Pope Francis defends infant baptism

[HTacianas]

Baptizing babies, Pope Francis defends practice of infant baptism

Baptizing babies, Pope Francis defends practice of infant baptism

 

[thecolorsblend]

Baptizing babies, Pope Francis defends practice of infant baptism

Baptizing babies, Pope Francis defends practice of infant baptism

Good on him!

 

[bbbbbbb]

Good on him!

That actually is a bit amusing to me because infant baptism, like priestly celibacy, is now so deeply ingrained in Catholic theology that there really is no practical rationale for defending it. If you are Catholic you naturally buy into these things as part and parcel of Catholic theology. If you are not Catholic it doesn't matter at all what a certain gentleman in Rome says about anything.

 

[Dan Perez]

That actually is a bit amusing to me because infant baptism, like priestly celibacy, is now so deeply ingrained in Catholic theology that there really is no practical rationale for defending it. If you are Catholic you naturally buy into these things as part and parcel of Catholic theology. If you are not Catholic it doesn't matter at all what a certain gentleman in Rome says about anything.

I see , that they NEVER have a verse , just as they have no verse for PURGATORY !!

dan p

 

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I see , that they NEVER have a verse , just as they have no verse for PURGATORY !!

dan p

Quite true.

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

In his homily, he told parents that “to baptize a child is an act of justice,” because through baptism “we give them a treasure, in baptism we give them a pledge: The Holy Spirit. The child leaves with the strength of the Holy Spirit inside, the Spirit which will defend them, help them, throughout their whole lives.”

“This is why it is so important to baptize them as children,” he said, “because they will grow with the strength of the Holy Spirit.” Pope Francis

To me Baptism created a being immortal and incorruptible from the Body and soul of failed mortal flesh and stained with sin soul of Adam and Eve. Baptism is to me, the introduction of the being into the Body of Christ to be transfigured by regeneration of the spirit in the soul to the sanctified state of Grace to allow the transfiguration from the Baptized immortal and corruptible Body of The Christ to be transfigured and glorified into the image of the Creator, the Father in Heaven.

To me, this is the logic of Baptism and the Communion.

The Cloud and the Sea is the blood and water that flowed from the Side of Christ. To me, Baptism and Communion in the fellowship of The Christ is to bring the being into the immortal and incorruptible Body into the Church of Christ. And then through reconfirmation of the Holy Spirit state of grace in the soul of the being the Spirit is regenerated for the Body to become transfigured into the image of the Creator, the Father in Heaven, by the Power of the Holy Spirit will of the Father, God.

And the Living Sacrifice is what restores sanctification to the soul of the being in the Body to transfigure, to become into the image of The Father, the Creator. To me this is the fulfillment of the eternal Love created by the flesh and soul of Adam and Eve. Adam’s only sin was he would give up his mortal eternal life to be with the Love of fallen Eve. And the “Gift” to US all is Jesus, in the Communion The Christ fulfills failed Love with eternal life of the Body and regenerated sanctified spirit in the soul of the being to immortal and incorruptible eternal life of the Body, spirit and flesh in the soul of the being all through the Power of the Holy Spirit will of God in the regenerated sanctified Holy Spirit in the Soul of the Being and becomming Transfigured gloriously in the Body of The Christ into the image of God, The Father.

To me, this is The "Gift."

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Dan Perez]

Peace to all,

In his homily, he told parents that “to baptize a child is an act of justice,” because through baptism “we give them a treasure, in baptism we give them a pledge: The Holy Spirit. The child leaves with the strength of the Holy Spirit inside, the Spirit which will defend them, help them, throughout their whole lives.”

“This is why it is so important to baptize them as children,” he said, “because they will grow with the strength of the Holy Spirit.” Pope Francis

To me Baptism created a being immortal and incorruptible from the Body and soul of failed mortal flesh and stained with sin soul of Adam and Eve. Baptism is to me, the introduction of the being into the Body of Christ to be transfigured by regeneration of the spirit in the soul to the sanctified state of Grace to allow the transfiguration from the Baptized immortal and corruptible Body of The Christ to be transfigured and glorified into the image of the Creator, the Father in Heaven.

To me, this is the logic of Baptism and the Communion.

The Cloud and the Sea is the blood and water that flowed from the Side of Christ. To me, Baptism and Communion in the fellowship of The Christ is to bring the being into the immortal and incorruptible Body into the Church of Christ. And then through reconfirmation of the Holy Spirit state of grace in the soul of the being the Spirit is regenerated for the Body to become transfigured into the image of the Creator, the Father in Heaven, by the Power of the Holy Spirit will of the Father, God.

And the Living Sacrifice is what restores sanctification to the soul of the being in the Body to transfigure, to become into the image of The Father, the Creator. To me this is the fulfillment of the eternal Love created by the flesh and soul of Adam and Eve. Adam’s only sin was he would give up his mortal eternal life to be with the Love of fallen Eve. And the “Gift” to US all is Jesus, in the Communion The Christ fulfills failed Love with eternal life of the Body and regenerated sanctified spirit in the soul of the being to immortal and incorruptible eternal life of the Body, spirit and flesh in the soul of the being all through the Power of the Holy Spirit will of God in the regenerated sanctified Holy Spirit in the Soul of the Being and becomming Transfigured gloriously in the Body of The Christ into the image of God, The Father.

To me, this is The "Gift."

Peace always,
Stephen

We are saved by what Paul wrote in Eph 2:8 and Rom 10: 9 and 10 and Paul wrote 14 epistles and NEVER taught water Baptism .

dan p

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

The logic to me, is that Pauls "Baptism" is the Pentecost to the Gentiles.

"Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"

Romans 6:3–5 (written by Paul)- Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection. To me this is the Logic of the Second Coming of The Christ. "An Empire for US all mankind to share becoming into His Divinity as Transfigured."

To me, Baptism and Communion, becoming into the New spirit and transfigured life through the Water and Fire of The Baptism, is the "Gift" of Transfiguration into becomming into the Body of Christ.

From the rain, comes a river running wild That will create an empire for you Illuminate There's a river running wild That will create an empire for you, an empire for two An empire for you, an empire for two. OMAM

The Soul, spirit and life.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Baptizing babies, Pope Francis defends practice of infant baptism

Baptizing babies, Pope Francis defends practice of infant baptism

One would certainly hope so!!!

 

[Dan Perez]

Peace to all,

The logic to me, is that Pauls "Baptism" is the Pentecost to the Gentiles.

"Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"

Romans 6:3–5 (written by Paul)- Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection. To me this is the Logic of the Second Coming of The Christ. "An Empire for US all mankind to share becoming into His Divinity as Transfigured."

To me, Baptism and Communion, becoming into the New spirit and transfigured life through the Water and Fire of The Baptism, is the "Gift" of Transfiguration into becomming into the Body of Christ.

From the rain, comes a river running wild That will create an empire for you Illuminate There's a river running wild That will create an empire for you, an empire for two An empire for you, an empire for two. OMAM

The Soul, spirit and life.

Peace always,
Stephen

And would like your thinking on Rom 6:3 ??

Or are you IGNORANT , that as many that were BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus were BAPTIZED into His DEATH ??

Notice that the Greek word WATER // HUDOR is not in the Greek text ??

Your thinking as to HOW we are BAPTIZED into a Christ who is Dead and then BAPTIZED into his DEATH ??

dan p

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

Some call the Sacrament of Baptism and Pennance Sacraments of the Dead to Life, in the resurrected Body through the spirit in the soul of the being.

Pauls Baptism was of the spirit, so said Peter, "who would not Baptize those Paul delivered the Divine Spirit'" in his pentecost to the Gentiles through his "Baptism" by fire to the gentiles.

Please advise if I have missed a teaching of Christ in faith and morals with respect to His teachings.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

To me, logic has more power and understanding than all of the finite disciplines of earth in understanding in logic The Divine Will. What must we do fro salvation? To me, the answer is in a nutshell following the pattern, the image of the "spirit" that answers, that manifests The Body from the question, "What would Jesus do in all cases of faith and morality?"

To me the logic flows from the Created Body. From Created mortal flesh and corrupt spirit we become dead in the old "flesh" as Baptized to life in the Flesh of the New Eve as transformed immortal and incorruptible and become glorified and transfigured becoming the Image of The Creator, God, The Father in the confirmed death of the old "spirit" in the soul of Our Christ, the "Baptized flesh and "Confirmed" spirit to the New Eve in the "spirit" in the soul of the being through penance and of the regenerated fellowship confirmed "Holy" Divine Spirit in Communion with God as united through the will the Creator, God, the Father as one in being together with the Father and The Son.

To me the logic is fulfilled, All through the wondrous mysteries of The Faith in The Body of Christ as fulfilled by the Word became flesh in all faith and morality.

To me, this is The Logic of the Holy Spirit.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Catholic all baptise infants, all have biblical reasons for so doing, and in truth infant baptism was accepted by every church until the anabaptists rejected the practise, in 1521 or a little later, because of their erroneous ecclesiology.

 

[Dan Perez]

Peace to all,

Some call the Sacrament of Baptism and Pennance Sacraments of the Dead to Life, in the resurrected Body through the spirit in the soul of the being.

Pauls Baptism was of the spirit, so said Peter, "who would not Baptize those Paul delivered the Divine Spirit'" in his pentecost to the Gentiles through his "Baptism" by fire to the gentiles.

Please advise if I have missed a teaching of Christ in faith and morals with respect to His teachings.

Peace always,
Stephen

After Peter died , in John 21:16-19 show that Peter died of old age .

# 2 I have yet to find to find a Greek word for SACRAMENT in the bible .

# 3 Can not find a Greek word for PURGATORY .

# 4 And SAUL / PAUL was baptized as written in Acts 9:18 and notice that the text , and having STOOD UP , he was BAPTIZED and the Greek text does not use WATER // HUDOR .

# 5 And I see you wrote " through his " BAPTISM " by FIRE // PUR , means Judgement .


# 6 And many believe that Paul did BAPTIZE , two in 1 Cor 1:14 , REALLY !!

# 7 And 1 Cor 1: 15 DEBUNCKS it too pieces .

dan p

 

[RileyG]

After Peter died , in John 21:16-19 show that Peter died of old age .

# 2 I have yet to find to find a Greek word for SACRAMENT in the bible .

# 3 Can not find a Greek word for PURGATORY .

# 4 And SAUL / PAUL was baptized as written in Acts 9:18 and notice that the text , and having STOOD UP , he was BAPTIZED and the Greek text does not use WATER // HUDOR .

# 5 And I see you wrote " through his " BAPTISM " by FIRE // PUR , means Judgement .


# 6 And many believe that Paul did BAPTIZE , two in 1 Cor 1:14 , REALLY !!

# 7 And 1 Cor 1: 15 DEBUNCKS it too pieces .

dan p

Just because those words aren’t in the Bible, doesn’t mean the Bible doesn’t support them.

You’re giving your own proof text.

 

[Dan Perez]

Just because those words aren’t in the Bible, doesn’t mean the Bible doesn’t support them.

You’re giving your own proof text.

What I wrote is written in the bible .

Be glad too see your proof text ?

dan p

 

[bbbbbbb]

What I wrote is written in the bible .

Be glad too see your proof text ?

dan p

The clever thing about Catholicism is that they do not require any proof text from the Bible for their beliefs. The Bible, as you know, is just a portion of their Holy Tradition. In many cases Holy Tradition trumps the Bible.

 

[KevinT]

Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Catholic all baptise infants, all have biblical reasons for so doing, and in truth infant baptism was accepted by every church until the anabaptists rejected the practise, in 1521 or a little later, because of their erroneous ecclesiology.

In times past, infant mortality was very high. So what was the answer to parents about the salvation state of the dead infant? If one teaches that baptism is necessary for salvation, then would an unbaptized baby that dies then be lost or committed to hell? It is my understanding that this was the drive for infant baptism in the past.

I would ask if that is still needed today? And if one is baptized as an infant, should then be baptized again once they reach the age of accountability?

KT

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

In times past, infant mortality was very high. So what was the answer to parents about the salvation state of the dead infant? If one teaches that baptism is necessary for salvation, then would an unbaptized baby that dies then be lost or committed to hell? It is my understanding that this was the drive for infant baptism in the past.

I would ask if that is still needed today? And if one is baptized as an infant, should then be baptized again once they reach the age of accountability?

KT

Infant circumcision and baptism are not reactions to infant mortality; instead, they signify God's will to incorporate believers and their offspring into the covenant.

 

[bbbbbbb]

In times past, infant mortality was very high. So what was the answer to parents about the salvation state of the dead infant? If one teaches that baptism is necessary for salvation, then would an unbaptized baby that dies then be lost or committed to hell? It is my understanding that this was the drive for infant baptism in the past.

I would ask if that is still needed today? And if one is baptized as an infant, should then be baptized again once they reach the age of accountability?

KT

The conundrum faced with infant baptism is that many such infants grow into thoroughly unbelieving adults. Thus, the grace conferred through the rite of baptism is only temporary, at best. Thus, another means of acquiring the grace of salvation is needed. Actually, more than just one other means. Thus, there is first communion and confirmation, both road posts on the way to possible salvation. Then there is an innumerable host of religious good works which are deemed essential if one is to hope for salvation. Salvation, in this system, is never certain and is always tied to the individual's efforts.