Here in these mountains of Virginia we were always taught to honor the Jewish people. We have a local butcher, brought up Pentecostal Holiness, who would prepare meat for the Jewish people and they were regulars.
I have an engineering friend who worked with me who had a Jewish stockbroker. When asked what to do with the many company shares he owned this stockbroker told them to sell every bit of it ASAP. Well, our company would go BK due to asbestos liability. Most of the salary folk lost a good bit of their retirement but the friend of mine who heeded his Jewish stockbroker is now happily retired and doing well.
It is of my perspective that the churches were seven and according to Revelation....
Ephesus - Messianic- Would begin with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Gentile - Would begin with the Apostle to the Uncircumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodox... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholic - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestant - A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Materialistic - Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?
In reading history there has been a lot of evil that has befallen the human race through these ages. If I may add, this has been this way all along. It is related in the Talmud that Rabbi Simeon ben Azzai found in Jerusalem an account wherein it was written that King Manasseh killed Isaiah by sawing him asunder with a wood saw. The people of Abel fall prey to the people of Cain, this had been this way since the beginning of time. And it is a sorrow to me that evil has happened to protect a church name.
It is an amazing thing for me to see the resurgence of the Messianic Jewish faith. I see this with great delight and wish all of you well.. As this is the church under Peter, and apart from Paul, gives them the right, imho, to declare themselves 'non-Pauline' if they wish. However as a gentile I embrace the teachings of the Apostle Paul.
I also believe that the end of time, as it was with Noah, is upon us. Josephus declares that Adam built two pillars, one of stone and other of brick. The one was suppose to have been destroyed by the flood, and the other yet remaining, is to be destroyed by the fire. The pillar to be destroyed by fire, as told by Josephus, yet remains in the land of Siriad to this day.
If I had to pick an end time date I would go with the scientist, Isaac Newton...
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton
As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes
"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
There is yet another event that is to happen and that is the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38...
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. - Ezekiel 38:8
It appears that God the Father, after 2,000 years of it, is finally getting weary of dealing with the church world and will take up interest in the land of Israel. It appears that a large ISIS like army is going to try to sack Israel in the last days. When this happens, in his own words...
And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face. - Ezekiel 38:18
And that this ISIS army is going to greatly incur the wrath of God the Father. I would say... That this is going to be to their great disadvantage as they will meet up with the greatest of adversaries!
So it appears that God will restore the Jewish people and the land of Israel. Who knows if after this time if Israel will not have her original borders, from Egypt to the Euphrates, restored to her? It seems that, especially with the resurgence of the Messianic faith, that God is already beginning this process and it should be exciting times for those of the Jewish and Messianic faith.
So... What is your take?
This is my perspective and I have the humility to admit that I may be wrong. I am not interested in debating here... I am interested in your perspective on Ezekiel 38, the restoration of Israel, and the end of time. I post this in the Jewish forum as I would expect the best of answers in return. And disagreements with my timelines are understandable.
I have an engineering friend who worked with me who had a Jewish stockbroker. When asked what to do with the many company shares he owned this stockbroker told them to sell every bit of it ASAP. Well, our company would go BK due to asbestos liability. Most of the salary folk lost a good bit of their retirement but the friend of mine who heeded his Jewish stockbroker is now happily retired and doing well.
It is of my perspective that the churches were seven and according to Revelation....
Ephesus - Messianic- Would begin with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Gentile - Would begin with the Apostle to the Uncircumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodox... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholic - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestant - A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Materialistic - Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?
In reading history there has been a lot of evil that has befallen the human race through these ages. If I may add, this has been this way all along. It is related in the Talmud that Rabbi Simeon ben Azzai found in Jerusalem an account wherein it was written that King Manasseh killed Isaiah by sawing him asunder with a wood saw. The people of Abel fall prey to the people of Cain, this had been this way since the beginning of time. And it is a sorrow to me that evil has happened to protect a church name.
It is an amazing thing for me to see the resurgence of the Messianic Jewish faith. I see this with great delight and wish all of you well.. As this is the church under Peter, and apart from Paul, gives them the right, imho, to declare themselves 'non-Pauline' if they wish. However as a gentile I embrace the teachings of the Apostle Paul.
I also believe that the end of time, as it was with Noah, is upon us. Josephus declares that Adam built two pillars, one of stone and other of brick. The one was suppose to have been destroyed by the flood, and the other yet remaining, is to be destroyed by the fire. The pillar to be destroyed by fire, as told by Josephus, yet remains in the land of Siriad to this day.
If I had to pick an end time date I would go with the scientist, Isaac Newton...
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton
As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes
"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
There is yet another event that is to happen and that is the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38...
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. - Ezekiel 38:8
It appears that God the Father, after 2,000 years of it, is finally getting weary of dealing with the church world and will take up interest in the land of Israel. It appears that a large ISIS like army is going to try to sack Israel in the last days. When this happens, in his own words...
And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face. - Ezekiel 38:18
And that this ISIS army is going to greatly incur the wrath of God the Father. I would say... That this is going to be to their great disadvantage as they will meet up with the greatest of adversaries!
So it appears that God will restore the Jewish people and the land of Israel. Who knows if after this time if Israel will not have her original borders, from Egypt to the Euphrates, restored to her? It seems that, especially with the resurgence of the Messianic faith, that God is already beginning this process and it should be exciting times for those of the Jewish and Messianic faith.
So... What is your take?
This is my perspective and I have the humility to admit that I may be wrong. I am not interested in debating here... I am interested in your perspective on Ezekiel 38, the restoration of Israel, and the end of time. I post this in the Jewish forum as I would expect the best of answers in return. And disagreements with my timelines are understandable.