SETI Receives Message from ET: How would you react?

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These things have nothing to do with "proof."
Proof text
a passage of Scripture used to prove a doctrine.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Proof+text

Acts 17: 11
International Standard Version
These people were more receptive than those in Thessalonica. They were very willing to receive the message, and every day they carefully examined the Scriptures to see if those things were so.




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Simple Definition of proof

1 : something which shows that something else is true or correct

2 : an act or process of showing that something is true

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof

John 10: 38
New Living Translation
But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me, and I am
 
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Since you identify as an atheist and atheists reject all notions of gods and a God, how any deity is identified to an atheist is really totally time-wasting and pointless. If it isn't pointless, then please tell me what is 'the point?
Atheists don't necessarily reject all notions of gods or a God, they just don't believe in them. But as I said, I was describing how the term is generally used in philosophical discussion, which is not necessarily dependent on what those involved believe, but is an exploration of the arguments. The point is whatever reason(s) you have for being involved in philosophical discussion.
 
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Atheists don't necessarily reject all notions of gods or a God, they just don't believe in them. But as I said, I was describing how the term is generally used in philosophical discussion, which is not necessarily dependent on what those involved believe, but is an exploration of the arguments. The point is whatever reason(s) you have for being involved in philosophical discussion.

Well, the reason I started this thread was because I am curious to know how religious people of different faiths would react to the news that contact with Extraterrestrials had been made.


It would include deists who believe that the Creator doesn't intervene in human affairs and has left mankind to his own devises.

Trinitarians and non Trinitarians.

The reason I chose to focus on the Christian concept is because I assumed that most religious people on this website are Christians and because I am more familiar with the general Christian theology than I am with the others and know the specific issue that is capable of throwing a wrench into the whole theological outlook if such an event were to occur.

In short, many would have to reconfigure the hierarchy of beings in order to include the newcomers.

God
His Son
Angels
Mankind

Or God
His Son
Angels
Mankind and Newcomers

Or do they place the newcomers above or below mankind in ranking?

Also, the chronology of creation would come into scrutiny.
When exactly were these creatures created?
Are they fallen or still blameless as our first parents were?
If sinless then they shouldn't be subject to death.
But if they die anyway-why are they dying?

Some might even accuse Satan as impersonating aliens in order to lead mankind astray. They propose it with the dinosaur fossils and have also suggested that the UFO sightings are of demonic origin. So a message from space might very well come under the same suspicion.

If indeed they are sinners, have they had their own Christ?

Others who feel that mankind is special might consider it an affront to that special relation which they claim to hold with the creator as his children. This would be especially true if the aliens are superior both morally and intellectually. Then unacceptable creator favoritism might be suspected.

In short, a whole can of theologically controversial worms might be opened if such an event transpired.

On the other hand there are always humans who don't give a hoot, giggle and might go with about their lives as if nothing had happened. That is unless the contact begins to affect their livelihood as it does in a short story I wrote where the whole fabric of society begins to unravel under the gratuitous barrage of irresistibly tempting gifts which make one crucial profession after the other become obsolete.

Yes, it was inspired by the film "To Serve Man"" and I called it ""The Givers".
 
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If NASA says jump, everyone will ask how high?

There is no other life outside of earth. There is only one creator and he created everything. Earth is his footstool.

And if NASA tells us that an ant can pull a plow,
Don't ask it how,
Hitch it up!

Mohammed Ali originally mentioned himself .
I used NASA instead.
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In any case, you are right! Whatever NASA tells us isn't 100% certain by default. After all, why should it be? It is composed of humans who are as limited in their perceptual abilities as any other human is. So the concept of NASA infallibility you mention really baffles me, specially since it is a well-known fact that many people suspect NASA of being involved in a cover-up conspiracies involving the crash of a UFO and concerning the real reason why NASA hasn't returned to the moon and has chosen to wallow in low Earth orbit for approx fifty years instead..

Flat Earthers also suspect NASA of hiding the true nature of the Earth by doctoring photos it has taken from orbit. So it seems that the total unquestioning trust in NASA you mention really doesn't seem to exist.

The reason many folks, both Christian and atheists choose to believe that life on other planets is possible are based on the following fact:

1. Meteor, Asteroid, and commentary impacts, such as the one that struck Siberia and the ones that struck Jupiter some recent years ago, hurl debris into out space and which reaches other planets. A meteor from Mars was found in Antarctica bearing what some believe are indisputable evidence of microscopic life.

So it is assumed that the same is true of things hurled into space when meteors asteroids or comets have impacted the Earth. It is referred to as Panspermia and is proposed as a viable way in which life from Earth has been transmitted to other regions of our solar system and perhaps far beyond.


Ballistic Panspermia Hypothesis
Ballistic panspermia, sometimes referred to as interplanetary panspermia, is a version of the panspermia hypothesis in which it is argued that impact-expelled rocks from a planet's surface serve as transfer vehicles for spreading biological material from one planet to another within the same solar system. It requires that the microorganisms survive (1) the impact ejection process from the planet of origin; (2) traveling through the solar system; (3) landing on a planet within the same solar system.

http://panspermia-theory.com/panspermia-theories/ballistic-panspermia


2. The universe is so vast that it seems as a waste of space, time and effort to create. After all, the solar system microscopic in relation to the rest of the visible universe and the visible universe itself is said to be as an atom is in relation to the Earth in comparison to the undetectable part of the universe .

So the idea that it was all meticulously created simply with no other function except to display power and impress humans seems a bit far- fetched.

3. The Genesis creation account is focused on our Earth because it was written specifically for humans who live here and who need to know how they arrived here and who is specifically responsible for placing them here and what their relationship is expected to be with that someone who placed them here. It's silence on any possible life created elsewhere is understandable since such a serious-off-topic diversion would have been distracting and totally irrelevant to the Genesis account's purpose.
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However, from an atheist viewpoint that depends on abiogenesis and subsequent biological evolution whereas from the Christian or deist viewpoint it depends on the will of a Creator.
 
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Some speculate that such a message regardless of its nature would turn religion on its head. That many Christians would be devastated by it because of its implications.
I personally would have absolutely no problems with it. Would like to hear your opinions.

When most of the church people disappeared from the town suddenly all together, how would you react?

Do you see the problem of your question in the OP?
 
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When most of the church people disappeared from the town suddenly all together, how would you react?

Do you see the problem of your question in the OP?


What is the problem?
 
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You can assume anything and ask: how would you respond?
For example, IF God exists, what would be your response?
Bad question, isn't it?
No. Its a fine question: how do you think you'd react to X situation?

Of course, you never really know til you're actually in it. But its interesting to imagine.
 
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You can assume anything and ask: how would you respond?
For example, IF God exists, what would be your response?
Bad question, isn't it?

Not a bad question at all.
Why is it a bad question?

Assume anything?
Isn't that what the imagination is for? Assuming hypothetical situations and imagining the complications they might engender from different people? Your premise seems a bit odd.

BTW
With that opinion you will never be a sci fi or fantasy writer since it requires the constant use of the imagination to generate hypotheticals to get your story started.

In any case, if indeed you find this thread stupid, or uninteresting, or cant find anything to add to it because of inability to use your imagination, then why not simply contribute at a thread that interests you instead nebulously pointing out that you aren't interested for no specific reason in this one? That would avoid time wastage.
 
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Not a bad question at all.
Why is it a bad question?

Assume anything?
Isn't that what the imagination is for? Assuming hypothetical situations and imagining the complications they might engender from different people? Your premise seems a bit odd.

It is not MY imagination.
It is one of YOUR imagination.
To me, it is an imagined TRAP, and it has a unsurpassable limitation.

Example:

To you, there is no God.
I set up a trap and it has God in it, then I invite you to imagine in the trap.
That is what the OP is.
 
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It is not MY imagination.
It is one of YOUR imagination.
To me, it is an imagined TRAP, and it has a unsurpassable limitation.

Example:

To you, there is no God.
I set up a trap and it has God in it, then I invite you to imagine in the trap.
That is what the OP is.

A trap? I don't need to set traps on this website in order to discuss issues.
If I want to discuss any particular issue I would simply post a thread discussing the issue. You are perceiving rhetorical traps where no trap is intended.

BTW
Trap you into what and for what purpose?

LOL!

I fail to see it!

The thread title doesn't mention a god, God, gods, goddesses.
I assumed NOTHING about how the people who would react.
You are assuming that I assumed.
If indeed an atheist responded to the thread that would have been OK
If an agnostic? That would be OK.
If a theist? OK as well.
I was just interested in reactions.
However, I am particularly interested in reactions from folks who imagined that mankind is the only one which their deity has chosen as in his image. So if the discussion drifted in that direction it was perhaps because those who responded most were of that ilk?
 
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Example:

To you, there is no God.
I set up a trap and it has God in it, then I invite you to imagine in the trap.
That is what the OP is.
Could you set up a hypothetical for him that has God in it, yet is NOT a trap (i.e. deceptive in some way)?

Of course you could!
So why this issue of the "trap"?
 
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A trap? I don't need to set traps on this website in order to discuss issues.
If I want to discuss any particular issue I would simply post a thread discussing the issue. You are perceiving rhetorical traps where no trap is intended.

BTW
Trap you into what and for what purpose?

You set up a limitation and force everyone to talk within that limitation. That is a trap.
I am not sure what the purpose is. It does not need to have a purpose.
 
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Could you set up a hypothetical for him that has God in it, yet is NOT a trap (i.e. deceptive in some way)?

If X, then what would you do?

The X in this case is NOT a hypothesis, it is a confining condition.
 
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You set up a limitation and force everyone to talk within that limitation. That is a trap.
I am not sure what the purpose is. It does not need to have a purpose.
Well, if you want to see thread titles as traps because they involve parameters be my guest. After all you do have an indisputable a right to perceive them as you wish.
 
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Some speculate that such a message regardless of its nature would turn religion on its head. That many Christians would be devastated by it because of its implications.
I personally would have absolutely no problems with it. Would like to hear your opinions.
Only the erroneous assumptions of religious speculation that has become part of various doctrines.
 
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