WHO IS BABYLON/HARLOT IN REVELATION?

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Physical Israel = Spiritual Israel = The Christian Chruch. There are two women in scripture.
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Physical National Israel in the middle east, they aren't God's chosen, this physical national Israel is mystery babylon the great, mother of garlots
 
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Do you know what a harlot is?
Ezekiel 16:15-16KJV
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
 
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Spiritual Israel, not physical Israel.

Physical Israel = Spiritual Israel = The Christian Chruch. There are two women in scripture.

Why are God's people there where they must be called out? They have to actually be told to come out, they can't see it already that they shouldn't be there. They don't know what to see. God hates the destructiveness to the earth. They shouldn't even be involved with any of that. Real repentance should lead to coming out from all that, with the materialism, exploitation, corruption, with worldliness that effects compromises among those who would be God's people. They must be told, they won't just see and get out and away from it themselves. Those leading them won't tell them.

This isn't about Israel. The fall of Mystery Babylon is coming and signs are around, it doesn't have to be far off. God's people shouldn't be there at all.
 
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I have pondered this for a while and came up with a rather unconventional possibility. Could Babylon be Los Angelas, due to Hollywood? Living overseas for a period of time made me realize how our movies and television shows seem to reach every country worldwide. As such, think about how Hollywood can steer culture, and such steering is not generally for the better. Also, what country is richer than the US and specifically the area around Hollywood?
 
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Why are God's people there where they must be called out? They have to actually be told to come out, they can't see it already that they shouldn't be there. They don't know what to see. God hates the destructiveness to the earth. They shouldn't even be involved with any of that. Real repentance should lead to coming out from all that, with the materialism, exploitation, corruption, with worldliness that effects compromises among those who would be God's people. They must be told, they won't just see and get out and away from it themselves. Those leading them won't tell them.

This isn't about Israel. The fall of Mystery Babylon is coming and signs are around, it doesn't have to be far off. God's people shouldn't be there at all.
In near future ANOTHER Beast will rise up of the earth-Revelation 13:11-(earth here is Israel, the clay, the dry land, and the FIRST Beast rose up out of sea-it means peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues-of all tongues).
With the appearance or manifestation of the Man Beast of earth (Israel), then there will be two powerful Beasts reigning in the Planet Earth.
What I see is that one of the seven heads of the first Beast, Beast of sea, will be wounded to death henceforwards-Revelation 13:v.3. In my vision, the wounded head by the Sword (a sharp Sword) is/will be South America, much strongly Brazil. The other six heads will be astonished/ impressed with the surprising event.

Because of this surprising and mortal religious event, will rise of the earth the Beast like lamb, speaking as dragon, doing great signs and wonders, he will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism will acclaim the Beast like a lamb as their messiah, in fact he is an IMPOSTER, a false messiah-John 5:43-47- and they will enthroned him in Jerusalem, temple of GOD. Then the Beast like a lamb, a false lamb,a false messiah-Revelation 13:11, the dragon, will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. 2Thes.2:v.9

And the false messiah of the Jews, as is described above, will try to heal the deadly wound of the Beast of sea, then he will give his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority to the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.2- and the deadly wound will be healed: and all the WORLD-Europe, and Asia, Africa, and Oceania(Australia), and the three America, will stay wondered after the Beast. And they -the WORLD- will worship the dragon-the false messiah-which will give his Power, and his Throne (in Jerusalem), and great Authority unto the Beast of sea-the Pope-: and they-the WORLD- will worshipp the Beast, saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make war with him?<-Revelation 13:v.4.

And there will be given unto him -unto the Beast of sea- a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. -1,260 days - Revelation 13:5 combined with Revelation 11:1-2-check it out - . By the way, these 42 months are the FIRST HALF of the last week Daniel 70th.
v.6 And he opened (will open)his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8).
v.7 And will be given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power is given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
v.8 And all that dwell upon the earth (EARTH IS ISRAEL,not the Planet) shall worship him(even the Jews will worship the Pope under the command of false messiah enthroned in Israel-John 5:v.43 to 47), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world-JESUS.
v.9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Be careful and get ready


Romans 2:14-16 and 12 and 5-11

14For when the Gentiles, which HAVE NOT THE LAW, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, HAVING NOT THE LAW, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another .

16In the Day (this Day arrived, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) when GOD shall Judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ (the Judgment Seat of Christ) according to my gospel.

Get ready

12For as many as have sinned WITHOUT LAW(the Gentiles)shall also PERISH WITHOUT LAW: and as many as have sinned in the LAW(the Jews) shall be JUDGED by the LAW;

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself WRATH against the Day of WRATH and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;(This Day arrived, the seventh and last Day)

6 Who will render to EVERY MAN according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, INDIGNATION AND WRATH,

(What is written in the verses 7 and 8 above will be LITERALLY fulfilled from now on. The Word is GOD, GOD HIMSELF, self-executing,understand?)

9TRIBULATION and ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL of man that doeth evil,of the JEW first,and also of the GENTILE
;( Isaiah 26:20-21->20 Come,my people,enter thou into thy chambers,and shut thy doors about thee:HIDE THYSELF as it were for a little moment(the last week-week 70th- Daniel 9:27),until the INDIGNATION be overpast. 21 For,behold, the LORD cometh out of His place to PUNISH the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity( Matthew 24:10-13): the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain)

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the JEW first, and also to the GENTILE;

11For there is no respect of persons with GOD.

Get ready
 
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In near future ANOTHER Beast will rise up of the earth-Revelation 13:11-(earth here is Israel, the clay, the dry land, and the FIRST Beast rose up out of sea-it means peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues-of all tongues).
With the appearance or manifestation of the Man Beast of earth (Israel), then there will be two powerful Beasts reigning in the Planet Earth.
What I see is that one of the seven heads of the first Beast, Beast of sea, will be wounded to death henceforwards-Revelation 13:v.3. In my vision, the wounded head by the Sword (a sharp Sword) is/will be South America, much strongly Brazil. The other six heads will be astonished/ impressed with the surprising event.

Because of this surprising and mortal religious event, will rise of the earth the Beast like lamb, speaking as dragon, doing great signs and wonders, he will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism will acclaim the Beast like a lamb as their messiah, in fact he is an IMPOSTER, a false messiah-John 5:43-47- and they will enthroned him in Jerusalem, temple of GOD. Then the Beast like a lamb, a false lamb,a false messiah-Revelation 13:11, the dragon, will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. 2Thes.2:v.9

And the false messiah of the Jews, as is described above, will try to heal the deadly wound of the Beast of sea, then he will give his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority to the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.2- and the deadly wound will be healed: and all the WORLD-Europe, and Asia, Africa, and Oceania(Australia), and the three America, will stay wondered after the Beast. And they -the WORLD- will worship the dragon-the false messiah-which will give his Power, and his Throne (in Jerusalem), and great Authority unto the Beast of sea-the Pope-: and they-the WORLD- will worshipp the Beast, saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make war with him?<-Revelation 13:v.4.

And there will be given unto him -unto the Beast of sea- a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. -1,260 days - Revelation 13:5 combined with Revelation 11:1-2-check it out - . By the way, these 42 months are the FIRST HALF of the last week Daniel 70th.
v.6 And he opened (will open)his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8).
v.7 And will be given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power is given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
v.8 And all that dwell upon the earth (EARTH IS ISRAEL,not the Planet) shall worship him(even the Jews will worship the Pope under the command of false messiah enthroned in Israel-John 5:v.43 to 47), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world-JESUS.
v.9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Be careful and get ready


Romans 2:14-16 and 12 and 5-11

14For when the Gentiles, which HAVE NOT THE LAW, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, HAVING NOT THE LAW, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another .

16In the Day (this Day arrived, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) when GOD shall Judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ (the Judgment Seat of Christ) according to my gospel.

Get ready

12For as many as have sinned WITHOUT LAW(the Gentiles)shall also PERISH WITHOUT LAW: and as many as have sinned in the LAW(the Jews) shall be JUDGED by the LAW;

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself WRATH against the Day of WRATH and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;(This Day arrived, the seventh and last Day)

6 Who will render to EVERY MAN according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, INDIGNATION AND WRATH,

(What is written in the verses 7 and 8 above will be LITERALLY fulfilled from now on. The Word is GOD, GOD HIMSELF, self-executing,understand?)

9TRIBULATION and ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL of man that doeth evil,of the JEW first,and also of the GENTILE
;( Isaiah 26:20-21->20 Come,my people,enter thou into thy chambers,and shut thy doors about thee:HIDE THYSELF as it were for a little moment(the last week-week 70th- Daniel 9:27),until the INDIGNATION be overpast. 21 For,behold, the LORD cometh out of His place to PUNISH the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity( Matthew 24:10-13): the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain)

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the JEW first, and also to the GENTILE;

11For there is no respect of persons with GOD.

Get ready

Yes. All the coming events of prophecy in the Scriptures will happen. Some are to happen later than others, some may happen much later. The fall of Mystery Babylon would happen sooner. So it is there would be great following after one, who is a great beast in prophecy, who would give promise to rebuild civilization, while that attempt would be in godlessness, like there could be no such great following otherwise. Believers of this coming time must beware of following anyone with such tempting promise. We should only look forward to what God promises to provide, not made by mere human hands. But the interpretations are personal ones. There isn't legitimate basis to have claim of those being the right ones.
 
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Yes. All the coming events of prophecy in the Scriptures will happen. Some are to happen later than others, some may happen much later. The fall of Mystery Babylon would happen sooner.
Yes, each event will happen in the time foreseen by our GOD, for GOD is Omniscient and predicted how everything would happen in the world of men dominated by the Evil One, and left everything in writing, a lamp for our feet and a light for our path. My Bible has 889 pages in the Old Testament and 299 in the New Testament, 1188 pages so that we can walk according to His will as expressed in the Bible, the Word of GOD. Praised be GOD.

So it is there would be great following after one, who is a great beast in prophecy, who would give promise to rebuild civilization, while that attempt would be in godlessness, like there could be no such great following otherwise. Believers of this coming time must beware of following anyone with such tempting promise.
As you know, Great Beast will manifest himself as a lamb with two horns, a false lamb, a false and esoteric and kabbalistic Messiah-John 5:43-47, AN IMPOSTER, and this great MAN Beast speaks as dragon-Revelation 13:11, and he shall make great signs, great wonders of lie, and will deceive them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he has power to do in the sight of the FIRST Beast, the so old Gentile Beast of sea. Then there will be two terrible MAN Beasts on the Earth, one Gentile Beast with headquarter in Rome, another a Jewish Beast in the holy city -Jerusalem- , spiritually called Sodom and Egypt-Revelation 11:8.

Get ready, there will be a spiritual and terrible WAR from now on-Revelation 16:13-15.The wicked nations will be wrathed because from now on will be ONLY and ONLY terrible punishments, Tribulation and Anguish upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile, Romans 2:9, combined with Matthew 24:21-22, and Revelation 11:18. Get ready
We should only look forward to what God promises to provide, not made by mere human hands. But the interpretations are personal ones. There isn't legitimate basis to have claim of those being the right ones.
Philippians 3:20-21
20 For our conversation is in heaven(Ephesians 1:3-8); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

1John 5:7-There are three that bear record(testify) in heaven (heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8), the Father, the Word, and the(person) of Holy Spirit:and these three are One. Remember: Re.19:10...the testimony of JESUS is the spirit of prophecy. Romans 8:8-if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,he is none of his.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
 
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That's what I do, I speak for getting ready. It isn't assuming we should leave everything to God and make no changes ourselves. We have responsibilities and things to do, and God calls for changes, if we are alert and watch for everything God tells us, for there to be change with our involvement, and there should be no barriers from us left up in the way of that.
 
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Isaiah 24:7-13
The inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left. The new wine mourns. The vine languishes. All the merry-hearted sigh. The mirth of tambourines ceases. The sound of those who rejoice ends. The joy of the harp ceases. They will not drink wine with a song. Strong drink will be bitter to those who drink it. The confused city is broken down. Every house is shut up, that no man may come in. There is a crying in the streets because of the wine. All joy is darkened. The mirth of the land is gone. The city is left in desolation, and the gate is struck with destruction. For it will be so within the earth among the peoples, as the shaking of an olive tree, as the gleanings when the vintage is done.

Revelation 18:14-19
The merchants of these things, who were made rich by her, will stand far away for the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, she who was dressed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls! For in an hour such great riches are made desolate.’ Every ship master, and everyone who sails anywhere, and mariners, and as many as gain their living by sea, stood far away, and cried out as they looked at the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like the great city?’ They cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had their ships in the sea were made rich by reason of her great wealth!’ For she is made desolate in one hour.
 
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Isaiah 24:7-13
The inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left. The new wine mourns. The vine languishes. All the merry-hearted sigh. The mirth of tambourines ceases. The sound of those who rejoice ends. The joy of the harp ceases. They will not drink wine with a song. Strong drink will be bitter to those who drink it. The confused city is broken down. Every house is shut up, that no man may come in. There is a crying in the streets because of the wine. All joy is darkened. The mirth of the land is gone. The city is left in desolation, and the gate is struck with destruction. For it will be so within the earth among the peoples, as the shaking of an olive tree, as the gleanings when the vintage is done.

Revelation 18:14-19
The merchants of these things, who were made rich by her, will stand far away for the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, she who was dressed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls! For in an hour such great riches are made desolate.’ Every ship master, and everyone who sails anywhere, and mariners, and as many as gain their living by sea, stood far away, and cried out as they looked at the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like the great city?’ They cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had their ships in the sea were made rich by reason of her great wealth!’ For she is made desolate in one hour.
Those of us a bit older recall that our major coastal cities are supposed to be under water according to global warming "experts."
 
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Human civilisation as we know it may have already entered its last decades, a worrying new report examining the likely future of our planet’s habitability warns.
The increasingly disastrous impacts of the climate crisis, coupled with inaction to tackle it are sending our planet down a bleak path towards an increasingly chaotic world which could overwhelm societies around the globe, the report’s authors contend.

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Are you LDS?
 
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Are you LDS?
No, I'm not, I never would be.

What is the point or meaning of being a member of the false Christianity developed by the father of lie? Yeah, what is point, is there any sense in this? The false Christians were swallowed by the Serpent, now called red Dragon, most of them from birth, don't you know? whose body or church, has seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his (7) heads, and his tail (TAIL? Isaiah 9:15:16, take a look) drew the third part of the stars(STARS?Daniel 12:3) of heaven (HEAVEN? Ephesians 1:3-8).

By the Word of GOD all can see, and understand, that the red Dragon swallowed the Universal structures of the Beast of sea(Revelation 13:1) as a whole, the Papacy and the RCC were swallowed by the red Dragon.
In the other hand, the evangelical sects, and dead evangelical churches, ruled by angels which have a name that LIVES AND ARE DEAD, or they are neither cold nor hot: I would they were cold or hot, so then because they are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, and they say are rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that they are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked(THE TAIL OF RED DRAGON) because were deceived by the old Serpent, the sentence is: they will be cast into outer darkness.

Terrible, very terrible. The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy;having their conscience seared with a hot iron-1 Ti.4:1-2.

1Corinthians 3:11-13:
11 Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is JESUS Christ.
12 If any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day (the Lord's Day) shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
 
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I am all about us knowing to be ready, and communicate for other believers to know. What is there to do when God wants us to come out? So we have to be responsive, for that we need to be ready and prepared, or we have no way to be getting out. But already we should not be there where we are not supposed to be. We can look for what God designed for us and it is showing.
 
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I arrived to a different conclusion entirely.

The city that the 2 witnesses lay dead in the street of, "where their Lord was crucified," may not be the same as the Harlot city. It is called Sodom. Gut feeling tells me Tel Aviv. Been there. Its like a Sodom. Which is shocking to see in a Jewish nation.

The Beast from the Earth kingdom is Israel. If the sea represents the gentile nations, then the earth would represent the land of Israel. The 2 horns represent 2 powers united, which I suspect represents the Arabs and the Jews. The False Prophet will allow the Jews to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, and then betray them once its built to use it for his own dark purposes, erect the Image of the Beast therein, and force everyone to receive the electronic tattoo of the blazing sun (666 is the "grand number of the sun"). And if the Beast from the Earth kingdom is Israel, then the Harlot of Revelation must be something else.

The harlot rides on the Beast from the Sea. The Beast from the Sea comes out of the gentile nations and represents a conglomerate of the 4 beasts in Daniel. It is that One World Order coming soon to a city near you. The head with the fatal wound is Rome. And if the head with the fatal wound is Rome, then the Harlot must be something else.

"Come out of her my people" indicates that there is a large presence of Jews and/or Christians. This rules out Mecca, because you can't enter the city unless you are a Muslim.

The ship captains wailing indicate that it is a port city. This rules out many cities, including Jerusalem and Rome.

It is a great city, an importer of all kinds of goods. And the last one listed is heavy. It would be a center for human trafficking.
It was a city that used to know God, but will apostatize and war against God.

What if the enemy... is us?


 

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