-What did we supposedly learn by that judgment?
The lesson, for those who have ears to hear, is that there are well-known ministries out there, the ones participating in this debacle, claiming to be apostles and prophets of the highest calling who are leading the sheep astray and the sheep are not to follow them or listen to them.
It doesn't sound like we're in the Spirit filled section at all. You mention having ears to hear, and then you go on and blast your brothers and sisters like they were not. Like they were or are not employed by the Father. You would have us dismiss them entirely (at least most of them) for being involved in something the enemy turned awry. It is the enemy who would like that very thing to be done because most if not all of those names are anointed ministers and servants of God. An extremely dangerous undertaking on your part. You deny their calling as empty claims and use the part where the enemy came in to justify your claim. I urge you to repent immediately.
God put them all on display for everyone to see. I'm talking about John Arnott, Rick Joyner, Patricia King, Todd Bentley, C Peter Wagner, Stacey Campbell, Wendy Alec, Paul Cain, Bob Jones, Bill Johnson, and Dutch Sheets
Rick's visions and dreams, culminating in his books are so deep it would take someone a long time to make them up. They are so anointed, they have changed my view of evangelical Christians entirely. Although anyone can make mistakes, or be put in a position where someone you stood behind was turned aside by the enemy, Rick has a great deal of wisdom. Although when I first repented from my long backsliding, I heard his and Todd's name and wanted to keep them at arm's length. I've had enough controversy in my life. The Lord led me to Rick's books and everything I was led to really spoke to me. The Lord taught me that you can't dismiss ministries because of mistakes. The enemy wants the church at large to do the same thing because what God showed Rick is helpful to the entire Body of Christ. We have to treat people the way we want to be treated. We will reap what we sow. It's guaranteed, so I encourage you to reconsider.
I have yet to hear more than a couple of minutes of Todd, but I strongly discourage anyone from takiing potshots at anyone in the body. If you choose not to listen to him, that is your choice.
I attended a wonderful bit of ministry in a small country church and was very renewed and spiritually sharp. (I encourage anyone who wants to judge something well to get your "best" spiritual condition and listen without distraction.) I listened to some stuff of Bob Jones that was VERY anointed. Ana Rountree wrote his biography and her books and walk are so close I felt like an unbeliever by comparison. God takes her up to Heaven (like a little child) and it's only "natural" two anointed ministers of that caliber would interact.
Patricia King has a very good ministry and God has raised her up and anointed her as well. I may not agree with every point of doctrine that anyone has, but I can recognize the anointing. The fact that you can dismiss a group like this is very telling, especially when you lump a very real move of God, combined with the enemy at the end, and come up with a bottom line from the pit. There's just no other way to describe it.
This is the very kind of assessments groups like some of the "Bereans" have, no relation to the ones in the Bible. They have a strong salvation ministry, but know very little about the move of the Holy Spirit. They have their ministers who readily pass judgment on what they do not understand.
...prophesied all these grandiose endorsements on Lakeland and Todd, in particular, and all of it was proven false, all of it.
The thing is, God can say wonderful things about your life and if you don't walk circumspectly, you too can be turned aside. The prophetic words would have been real. I've had some of my own that were very anointed, and the enemy caused some measure of destruction. So when they don't come to pass, who is at fault? When God prophesies, He declares His intent. It is with the understanding (in personal prophecy) that you will be faithful. So if they're "words" fall to the ground, and the enemy is responsible, it does not invalidate the prophecy or the prophet.
First, the leaders who have abandoned sound teaching and practice and instead resorted to hype, deception, false prophetic words and false teachings. These self-proclaimed apostles and prophets were wrong and all the world saw it. God allowed them, in their arrogance, to embarrass themselves.
You're way too general. This sort of slander does escape the attention of Heaven. If you have a specific point to make, compared with scripture, you might present that, but if you can't do that with the intent of shining the light instead being of a work of darkness, don't do it at all.
First of all, no one's doctrine is perfect. If you're offended by some point of doctrine, you may or may not even be correct. If you were, that only makes you true on that individual case. You cannot invalidate a ministry, whether they are apostles or prophets or whoever. It is not arrogant to state this if that is what you are.
You must realize if a bunch of people prophesy (the enemy sees a real anointing) and declares the plan of God, that very thing will become a target. Any success by the devil does not invalidate the work of God. Only the devil says this. That is his evil report. I strongly consider that you reconsider your position.
If Todd or someone else made a doctrinal error, then just call it that (assuming that is true) and don't judge the minister. That is unrighteous. That is your brother (presumably). What if we lined up your mother, father, sisters, etc. and dismissed them for their mistakes. What if you were treated the same way? If someone did that to my immediate family, I would be enraged, and since we're created in the image and likeness of God, I would think that He wouldn't dig it either. It's almost Christmas. I hope that you celebrate with a spotless robe and not with the mess you're espousing. I'm not flaming you brother, I sincerely don't want you to reap what you're sowing.
Second, the crowds who flock to the meeting seeking after signs and wonders instead of the Lord Himself.
People seek signs and wonders from the Lord (the only One who can do them within the love walk we're in). That's pretty presumptuous to declare the intent of their heart in this way. The church should expect signs and wonders. It was what the woman with the issue of blood heard, that made her seek the Lord as she did. It's the same way today. You flock to where the anointing is. Some places ARE open heavens where God sets up His own strongholds.
The judgment of the Lord is against this movement. Those who continue to chase after signs, need to repent and seek the Lord in spirit and in truth.
The so called "movement" is alive and well because revival is ALWAYS God's will. The judgment of the Lord is against sin, so we don't want to take part in that on either end. There's no room for adultery in the ministry, and there is no room for dissing the servants of God either. That's the devil's stock in trade. That's what the world does (the enemy within).
As for healing, yes the Lord does heal, but anyone who's participated in meetings like this knows that many who believe they are healed in the meeting, get home only to discover that their healing never occurred.
The enemy will contest your healing. He steals a lot of them. Some healings take time, but the anointing will accelerate the recovery greatly. If the devil comes in and gets you to agree with his lying symptom, the healing is stolen. Many times it is just like the parable of the sower. You agree and receive with rejoicing, but if the heart is not right, you have problems.
So what am I criticizing Lakeland for? That they announced and hyped healings that never occurred.
How do you know? Why do you care? Again, the enemy does this.Who's to say who was healed? Who's to say who got healed and then it was stolen? A number maybe wanted to be healed and just declared it in hope as many do. God will sort them out. He's not looking for someone to make those accusations. Just because we don't get the media to validate the move of God does not mean it did not occur. Surely you know this.
Todd compares himself to Wigglesworth, but Wigglesworth only did that once or twice and the person testified that they were actually healed.
If he did move strongly in the gift of faith, in this respect, that would be true.
If you get your eye off of ministries and back on the Lord, and not criticize His servants, you'll be happier and not draw judgment on yourself for speaking unadvisedly.
