Thoughts on the danger of trusting in riches

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It is not required which I only taught to be safe to give most of your money to charity that you dont need for running business for your needs if it is not possible you need only to seek to do what is possible but should seek to do because you may die when you are not seeking to and if you were truly seeking you would be doing what is possible and if you dont die it would be done but one only needs to do what is possible if you die before.

I'm no rocket scientist but I have absolutely no idea what you just said there. Reword it in layman's terms? Dummy terms?
 
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I was not replying to you. I was just teaching. I was showing that as scripture says the rich has to be rich in good works to lay hold of eternal life it is safest they seek to give most of their money to the poor that which they dont need for a business to support themselves and for their needs to be ready but since it is not possible for all to do so in time and the bible says any one can be saved I believe it is only required to seek to do what is possible and should not delay as you may die when not seeking to.
 
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I was not replying to you. I was just teaching.

Yup, I knew you're just sharing your thoughts and not quoting me. But your original wording I found very confusing.

I was showing that as scripture says the rich has to be rich in good works to lay hold of eternal life it is safest they seek to give most of their money to the poor that which they dont need for a business to support themselves and for their needs to be ready but since it is not possible for all to do so in time and the bible says any one can be saved I believe it is only required to seek to do what is possible and should not delay as you may die when not seeking to.

Better.

I suppose the question is, are we really trying our best or just trying to find excuses?

Have we exhausted all possibilities or gave up on the solution?

But if you're poor yourself, you don't need to make more money just so you can give to the poor.
 
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Thankyou for your caring reply but I dont believe anymore such is required to ever be saved but to be saved on death for I believe if anyone is attacked for being christian and he dies he will be saved when it is not even possible to give much of your money away. Likewise dying in plane crash. I believe bible supports working to give to needy but not need to be rich that it can be a temptation but I suppose seeking riches is not to blame if your soul prospers just not to love money so you will do anything to get it but should be content if you dont get Paul means if God does not give if He thinks one is not ready so you should not do evil to get it and such riches you must not let as distraction to serving God.
 
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I changed my mind that I think should teach rich should seek to be rich in good works but if not possible seeking is enough but if one was seeking and one did not die it would be done so should be seeking to do otherwise if you dont you may die when not seeking and if you dont it will be done.Though I thought works are not important because you can not always do because you can be killed we should take that God will take as exception as He allowed one to be killed for preaching which was a command or being christian but works are expected when there is opportunity and that you have to seek to do good while preaching that faith is never alone for those who are genuinely christian that God did not allow one to die so should do otherwise we should assume He will give chance in the world to come and those who are rich should be rich in good works but if they can not do work God accepts that only must seek to do but should seek to do as may not have opportunity to call to christ to seek to do that can die when not seeking to do and if one did not die it would be done but if one did die before can be saved.
 
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I said this verse translated as below in a page supporting ministry of derek prince and commented below

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Hebrews 13:5
Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Love of money does not mean wrong to want enough money to supply your needs now and for future but the term used is covetousness to not be satisfied unless you have as much as another just because you hate another to be jealous which you dont need and not wrong to want to help others but must not be pursued instead of to neglect relationship with God to seek first the kingdom that you are giving enough time to following God during the day at the same time while you work.

For the saying you can not serve God and mammon does not mean you cant seek mammon but not serve it to put it first so it is master that you should be serving God first that that is the meaning that while you are serving God you are not serving mammon and if you put that first you are not servant of mammon and should be content with what you have now even if seek for more and not to be motivated by jealousy which is tied to hate.

To not worry about tommorow means not to worry about what may happen to what you have now that you dont be charitable because you fear you will not have enough for tommorow and maybe that you work more than you need to for fear of not having enough even if you have enough now for today and future.
 
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The bible says how hard it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. The rich are responsible for the poor that is what scripture says make friends of unrighteous mammon that when you fail they may receive you into an everlasting home.The bible commands them to be rich in good works that they may lay hold on eternal life. The church should be where the poor seek help and where many do one should be helping those part of church according to their needs and also distributing money to charities online.Every church should be required by law to use its funds for the poor. And then though I dont know if that is the meaning of the parable of the talents if one failed to give to give to many can then give to church if trustworthy to give to many poor. Though any can be saved as bible says with God all things are possible if it is not possible to give but to call on the Lord but right now one should be seeking to do works and if one does not die one would do because you can die while not seeking to do.
 
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I am saving the below I saw shared online saying claiming to serve Jesus but chasing after money didnt work out for judas not because I am sure to agree to work to give to poor is wrong but I am going to try to focus not on making more than I need to test it until it is maybe exposed as selfish not working for others too.

My mum says laying up treasure on earth means only if you live to do that only so that there is no room that it replaces your relationship with God and seeking to please Him by your life.


"Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein."- John 12:4-6 KJV


"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."- Matthew 6:19-21 KJV


"If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God." - Colossians 3:1-3 KJV
 
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"Christianity is a religion of asceticism: If anyone loves the world he is not of the Father. It is a religion which says: No one can serve two masters: God and money, or God and the world"
Pope Shenouda

The bible says we can not serve God and mammon and not to lay up treasure on earth but says having food and clothing we shall be content and implies in clothing all other needs met such as medical but it may be if you want to be saved it may be to be safe you should not have extra money that it is only for the rich to give to poor but everyone should just be content with food and clothing as Paul says. I shall follow this until I know better. It is only necessary to live such from now on even if you cant sell all and doing what you can if you are rich to be rich in good works with your possesions but since you may die still laying up much treasure should find a charity that helps support all people in need but if you cant and just call on the Lord you can be saved but you have to seek to do what is possible so if you die while seeking you are saved and if you dont die it will be done to atleast deposit to bankers if you havent already helped enough people and you may not get chance to so should do now. Also bible says not to worry about tommorow meaning if you have enough for your needs now do not worry about tommorow meaning God will supply either through others or to give work.
 
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I believe actually is not wrong to be rich as Abraham and Job was but it must not replace that you have relationship with God but you must give tithe as they did thereby making friends of unrighteous mammon as is not wrong to store for future. For one may want to save so he may help whoever he feels needs help. To not worry for tommorow means not that you cant save for future as also may need for medical bills tommorow not just for needs now and so you can help others but that you trust God if you seek first the kingdom to serve Him you dont have to be worried doing so instead of spending all your time seeking a job to depend only on yourself to be considered worrying where work will come that He will show you to give you a job opportunity if you serve Him though you must still seek but you have to work.

But if others are worried they can give money to charity that God can still accept any in any condition they are if they lost money but they wont be able to help many in need. But such to say must sell all is wrong if one has earthly goals such as as may get married in future and want to spend money such as for dentist that no one judges one for looking like one not looking after oneself but if one does not care for such does not have to worry. By saying not to lay up treasure on earth I believe Jesus means only if you live to do that only so that there is no room that it replaces your relationship with God and seeking to please Him by your life. But since I dont know if my belief is different to church does not mean church may not benefit me if it is real as sacraments are means to help people to being righteous not for those who already are to help guide one to knowing what is right according to the church.
 
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