Okay. You have an anemic view of God who needs to subordinate Himself to me. So much for have all authority.
Ok. If we agree that man is responsible for his actions, left in the the hand of his own counsel as it's been said in Scripture and in teachings such that he possesses a freedom with which he can move towards the good or towards evil, nearer to God or further from Him, such that he can resist and say no to grace, to God, even as grace is an essential factor in his saying yes, then we'd have a great deal of agreement. In any case, that's the only way the bible makes sense to me.
Again per Matthew 6:10, God requires man's cooperation for God's will to be done on earth. It is not surprising that you mock that as being an anemic view of God when your mentor's (Calvin) view of man has us all as puppets (see Post 5).
That’s it? You still refuse to answer my question and you think Matthew 28:18 says that God controls everyone 24/7? I feel like you’re not even trying to engage in the discussion you’re just tossing out a verse that doesn’t even remotely support Calvin’s quote. So I’ll ask a third time did God govern David’s will in his lust for Bathsheba and in the murder of Uriah? This is the third time I’ve had to ask this question because you keep refusing to answer it.
The difference is that you see God doing nothing as just that…nothing. I see God doing nothing as part of His plan. Sometimes God letting man follow his natural course as a fulfillment of His plan. Other times, as we see throughout scripture, He intervenes. Either way, whatever happens is ultimately God’s decision.
Govern (i.e. pulling strings) is the term Calvin uses for God controlling our wills and movements - see Post 5. Again Calvin affirms we are all puppets. So according to Calvinist doctrine, now you as an impotent human being are left considering why God pulls certain strings.
Well wait a minute let’s back up to Proverbs 21:1.
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I haven’t backpedaled.
Maybe you missed this.
He is, if He’s not stopping them. It means He has a purpose for what He is actively allowing.
See above.
It's God's decision either way. But for the purpose of salvation I never see Him as doing nothing but rather as doing much: appealing to, calling, informing, prompting, moving-"gracing" us, IOW-without outright determining our destinies. There's room for our freedom and His sovereignty both within His purpose for man and according to His wisdom.
I know, I have been channeled many time, all could have resulted in a wonderful benefit, but I did not cease the opportunities and so it resulted in my failure. They are all learning opportunities. so God will still be providing them. It is not: "Channeling or no channeling", but lots of channeling and some autonomous free will choices by the individual to allow them to fulfill their objective if they can.
This world is a huge mess, but also the best world for willing individuals to fulfill their earthly objective. People should cry out: "Where is your God?" so you can show them God living in and through you.
Some sins God does keep people from doing (He stops providing life to them for one way) but all sins would not help at all in our fulfilling our objective.
Your statement that the term "govern" indicates pulling strings only adds credence to the fact that Calvin views people as God's puppets. As much as possible without actually using the term "puppet" Calvin says we are all puppets. It is not my problem that you stubbornly refuse to come to terms with Calvin's writings. If God governs our counsel. will and movements, are we capable of any independent or action? Its not a trick question, the answer is NO.
(It doesn’t)
You’ll have to show from his writings where he used “puppets”. Otherwise, it’s a straw man.
A rose by any other name is a rose. The devil never termed himself a liar, but we know he is.
