Seats in European Parliament for Russia and Ukraine

[Love365]

Because they negotiated an exception as signatories to the Treat of Maastricht in the early 1990s. That the sort of leverage you what you get when you've participated in common European economic institutions for the previous 20+ years.

If you think that after Brexit the EU is going to allow another currency opt out, I've got real-estate in Atlantis I'd like to sell to you.

If Russia joins the European Union,
they should be allowed to exit any time they want.

 

[Arcangl86]

If Russia joins the European Union,
they should be allowed to exit any time they want.

Uh, I hate to break it to you, but all EU members have that right.

 

[Love365]

Uh, I hate to break it to you, but all EU members have that right.

Would Russia have to use the Euro?

Could they keep using their own currency?

 

[Arcangl86]

Would Russia have to use the Euro?

Could they keep using their own currency?

Like other members of the EU, they would need to eventually transition over to the Euro.

 

[Love365]

Like other members of the EU, they would need to eventually transition over to the Euro.

That would make an exit more difficult.

 

[Arcangl86]

That would make an exit more difficult.

Not really. They could simply reintroduce the ruble, initially pegged to the Euro, and then decouple it eventually.

 

[Whyayeman]

Russia and Ukraine need seats in European Parliament.

The European Parliament is a legislative body of the European Union and thus only for Union members. Ukraine has applied for membership but so far has not qualified by achieving the necessary standards, social, political and economic. No timetable for membership has been set, so Ukraine's ambition is thwarted for now.

The Russian Federation has shown opposition and hostilty towards the EU many times. In any case Russia fails in too many respects to come up to the standards set before an invitation would be made. The idea is laughable.

 

[Love365]

The European Parliament is a legislative body of the European Union and thus only for Union members. Ukraine has applied for membership but so far has not qualified by achieving the necessary standards, social, political and economic. No timetable for membership has been set, so Ukraine's ambition is thwarted for now.

The Russian Federation has shown opposition and hostilty towards the EU many times. In any case Russia fails in too many respects to come up to the standards set before an invitation would be made. The idea is laughable.

Russia should have been given seats in 1993.
But we put that off for as long as possible.

Now we have reached the point where Russia and Ukraine need seats,
to negotiate an end to the war.

The questions are too complicated for 2 ambassadors to solve.

They need European Union seats.

 

[Gene2memE]

Russia should have been given seats in 1993.

No more than Turkey, Finland or Sweden should have been given seats.

Russia DID NOT WANT TO JOIN THE EU in 1993, and it DOES NOT WANT TO JOIN THE EU now.

But we put that off for as long as possible.

Because, and I repeat myself, Russia DOES NOT WANT TO JOIN THE EU.

Russia doesn't even want to be in the Council Of Europe. Russia doesn't even want to maintain its existing treaties with the EU (most of which it withdrew from in 2014).

Now we have reached the point where Russia and Ukraine need seats, to negotiate an end to the war.

Neither Russia or Ukraine are EU members.
Negotiating the end of a war is not a function of a parliament. That's for specalised negotiating teams to undertake.

The questions are too complicated for 2 ambassadors to solve. They need European Union seats.

How many peace treaties have been negotiated by intercameral legislatures?

Russia and Ukraine are perfectly capable of negotiating an agreement between them, if and when the need arises. v

 

[Whyayeman]

Russia should have been given seats in 1993.
But we put that off for as long as possible.

I'm not sure whether you actually know what the European Union is.

And who are 'we'? You do know that the USA is not itself a member - and is not actually in Europe. Don't you?

 

[Love365]

I'm not sure whether you actually know what the European Union is.

And who are 'we'? You do know that the USA is not itself a member - and is not actually in Europe. Don't you?

Russia being locked out of the European Union is part of the Cold War.

End the Cold War.

Give Russia seats in the European Parliament.

 

[Whyayeman]

Russia being locked out of the European Union is part of the Cold War.

End the Cold War.

Give Russia seats in the European Parliament.

Russia could not join the European Union because in the first place there has been no invitation and will not be until it meets the political and economic standards of the EU. In the second place Russia is ideologically opposed to the principles of the Union, includingfree trade across national borders with the Union.

Once more, with feeling. The European Parliament consists of Members elected by constituents to pass legislation within the Union. It has no role in external affairs. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Russian foreign policy views its main antagonist as the USA, with the EU as a 'running dog'. There is no will in Russian political circles to end the Cold War, which here is Europe is seen as a different struggle. We see the invasion of Ukraine as a colonial war. Putin is openly trying to re-establish the Czarist Empire. Ukraine was liberated from that empire only recently and has no intention of being under the colonial yoke again.

 

[Love365]

Russia could not join the European Union because in the first place there has been no invitation and will not be until it meets the political and economic standards of the EU. In the second place Russia is ideologically opposed to the principles of the Union, includingfree trade across national borders with the Union.

Once more, with feeling. The European Parliament consists of Members elected by constituents to pass legislation within the Union. It has no role in external affairs. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Russian foreign policy views its main antagonist as the USA, with the EU as a 'running dog'. There is no will in Russian political circles to end the Cold War, which here is Europe is seen as a different struggle. We see the invasion of Ukraine as a colonial war. Putin is openly trying to re-establish the Czarist Empire. Ukraine was liberated from that empire only recently and has no intention of being under the colonial yoke again.

The British Empire tried to steal Crimea from the Russian Empire in the 1800’s.

That might be where the Cold War started.

 

[Arcangl86]

Russia being locked out of the European Union is part of the Cold War.

End the Cold War.

Give Russia seats in the European Parliament.

Russia isn't locked out the EU. They can join if the meet the EXACT SAME requirements as the current members.

 

[Whyayeman]

The British Empire tried to steal Crimea from the Russian Empire in the 1800’s.

That might be where the Cold War started.

The British never had territorial ambitions in Europe. I think the Crimean campaign was more complicated than that. Here is a good summary of what lay behind it. It is reasonably easy reading, with only a few hard words:

The Crimean War broke out on 5th October 1853, a military conflict fought between the Russian Empire on one side, against an alliance of Britain, France, the Ottoman Empire and Sardinia. The complexity of the war meant that it was fought on the grounds of various reasons by different parties, as everyone had a vested interest in the region.​

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The outbreak of violence arose from various factors, including the issue of Christian minority rights in the Holy Land, the overall declining Ottoman Empire leading to the “eastern question” and a resistance from the British and French to Russian expansion. With so many factors at play, the Crimean War proved inevitable.​

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In the years leading up to Crimea, competition between nations was rife, the prize being control of the Middle East, which was enough to ignite national rivalry between France, Russia and Britain. France had already taken the opportunity in 1830 to occupy Algeria and the prospect of further gains was enticing. The French Emperor Napoleon III had great plans to restore the splendour of France on the world stage, whilst Britain was keen to secure her trade routes to India and beyond.​

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It was the Russian Empire that had the territorial ambitions, then as now [my italics].

 

[Gene2memE]

The British Empire tried to steal Crimea from the Russian Empire in the 1800’s.

That might be where the Cold War started.

How ignorant of basic European history are you?

Great Game - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Winter War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Soviet re-occupation of the Baltic states (1944) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Territories of Poland annexed by the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Operation Pike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Love365]

Jesus said to love your enemies.
He is right.

If you make friends with your enemies,
then you have no enemies.

God loves all souls.

 

[Arcangl86]

Jesus said to love your enemies.
He is right.

If you make friends with your enemies,
then you have no enemies.

God loves all souls.

Maybe the publically staunchly Orthodox Christian Putin should start.

 

[Love365]

Parliament and Peace

 

[Arcangl86]

Bundestag and Beer.