Patrisitic Christianity

[Knowledge3]

I believe with a fundamental theory that the true,ancient,patristic,catholic/orthodox early Church is the true Church of Christ.

Then from there it gets Komplicated.

 

[pehkay]

Hmm ... in terms of their major teachings, only on deification, is it worthy to be mentioned. Other than that, a lot of misaimings or mixtures ..

 

[Uphill Battle]

I believe with a fundamental theory that the true,ancient,patristic,catholic/orthodox early Church is the true Church of Christ.

Then from there it gets Komplicated.

aaaand.... what leads you to believe that?

 

[simonthezealot]

I believe with a fundamental theory that the true,ancient,patristic,catholic/orthodox early Church is the true Church of Christ.

Then from there it gets Komplicated.

What fundamental theory is that?

 

[ScottBot]

What fundamental theory is that?

The theory that states that the FOUNDATION (i.e. fundamental) of Christianity is built on the Scriptures as understood in their proper context, which we can gain understanding of through use of the ECF writings (i.e., Patristics).

 

[Knowledge3]

What fundamental theory is that?

Exactly what Amor Vincit Omnia described to you.

 

[Knowledge3]

aaaand.... what leads you to believe that?

Ancient patristic understanding of orthodox trinitarian Christianity is the key to the early Church.

It's too bad many Protestants often look over that.

 

[Uphill Battle]

The theory that states that the FOUNDATION (i.e. fundamental) of Christianity is built on the Scriptures as understood in their proper context, which we can gain understanding of through use of the ECF writings (i.e., Patristics).

but the ECF's are not consistant. Doesn't that throw a monkey wrench in the works?

 

[ScottBot]

but the ECF's are not consistant. Doesn't that throw a monkey wrench in the works?

Nope. The accepted ECFs are universal in their understanding of Christ, salvation, sacraments, and the nature of the Church.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Nope. The accepted ECFs are universal in their understanding of Christ, salvation, sacraments, and the nature of the Church.

then could we not say that all other doctrines should not be so? The things that they are NOT consistant in? The things that typically seperate us into various denominations?

 

[Knowledge3]

but the ECF's are not consistant. Doesn't that throw a monkey wrench in the works?

No.

The Orthodox Holy Fathers were God's spiritual champions who exegeted the Scripture with real knowledge and a sense of patristic understanding.

They were the bearers of the apostolic traditions we still keep today.

Keep in mind that this is going back to the 1st century.

 

[Uphill Battle]

No.

The Orthodox Holy Fathers were God's spiritual champions who exegeted the Scripture with real knowledge and a sense of patristic understanding.

They were the bearers of the apostolic traditions we still keep today.

Keep in mind that this is going back to the 1st century.

I'm talking about specifically the around 300 AD explosion of teachings that are not previously seen in any writings. What of them?

 

[Knowledge3]

I'm talking about specifically the around 300 AD explosion of teachings that are not previously seen in any writings. What of them?

I'll have to look into 300 AD.

What the ancient Fathers did was defend the early Church against an endless list of Heretics.

 

[IowaLutheran]

Ancient patristic understanding of orthodox trinitarian Christianity is the key to the early Church.

It's too bad many Protestants often look over that.

I don't!

 

[Knowledge3]

I don't!

I admire the Book of Concord which LCMS conservative Lutherans are supposed to know and confess, but disagree the Protestant explanations of their theology.

 

[IowaLutheran]

I admire the Book of Concord which LCMS conservative Lutherans are supposed to know and confess, but disagree the Protestant explanations of their theology.

I was going to provide you with a link to a website which had a nice summary of why Lutherans are consistent with the Augustinian tradition of the Western Church.

However, I looked and saw that the person maintaining the site has just converted to Roman Catholicism!
http://orthodoxlutheran.fws1.com/

Guess he was like Jaroslav Pelikan, who remarked about his conversion to Orthodoxy, "There was only so many times I could circle the airport before landing".

 

[simonthezealot]

but the ECF's are not consistant. Doesn't that throw a monkey wrench in the works?

I'm with Uphill on this one, and as I mentioned on another thread Paul was correcting churches as early as the mid 1st century whom already started screwing things up. Why would patristic sources support fundamental Christianity, when so many practiced different forms until some structure was forced in the councels of the 4th century.

 

[Uphill Battle]

I'm with Uphill on this one, and as I mentioned on another thread Paul was correcting churches as early as the mid 1st century whom already started screwing things up. Why would patristic sources support fundamental Christianity, when so many practiced different forms until some structure was forced in the councels of the 4th century.

and, at which point, some uncorrected error and/or unsupported doctines were dragged in to the mix, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Knowledge3]

I'm with Uphill on this one, and as I mentioned on another thread Paul was correcting churches as early as the mid 1st century whom already started screwing things up. Why would patristic sources support fundamental Christianity, when so many practiced different forms until some structure was forced in the councels of the 4th century.

Because patristic sources is philosophical wisdom and knowledge of Christian spirituality gleaned from prayer and spiritual experience in strict ascetics and monastic heyschasm.

 

[ScottBot]

I'm with Uphill on this one, and as I mentioned on another thread Paul was correcting churches as early as the mid 1st century whom already started screwing things up. Why would patristic sources support fundamental Christianity, when so many practiced different forms until some structure was forced in the councels of the 4th century.

I'm sure providing us with some specific examples would help us understand your paradigm.