Not under the law?

[SAAN]

Not Under The Law? - YouTube

Here is a 6 minute video I saw that explains the whole 'being under law" term.

What are your thoughts on this video?

 

[Steeno7]

Not Under The Law?

Here is a 6 minute video I saw that explains the whole 'being under law" term.

What are your thoughts on this video?

My thought is that God says we are no longer under the law, because we are no longer under the law. Simple. No need to jump through so many theological hoops just to try and make it say something it doesn't. Christ IS the end of the law for all who believe. Believe it.

 

[SAAN]

I agree that Christ is the completion of the law, but I dont think that Christians get a free pass and have no rules that God wants them to abide by.

While we may no longer be under the curse of the law, we are still expected to keep Gods commands and are under grace to repent when we sin.

 

[Steeno7]

I agree that Christ is the completion of the law, but I dont think that Christians get a free pass and have no rules that God wants them to abide by.

While we may no longer be under the curse of the law, we are still expected to keep Gods commands and are under grace to repent when we sin.

We are no longer under law. Period.

 

[maco]

We are no longer under the law as it relates to the old covenant. Our new law is the teachings of Jesus. His words will be our judge. The teachings of Jesus reveals the spirit of the law on stone.

 

[Steeno7]

We are no longer under the law as it relates to the old covenant. Our new law is the teachings of Jesus. His words will be our judge. The teachings of Jesus reveals the spirit of the law on stone.

If you are in Christ, Christ is in you, and you are no longer under law. Period.

 

[SAAN]

If you are in Christ, Christ is in you, and you are no longer under law. Period.

Romans 10:4

New King James Version (NKJV)

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.




This means the law itself cant provide righteousness, and Christ completes the law. It doesnt mean as a Christian , you dont have any commands that God expects you to obey.

 

[Steeno7]

Romans 10:4

New King James Version (NKJV)

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

This means the law itself cant provide righteousness, and Christ completes the law. It doesnt mean as a Christian , you dont have any commands that God expects you to obey.

It means the law cannot produce righteousness. Only the Righteous One can....and where is He? And what is He doing?

 

[from scratch]

I agree that Christ is the completion of the law, but I dont think that Christians get a free pass and have no rules that God wants them to abide by.

While we may no longer be under the curse of the law, we are still expected to keep Gods commands and are under grace to repent when we sin.

So who here says or implies Christians get a free pass on sin? The only people here I know of saying anything like this is the pro law contingency.

 

[from scratch]

We are no longer under the law as it relates to the old covenant. Our new law is the teachings of Jesus. His words will be our judge. The teachings of Jesus reveals the spirit of the law on stone.

If I follow your posting history this really means Christians are required to keep the law.

 

[SAAN]

So who here says or implies Christians get a free pass on sin? The only people here I know of saying anything like this is the pro law contingency.

I think the misunderstanding is the "not under the law". We are expected to follow Gods laws though. ALL might not apply to us as Christians as some were ceremonial, apllied to priests only, some to women.

Now the big problem comes when you think you can actually gain your righteousness from being obedient to the law and not realize its your faith that saves you. I know many who will eat , sleep, and drink Torah and every other word out their mouth is Torah and think they are so holy because they keep Torah.

The pro law crowd issue is not their trying to be obedient to Gods commands, but its the constant misjudgementation and condemnation of others when they feel they are not living right according to them.

 

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I think the misunderstanding is the "not under the law". We are expected to follow Gods laws though. ALL might not apply to us as Christians as some were ceremonial, apllied to priests only, some to women.

Now the big problem comes when you think you can actually gain your righteousness from being obedient to the law and not realize its your faith that saves you. I know many who will eat , sleep, and drink Torah and every other word out their mouth is Torah and think they are so holy because they keep Torah.

The pro law crowd issue is not their trying to be obedient to Gods commands, but its the constant misjudgementation and condemnation of others when they feel they are not living right according to them.

Isn't that exactly what the pro law contingency promote?

"It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord" {6T 356.4}

What do you make of this verse -

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

 

[SAAN]

Isn't that exactly what the pro law contingency promote?

"It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord" {6T 356.4}

What do you make of this verse -

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

The law is for the lawless who break it. As Christians if we are not doing those activities, we are not under the law and dont have to worry about the penalty of breaking it applying to us.
Usually when the Sabbatrian crowd jumps in, they go on the, if you break one commandment you break all of them rant and start comparing Sabbath breaking to murder and stealing.

 

[from scratch]

The law is for the lawless who break it. As Christians if we are not doing those activities, we are not under the law and dont have to worry about the penalty of breaking it applying to us.
Usually when the Sabbatrian crowd jumps in, they go on the, if you break one commandment you break all of them rant and start comparing Sabbath breaking to murder and stealing.

So how does now we are delivered from the law mean only when we don't sin? Please explain.

 

[SAAN]

So how does now we are delivered from the law mean only when we don't sin? Please explain.

We are delivered from the curse of the law. Now when we sin we have grace to repent. If we dont repent we are still under the curse of the law.

The bible says no murder will inherit the kingdom of heaven, but that is assuming you murdered someone and never repent. But the bible also say not to abuse grace either, ie commit the same sin over and over again.

 

[from scratch]

We are delivered from the curse of the law. Now when we sin we have grace to repent. If we dont repent we are still under the curse of the law.

The bible says no murder will inherit the kingdom of heaven, but that is assuming you murdered someone and never repent. But the bible also say not to abuse grace either, ie commit the same sin over and over again.

IOW the law holds no power. I don't run from the law to grace if I sin, I live under grace. The law has no say.

The Bible doesn't say those who don't murder will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Yes I fully agree with you and Paul on the matter of abusing grace.

 

[maco]

If I follow your posting history this really means Christians are required to keep the law.

If you follow the teachings of Christ you will look like someone who is keeping the Ten Commandments.

 

[Steeno7]

If you follow the teachings of Christ you will look like someone who is keeping the Ten Commandments.

Ummm, no. What you will look like is someone with plucked out eyes and cut off hands.

 

[Sophrosyne]

We are delivered from the curse of the law. Now when we sin we have grace to repent. If we dont repent we are still under the curse of the law.

The bible says no murder will inherit the kingdom of heaven, but that is assuming you murdered someone and never repent. But the bible also say not to abuse grace either, ie commit the same sin over and over again.

Nope, I'm sorry but this doesn't work either as you are equating a sin can cancel out our redemption in Christ, which makes us have to AGAIN become redeemed. We aren't redeemed constantly by repentance it happens once when we accept Jesus. You are advocating the idea EACH sin forfeits our salvation.


Galatians 3:13New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a [a]tree”—

 

[SAAN]

A sin may not cost you salvation, but living a constant sinful lifestyle will if you die unrepentant in your sins. Jesus will say he never knew you.