New fossil shows four-legged fishapod that returned to the water while Tiktaalik ventured onto land

[Astrophile]

If you'll excuse me for just a moment: I need to go to the men's room and look in the mirror and see how much loathing is showing on my face...

The adjective 'loath' (or 'loth') means disinclined, reluctant or unwilling. It does not have the same meaning as the verb 'loathe', which means 'regard with disgust, abominate, detest'.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The adjective 'loath' (or 'loth') means disinclined, reluctant or unwilling. It does not have the same meaning as the verb 'loathe', which means 'regard with disgust, abominate, detest'.

That's a good point. .... ok.

Loath vs. Loathe

It can be easy to mix up loath and loathe because of their extremely similar spellings, but here’s the difference.

www.dictionary.com

So, I instead went to the men's room to see how much of a loath face I could see upon mine own visage.

It's not quite Steinbeck, and it's not quite right, but it works for me. (Gawd, I always was loath to attend English class!)

 

[Estrid]

When you stop asking loaded questions then we can more fully engage just about any and every ETHICS quadrilemma you'd like to engage.

Loaded as in substantive.

It's a thing, for theists generally, with
only frivolous questions, and answers
built of air.

 

[Estrid]

The adjective 'loath' (or 'loth') means disinclined, reluctant or unwilling. It does not have the same meaning as the verb 'loathe', which means 'regard with disgust, abominate, detest'.

I'm sure he knows that, as well as he and I
know the reason for the equivocation.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Loaded as in substantive.

It's a thing, for theists generally, with
only frivolous questions, and answers
built of air.

Are you implying you'd actually like to have a serious engagement in a discussion of the Bible?

My goodness, Estrid! Why didn't you tell me earlier? We could have saved a lot of wasted time.

 

[Estrid]

Are you implying you'd actually like to have a serious engagement in a discussion of the Bible?

My goodness, Estrid! Why didn't you tell me earlier? We could have saved a lot of wasted time.

And now you go with condescendtion /snark.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

And now you go with condescendtion /snark.

Well, not everyone can be perfect, Estrid. Besides, I'm trying to lighten up the mood because if really want to "talk Bible," conversation can go South in the blink of an eye.

Or, we can handle this the "Estrid" way? How would you prefer I approach our conversations, Estrid? Do you want me to present less crappy humor on my part? I can do that. But you might not like what you hear.

 

[Ophiolite]

Well, not everyone can be perfect, Estrid. Besides, I'm trying to lighten up the mood because if really want to "talk Bible," conversation can go South in the blink of an eye.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate, and certainly more polite, to focus on the subject of the thread?

I've added a question mark to the sentence, but - just to be clear - it's rhetorical.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate, and certainly more polite, to focus on the subject of the thread?

I've added a question mark to the sentence, but - just to be clear - it's rhetorical.

Are you kidding? That would be an act of consistency, and if there's anything worse than being boring here on CF, it's to react to other people with any kind of consistency. I mean, it's not like anyone is really here to learn anything, and I'd hate to stop folks from having the freedom to avoid education.

 

[doubtingmerle]

How many tries did it take them to find this thing?

Evolution theory did not give the exact GPS coordinates of where Tiktaalik or Qikiqtania would be found. It did give indications of the general rock layers where such creatures might be. However, those rock layers are huge.

If somebody told you that he dropped a needle in a particular haystack, and sure enough, you eventually find the needle in that haystack, was the person who told you this wrong?

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution theory did not give the exact GPS coordinates of where Tiktaalik or Qikiqtania would be found.

I stopped right here.

I'm looking for a number.

Not two paragraphs of baloney.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I stopped right here.

I'm looking for a number.

Not two paragraphs of baloney.

As many tries as was needed.

 

[Frank Robert]

I stopped right here.

I'm looking for a number.

Not two paragraphs of baloney.

You are using the wrong mental map in the sense that the map is not the territory. The Paleontologist did not set out looking for Tiktaalik or Qikiqtani they were looking for fossils in an area that was a likely place for fossils to have formed.

The finding showed that "The transition from life in water to life on land was going both ways." which was not previously understood.

 

[Estrid]

You are using the wrong mental map in the sense that the map is not the territory. The Paleontologist did not set out looking for Tiktaalik or Qikiqtani they were looking for fossils in an area that was a likely place for fossils to have formed.

The finding showed that "The transition from life in water to life on land was going both ways." which was not previously understood.

The transition back to water has been going on
ever since there were land animals and continues today.

 

[Frank Robert]

The transition back to water has been going on
ever since there were land animals and continues today.

Yes it has. @AV1611VET's mental map is that it takes multiple tries to find something that is being specifically specifically searched for as in the return to water as opposed to new knowledge or things not quite understood.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I stopped right here.

I'm looking for a number.

Not two paragraphs of baloney.

Will this do?

I'm not sure what counts as a try, but it was after five seasons of hunting on the same island.

"After five years of digging on Ellesmere Island, in the far north of Nunavut, they hit pay dirt: a collection of several fish so beautifully preserved that their skeletons were still intact. As Shubin's team studied the species they saw to their excitement that it was exactly the missing intermediate they were looking for. 'We found something that really split the difference right down the middle,' says Daeschler."

 

[AV1611VET]

Will this do?

No.

 

[Estrid]

Yes it has. @AV1611VET's mental map is that it takes multiple tries to find something that is being specifically specifically searched for as in the return to water as opposed to new knowledge or things not quite understood.

Who cares what he thinks

 

[essentialsaltes]

No.

How about, it was the first place Shubin looked?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How about, it was the first place Shubin looked?

I'm so confused by what AV is trying to get with this line of questioning.