Male/Female how?

[Homeowner]

I heard an interesting idea that "rib" can be translated as "curve". As in Eve was created from Adam's DNA strand.

So Adam was "created" as almost DNA identical to Chimpanzees, then Eve was "created" from Adam's DNA by adding altering her chromosome to XX variant. Uhh.....

Why do we bother with science on this if we label it as a miracle. I mean there is even zero logic about this narrative let alone trying to make science match this act of creation.

 

[Ceallaigh]

So Adam was "created" as almost DNA identical to Chimpanzees, then Eve was "created" from Adam's DNA by adding altering her chromosome to XX variant. Uhh.....

Why do we bother with science on this if we label it as a miracle. I mean there is even zero logic about this narrative let alone trying to make science match this act of creation.

I just found the idea of Genesis talking about DNA interesting.

 

[BPPLEE]

Why did God create man to be physically almost identical to Chimpanzee, a creature that had already been created even if we are the special case and unique ?

Just give an answer that makes any sense theologically speaking ?

According to you he didn't create them. We are not identical. Men are taller and chimpanzees are stronger. God can create anything he pleases your argument makes no sense.

 

[Homeowner]

I just found the idea of Genesis talking about DNA interesting.

That would be quite revolutionary indeed.

Deoxyribonucleic acid is a polymer composed of two polynucleotide chains that coil around each other to form a double helix carrying genetic instructions for the development, functioning, growth and reproduction of all known organisms and many viruses.

Bit of a stretch to translate "curve" to that ?

 

[BPPLEE]

So Adam was "created" as almost DNA identical to Chimpanzees, then Eve was "created" from Adam's DNA by adding altering her chromosome to XX variant. Uhh.....

Why do we bother with science on this if we label it as a miracle. I mean there is even zero logic about this narrative let alone trying to make science match this act of creation.

You are correct. It had to be a miracle.

 

[Homeowner]

According to you he didn't create them. We are not identical. Men are taller and chimpanzees are stronger. God can create anything he pleases your argument makes no sense.

So your rationale of humans (Grand design, Unique, Image of God) and Chimpanzees (animals) being nearly identical by their DNA that defines their characteristic is simply "God can do whatever He wants" ?

That's it ?

 

[Ceallaigh]

That would be quite revolutionary indeed.

Deoxyribonucleic acid is a polymer composed of two polynucleotide chains that coil around each other to form a double helix carrying genetic instructions for the development, functioning, growth and reproduction of all known organisms and many viruses.

Bit of a stretch to translate "curve" to that ?

I regret posting now

 

[Homeowner]

I regret posting now

You know if you want to run with some DNA based scheme you can totally just accept the rib word. There is plenty of DNA on someone's rib.

 

[BPPLEE]

So your rationale of humans (Grand design, Unique, Image of God) and Chimpanzees (animals) being nearly identical by their DNA that defines their characteristic is simply "God can do whatever He wants" ?

That's it ?

Commonality shows a common creator. How much DNA does man share in common with a cow? Humans share almost all of our DNA with cats, cattle and mice

 

[Ceallaigh]

You know if you want to run with some DNA based scheme you can totally just accept the rib word. There is plenty of DNA on someone's rib.

 

[Homeowner]

Commonality shows a common creator. How much DNA does man share in common with a cow?

Around 80% apparently.

"Cows and humans do indeed share 80% of their DNA, the building block of all life on earth, according to this 2009 study in the journal Science. But humans are genetically closer to a host of species than they are to cows, including cats, dogs, horses, and our closest relatives, apes.

Humans are genetically closest to chimpanzees and bonobos--a smaller relative of chimps--sharing almost 99% of genes, as Science reported in 2012. Gorillas are next with 98% of genes similar to humans."

Humans, Cows Share 80% Genes, As Home Minister Said, But Mice, Dogs, Apes Are Closer

So why did God make some animals almost identical to what we know as image of God ? Like Chimpanzees ? Why create animals that look very similar to God according to the Bible ?

Isn't that bit...undignified and should be reserved for humans, the special creations , the actual image of God ?

And yes of course He could do whatever , but what would be the point ?

 

[BPPLEE]

Around 80% apparently.

"Cows and humans do indeed share 80% of their DNA, the building block of all life on earth, according to this 2009 study in the journal Science. But humans are genetically closer to a host of species than they are to cows, including cats, dogs, horses, and our closest relatives, apes.

Humans are genetically closest to chimpanzees and bonobos--a smaller relative of chimps--sharing almost 99% of genes, as Science reported in 2012. Gorillas are next with 98% of genes similar to humans."

Humans, Cows Share 80% Genes, As Home Minister Said, But Mice, Dogs, Apes Are Closer

Is the theory that we evolved from cattle somewhere down the line? 80% is pretty significant. No we are closer to cats.

 

[BPPLEE]

Around 80% apparently.

"Cows and humans do indeed share 80% of their DNA, the building block of all life on earth, according to this 2009 study in the journal Science. But humans are genetically closer to a host of species than they are to cows, including cats, dogs, horses, and our closest relatives, apes.

Humans are genetically closest to chimpanzees and bonobos--a smaller relative of chimps--sharing almost 99% of genes, as Science reported in 2012. Gorillas are next with 98% of genes similar to humans."

Humans, Cows Share 80% Genes, As Home Minister Said, But Mice, Dogs, Apes Are Closer

So why did God make some animals almost identical to what we know as image of God ? Like Chimpanzees ? Why create animals that look very similar to God according to the Bible ?

Isn't that bit...undignified and should be reserved for humans, the special creations , the actual image of God ?

And yes of course He could do whatever , but what would be the point ?

The Image of God is not referring to the body and there is no reason why God wouldn't create apes.
What does it mean that humanity is made in the image of God (imago dei)? | GotQuestions.org You have no idea what The Image of God means. Just an observation.

 

[Homeowner]

Is the theory that we evolved from cattle somewhere down the line? 80% is pretty significant.

You have no clue about evolution obviously. Just an observation.

Cow is not in the same branch of evolutionary tree so we did not evolve from cow.

At one point in the evolution we had a common ancestor with cows which explains the 80% DNA match.

Then the ancestors of what would be cows went one way while the ancestors of what would be the great apes went another way.

It really helps if you think of it as a tree and branches.

http://images.mini-ielts.com/images/1/18/evolution-tree.jpg

I am not even asking if you agree with any of this but can you see the logic ?

We can trace this DNA chain and see how it branches off which is why we know who our closest genetic relatives are. It is not mumbo jumbo it is science.

Look at the mother Chimpanzee as my avatar, then look at your arm. Genetic similarities. It isn't really an accident or chance. These are our close relatives. Genetically speaking.

 

[Homeowner]

The Image of God is not referring to the body

So now we are picking and choosing which parts of the genesis are allegorical and which are not ?

"Create" is clearly to create something because it says so no evolution needed however now an "image of God" (from your link) "refers to the immaterial part of humanity." instead of being actual physical likeness because someone says so since otherwise this narrative is bonkers again.

You don't see any little logical fallacies you get from this ?

 

[BPPLEE]

You have no clue about evolution obviously. Just an observation.

Cow is not in the same branch of evolutionary tree so we did not evolve from cow.

At one point in the evolution we had a common ancestor with cows which explains the 80% DNA match.

Then the ancestors of what would be cows went one way while the ancestors of what would be the great apes went another way.

It really helps if you think of it as a tree and branches.

http://images.mini-ielts.com/images/1/18/evolution-tree.jpg

I am not even asking if you agree with any of this but can you see the logic ?

We can trace this DNA chain and see how it branches off which is why we know who our closest genetic relatives are. It is not mumbo jumbo it is science.

Look at the mother Chimpanzee as my avatar, then look at your arm. Genetic similarities. It isn't really an accident or chance. These are our close relatives. Genetically speaking.

I do understand and evolution does happen. I just don't believe that men and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor and I don't believe abiogenesis occurred as a result of random chance.

 

[BPPLEE]

So now we are picking and choosing which parts of the genesis are allegorical and which are not ?

"Create" is clearly to create something because it says so no evolution needed however now an "image of God" (from your link) "refers to the immaterial part of humanity." instead of being actual physical likeness because someone says so since otherwise this narrative is bonkers again.

You don't see any little logical fallacies you get from this ?

No

 

[Homeowner]

I do understand and evolution does happen. I just don't believe that men and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor and I don't believe abiogenesis occurred as a result of random chance.

Right, then you do realize that abiogenesis is not subject to same laws as evolution ? That evolution really doesn't have anything to do with abiogenesis ? Evolution is what living populations do.

Scientists freely admit that they don't know yet how abiogenesis happened.

As for not believing. It is a scientific fact. Just look at that picture. You are free to believe that something looking so much like us with nearly identical DNA to us is not a relative but it does not change the facts.

No

Ok, then. Were the days in creation story really days or something else ? Did the creation day last 1000 years or billion ? Was the light like the sunlight , or ultraviolet light maybe.

If you decide some of it is allegory then all of it can be. If you decide none of it is then you can't just figure out interpretations that suit your current needs like the case mentioned in other post that rib can be translated as curve that can be translated as DNA or image of God is "immaterial part of humanity"

 

[Ceallaigh]

It stands to reason that chimps and cows were made from the same dirt as Adam. What makes man unique is his soul which is manifested in his sentience, his intellect imaged from the mind of God.

 

[Homeowner]

his intellect imaged from the mind of God.

Sure let's run with that for change of space. His intellect which we probably can agree is vastly inferior to God ? What about man's fears, passions, rage, jealousy, bitterness, hate ?