Israel-Hamas Thread II

[rjs330]

I'm beginning to think that Israel should drive all the Gazans out and just take it over. The Fazans dont seem interested in yhe least in helping Israel get rid of Hamas. If they were things might be different.
instead Israel could turn it into Israel and farm it and build settlements there. Dump all the rubble into the tunnel entrances. Pour a ton of concrete on each one so there's no way to get out and you'd he good to go. Of course Hamas would link up with Hezbollah. But hey then Israel could take caref them too. If your going to be constant accused of stealing the kand anyway you might as well just take it. It would be more prosperous under Israel anyway. If these Gazanz are so peaceful as peoe say then maybe the peaceful ones can come back and live in peace afterward. But from what I've seen that's doubtful.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I'm beginning to think that Israel should drive all the Gazans out and just take it over.

Some in Israel also support ethnic cleansing and a second Nakba.

When asked what Israel should do with the Gaza Strip in the event that all the territory’s residents be forcibly driven out, Azoulai responded that it should be “left empty, just like Auschwitz. A museum, so the whole world will learn what the state of Israel can do.”

 

[wing2000]

The key difference is size.

Ukraine-233,000 square miles.

Gaza- 17 square miles.

Russian army size? 3 million active, another million reserve.

IDF size? 170,000 active, 450,000 reserve.

It seems you are missing the point: If there is no governance in Gaza by a party other than the IDF, Hamas will fill in the gap as recent events have shown. The current IDF CO and former retired IDF General made theses very points in the articles I linked.

The US specifically warned Israel of this risk prior to the invasion. We have recent experience after all.....in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yes, Gaza is a much smaller area. However, Hamas is embedded in a civilian population that is ripe for recruitment. Once more, it seems the IDF still has a long way to go before they control the tunnel system. As Vietnam vets what it was like dealing with an enemey that could pop up out of the ground at any time....

 

[ralliann]

Some in Israel also support ethnic cleansing and a second Nakba.

When asked what Israel should do with the Gaza Strip in the event that all the territory’s residents be forcibly driven out, Azoulai responded that it should be “left empty, just like Auschwitz. A museum, so the whole world will learn what the state of Israel can do.”

That isn't ethnic cleansing, Palestinian Is not it's own ethnicity......Israelis however are...

 

[JosephZ]

That isn't ethnic cleansing, Palestinian Is not it's own ethnicity

It would be ethnic cleansing. Palestinians are considered to be an Arab ethno-nationalist group.

Israelis however are...

Isrealis are not. They are citizens of the modern State of Israel, regardless of them being Jewish, Arabs, or of any other ethnicity.

 

[ralliann]

I'm beginning to think that Israel should drive all the Gazans out and just take it over. The Fazans dont seem interested in yhe least in helping Israel get rid of Hamas. If they were things might be different.
instead Israel could turn it into Israel and farm it and build settlements there. Dump all the rubble into the tunnel entrances. Pour a ton of concrete on each one so there's no way to get out and you'd he good to go. Of course Hamas would link up with Hezbollah. But hey then Israel could take caref them too. If your going to be constant accused of stealing the kand anyway you might as well just take it. It would be more prosperous under Israel anyway. If these Gazanz are so peaceful as peoe say then maybe the peaceful ones can come back and live in peace afterward. But from what I've seen that's doubtful.

Whatever they do, should end any hopes of anyone attempting Warfare the way these people have done. Killing your own people should never be a form of resistance nor a defence.

 

[ralliann]

It would be ethnic cleansing. Palestinians are considered to be an Arab ethno-nationalist group.

They are Arabs......

Isrealis ar not. They are citizens of the modern State of Israel, regardless of them being Jewish, Arabs, or of any other ethnicity.

Israel the original name of the homeland of Jews. Jew's make it a "Jewish" state. Palestinians are Arabs which live in land they call Palestine.

 

[JosephZ]

Israel the original name of the homeland of Jews. Jew's make it a "Jewish" state.

That doesn't make all Israelis Jews.

 

[ralliann]

That doesn't make all Israelis Jews.

I never said it did. It is Jew's who make "their state" Israel. That does not mean non jew's cannot live in in their state.
Palestinians are Arab. Palestine is the land these Arabs live.

 

[Philip_B]

Whatever they do, should end any hopes of anyone attempting Warfare the way these people have done. Killing your own people should never be a form of resistance nor a defence.

I am not sure if that comment is directed against The Palestinians or the Israelis. It is only your consistent one-sided approach that gives me any clue.

It seems that the United States is the long-term friend and big brother of Israel, and even still there are many there who are concerned about what is happening.

 

[ralliann]

I am not sure if that comment is directed against The Palestinians or the Israelis. It is only your consistent one-sided approach that gives me any clue.

Well since Israel does not kill it's own people, the choice is obvious.

It seems that the United States is the long-term friend and big brother of Israel, and even still there are many there who are concerned about what is happening.

Again those who support Israel are concerned about what is happening and has been happening, and decreasing the chances of it happening again.

 

[Philip_B]

Well since Israel does not kill it's own people, the choice is obvious.

How 3 Israeli hostages tried to save themselves, only to be killed by their own military

 

[JosephZ]

U.S. officials see strategic failure in Israel’s Rafah invasion

A number of current and former U.S. and Israeli officials expressed doubt that a full-scale invasion of Rafah would bring an end to the conflict or achieve the government’s goal of eliminating Hamas.

Retired Gen. David Petraeus, who utilized the “clear, hold and build” strategy to counter al-Qaeda forces in Iraq, said that Israel’s “punitive” clearing operations in Gaza, without any follow-up to hold territory or rebuild infrastructure and livelihoods for Palestinian civilians, would only result in Hamas reconstituting within an angry and alienated population.

“What you have is a cycle,” Petraeus said in an interview. “If you don’t hold and rebuild, you’re just going to have to clear again and again … all they’ve done essentially is to go into Gaza, destroy a target and then pull out.” While perhaps able to destroy Hamas as a military organization, Israel does not have the troops, doctrine, experience or political will to conduct the kind of comprehensive strategy that would prevent an insurgency from being reborn, he said.

“If Israel’s strategy is making it more likely, and not less likely that future terrorist attacks will occur, then it is not an effective strategy,” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) told Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin at an Appropriations Committee hearing last week.

Austin concurred, saying that a “key lesson” and “strategic imperative” learned by U.S. forces in recent decades “is you have to protect the people, the civilians in the battlespace, otherwise you create more terrorists going forward.”

A broad, armored invasion into Rafah would ensure a quagmire and lead to more civilian deaths, said Alon Pinkas a veteran Israeli diplomat and former senior government adviser. “Wake up,” Pinkas said. “‘Toppling Hamas’ is only possible through diplomatic means.”

 

[ralliann]

How 3 Israeli hostages tried to save themselves, only to be killed by their own military

On accident, which again is all because of Hamas, and their supporters. Doesn't matter they were kidnapped, does it? Support Hamas at all costs.