Illegal immigrants could sway elections, experts warn

[BPPLEE]

So you're concerned about anchor babies?

I thought that was an objectionable term. I’m just stating the fact that there are going to be children of undocumented immigrants who can vote in 18 years. Some people were emphasizing that these people are not likely to be able to vote. Their children will be able to though.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It will take 18 years from the time they are born.

That's the way it always works. What's your point?

 

[BPPLEE]

That's the way it always works. What's your point?

That this wave of undocumented immigrants will eventually produce voters

 

[Hans Blaster]

That this wave of undocumented immigrants will eventually produce voters

Is that cheating the hard way or something that we need to worry about?

 

[BPPLEE]

Is that cheating the hard way or something that we need to worry about?

It’s just a fact. Some people are emphasizing that these people are not likely to be able to vote (which I’m not so sure about) but their children will absolutely, legally be able to vote

 

[BCP1928]

Down in New Mexico, near where I recently lived, there are two little towns right next to each other way out in the middle of the desert. The US border runs right between them: Puerto Palomas, Chihuahua and Colombus, New Mexico. For many years, there was no maternity clinic in Puerto Palomas so the women who lived there came across and had their babies in Columbus. There is a maternity clinic in Puerto Palomas now, so the women stay home to have their babies but there are still few older kids left who live in Puerto Palomas with their families but as US citizens, every morning they come to the border gate and are picked up by the Luna County school bus on its rounds, taken to a US public school and then dropped off at the border gate after school and they walk across to their homes in Mexico. No doubt that when they grow up they will vote in the US. Good for them.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It’s just a fact. Some people are emphasizing that these people are not likely to be able to vote (which I’m not so sure about) but their children will absolutely, legally be able to vote

It also has nothing to do with the OP, nor anything near term.

 

[BPPLEE]

It also has nothing to do with the OP, nor anything near term.

It has to do with the current wave of undocumented immigrants eventually affecting voting

 

[Hans Blaster]

It has to do with the current wave of undocumented immigrants eventually affecting voting

We don't have much of a history of legalizing and providing paths to citizenship for undocumented entrants even after decades. The so-called "dreamers" have been excused from deportation for their childhood illegal entry, but as them if they can vote yet decades later.

 

[BPPLEE]

We don't have much of a history of legalizing and providing paths to citizenship for undocumented entrants even after decades. The so-called "dreamers" have been excused from deportation for their childhood illegal entry, but as them if they can vote yet decades later.

Irrelevant. I’m not talking about children brought here I’m talking about children born here.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Irrelevant. I’m not talking about children brought here I’m talking about children born here.

And it will take decades before they could vote. That's how the time works.

What about young people who were born in the US and grew up here voting once they are adults is scary to you?

 

[BCP1928]

It has to do with the current wave of undocumented immigrants eventually affecting voting

Right. Some of the asylum seekers will be allowed to stay and may eventually become US citizens. Some will have babies who will also become US citizens. Some will even have babies while waiting for their asylum claims to be heard and those babies will be US citizens even if the parents' asylum claims fail and they are repatriated. All those US citizen babies will grow up and vote (we hope) some day. But you have no idea whatever how these new citizens will vote, or even what parties and candidates they will have to choose from. It seems a strange thing that anyone should be seriously concerned about

 

[BPPLEE]

And it will take decades before they could vote. That's how the time works.

What about young people who were born in the US and grew up here voting once they are adults is scary to you?

Stop putting words in my mouth. First someone said anchor babies now your deflection fell flat so you claim fear.? I’m just stating the facts

 

[BPPLEE]

Right. Some of the asylum seekers will be allowed to stay and may eventually become US citizens. Some will have babies who will also become US citizens. Some will even have babies while waiting for their asylum claims to be heard and those babies will be US citizens even if the parents' asylum claims fail and they are repatriated. All those US citizen babies will grow up and vote (we hope) some day. But you have no idea whatever how these new citizens will vote, or even what parties and candidates they will have to choose from. It seems a strange thing that anyone should be seriously concerned about

I only claimed they could vote. We don’t know how they will vote. It’s a risky strategy

 

[BCP1928]

I only claimed they could vote. We don’t know how they will vote. It’s a risky strategy

It's a risky strategy with any US citizens: You don't know how they'll vote until they get in the booth and vote. There is always a risk that a US citizen will not vote conservative. Counting on a conservative vote would be a very poor strategy indeed--as would counting on a Democratic vote

 

[Hans Blaster]

Stop putting words in my mouth. First someone said anchor babies now your deflection fell flat so you claim fear.? I’m just stating the facts

This thread is about the nutty notion that the surge of illegal immigration will distort our elections by altering the census count and therefore the apportionment of Congress and the electoral votes. The problem with this as noted in several posts by various posters is that this "surge" came *AFTER* the census of 2020 was taken so it would have exactly *ZERO* impact then we get things from posters about elections after the next census and the minor impact that would have on reapportionment, *AND* we get including from you, stuff about babies born to those immigrants. So I put the question to you again...

What does it matter who their parents were? How are the children of illegal immigrants any different than any other native born US citizen when they become eligible to vote at age 18? Or does it just not matter at all?

 

[BPPLEE]

It's a risky strategy with any US citizens: You don't know how they'll vote until they get in the booth and vote. There is always a risk that a US citizen will not vote conservative. Counting on a conservative vote would be a very poor strategy indeed--as would counting on a Democratic vote

I don’t think anyone is counting on those kids being conservative

 

[BPPLEE]

This thread is about the nutty notion that the surge of illegal immigration will distort our elections by altering the census count and therefore the apportionment of Congress and the electoral votes. The problem with this as noted in several posts by various posters is that this "surge" came *AFTER* the census of 2020 was taken so it would have exactly *ZERO* impact then we get things from posters about elections after the next census and the minor impact that would have on reapportionment, *AND* we get including from you, stuff about babies born to those immigrants. So I put the question to you again...

What does it matter who their parents were? How are the children of illegal immigrants any different than any other native born US citizen when they become eligible to vote at age 18? Or does it just not matter at all?

If they’re born here they can vote. I never said any different and I don’t think that is likely to ever change

 

[Hans Blaster]

If they’re born here they can vote. I never said any different and I don’t think that is likely to ever change

Then why are you mentioning babies born here?

 

[BPPLEE]

Then why are you mentioning babies born here?

Because they are future voters.