How many Gentiles and Samaritans could have been saved if Jesus would have sent some disciples there?

[BBAS 64]

It appears either Spurgeon is wrong, or Newton ...... (or both?)

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God allows us to struggle with sin our whole lives to convince us until our dying breath of our desperate need of the gospel." -John Newton"

Or more likely Aaron is wrong.... maybe everyone is wrong.

To Errr is human.

In Him,

 

[Hammster]

God, who is not willing that any would perish, gives opportunity for all, while the way is still narrow. Salvation will necessarily involve the faith with repentance, to come to God as Christ made possible. No one was lacking opportunity. Those willing to go that narrow way were brought to it.

The OP shows it differently. There were people to whom Jesus deliberately said to not go to.

 

[Clare73]

It appears either Spurgeon is wrong, or Newton ...... (or both?)

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God allows us to struggle with sin our whole lives to convince us until our dying breath of our desperate need of the gospel." -John Newton"

Which is in complete harmony with Spurgeon.

Sinlessness is nowhere promised.

 

[Guojing]

How could they have been saved if Jesus said to exclude them?

Under the prophetic timetable, gentiles were to be saved only after Israel's salvation (Isaiah 60:1-3, Zechariah 8:23)

 

[Hammster]

Under the prophetic timetable, gentiles were to be saved only after Israel's salvation (Isaiah 60:1-3, Zechariah 8:23)

So the ones in question were excluded.

 

[Guojing]

So the ones in question were excluded.

We are not under the prophetic timetable now (Romans 11:11), praise the Lord.

During the Tribulation, it will be the case again that gentiles are cut off (Romans 11:22), so if you are a gentile that wants to be saved then, you will have to go thru Israel once again.

 

[Hammster]

We are not under the prophetic timetable now (Romans 11:11), praise the Lord.

During the Tribulation, it will be the case again that gentiles are cut off (Romans 11:22), so if you are a gentile that wants to be saved then, you will have to go thru Israel once again.

That really has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[Guojing]

That really has nothing to do with this topic.

It was to further clarify my reply to your post, in case you have the impression we are still under the prophetic program today.

 

[Guojing]

Not that I want go against what you say, but how could Jesus also heal Gentiles, if he was bound to the Law of Moses? He did that on a few occations.

Before Paul, Gentiles who blessed Israel will be blessed by Israel's God, that has always been the case after the nation was formed, as promised to Jacob in Genesis 28:13-15.

And any nation that refused to bless Israel, or made life difficult for her, will also be cursed by God (Numbers 24:9, Deuteronomy 23:3-4), for many generations.

The Roman Centurion blessed Abraham's seed, by building Israel a synagogue. (Luke 7:4-5). That was why Jesus automatically agreed to meet with him and to grant him that miracle.

The Canaanite woman blessed Abraham's seed, Israel, by acknowledging her submission to Israel, that she was indeed a gentile puppy who have the right to be blessed from the bread crumbs falling from the children of Israel's table (Mark 7:28-29)

Both cases, Israel was honored, and Jesus could therefore bless them because they blessed Israel.

 

[zoidar]

Before Paul, Gentiles who blessed Israel will be blessed by Israel's God, that has always been the case after the nation was formed, as promised to Jacob in Genesis 28:13-15.

And any nation that refused to bless Israel, or made life difficult for her, will also be cursed by God (Numbers 24:9, Deuteronomy 23:3-4), for many generations.

The Roman Centurion blessed Abraham's seed, by building Israel a synagogue. (Luke 7:4-5). That was why Jesus automatically agreed to meet with him and to grant him that miracle.

The Canaanite woman blessed Abraham's seed, Israel, by acknowledging her submission to Israel, that she was indeed a gentile puppy who have the right to be blessed from the bread crumbs falling from the children of Israel's table (Mark 7:28-29)

Both cases, Israel was honored, and Jesus could therefore bless them because they blessed Israel.

Thanks for your reply! However, I don't remember my post. It's a year old.

 

[Guojing]

Thanks for your reply! However, I don't remember my post. It's a year old.

That is the beauty of using forum discussions instead of spoken words.

 

[FredVB]

The OP shows it differently. There were people to whom Jesus deliberately said to not go to.

There are various ways, and ministries, to reach others with speaking for the gospel, and abilities for any to do so, even supporting that. And are you teaching to obey all Christ's commandments? He said to do that in the last verse of Matthew 28.

 

[Hammster]

There are various ways, and ministries, to reach others with speaking for the gospel, and abilities for any to do so, even supporting that. And are you teaching to obey all Christ's commandments? He said to do that in the last verse of Matthew 28.

That’s not the focus of the OP.

 

[Josheb]

How many Gentiles and Samaritans could have been saved if Jesus would have sent some disciples there?

Exactly as many as God wanted saved. Not one person less, or one person more. And, technically, disciples were sent; they just weren't sent at the time of Matthew 10.

 

[Hammster]

Exactly as many as God wanted saved. Not one person less, or one person more. And, technically, disciples were sent; they just weren't sent at the time of Matthew 10.

I know. How many died without hearing the gospel because nobody was sent?

 

[Hazelelponi]

These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
— Matthew 10:5-6

So here we have Jesus deliberately telling His disciples to not go to the Gentiles nor the Samaritans. How many Gentiles and Samaritans could have been saved if Jesus would have sent some disciples there?

Does it matter? Jesus came only for the lost sheep of Israel.

We are raised up from the stones as children to Abraham.

 

[Hammster]

Does it matter? Jesus came only for the lost sheep of Israel.

We are raised up from the stones as children to Abraham.

The reason for the thread was because so many folks claim that God loves everyone equally and wants to try to save them all. I’m making an argument against that.

 

[Guojing]

The reason for the thread was because so many folks claim that God loves everyone equally and wants to try to save them all. I’m making an argument against that.

They rely mainly on John 3:16, thanks to the legacy of Billy Graham.

 

[John Mullally]

The reason for the thread was because so many folks claim that God loves everyone equally and wants to try to save them all. I’m making an argument against that.

They rely mainly on John 3:16, thanks to the legacy of Billy Graham.

It's more than just Billy Graham and John 3.16. There is also 1 Timothy 2:4 that tells us that God desires that all people be saved. And it really it is all people, not all types of people, He wants saved. 1 Timothy 4.:10, tells us that God is the Savior of all people. We know that God is not the Savior of those He doesn't want saved.

Jesus “takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29), thus making the atonement available to all, but it will not be applied to you, me or our neighbor if we don’t look to Christ, just like Jesus illustrated at John 3:14/Numbers 21:6-9. His atonement is designed to only apply to those who believe in Him, and if you, me or our neighbor refuse God, then we will perish despite what would have saved us, just like Jesus illustrated at John 3:14/Numbers 21:6-9. No one in Hell can be told: “You had to be there. You had no Savior’s love or atonement for forgiveness, but were born helpless and hopeless due to a cruel, malicious God.” Instead, they’ll be told: “Thou fool! For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.”

 

[Hammster]

It's more than just Billy Graham and John 3.16. There is also 1 Timothy 2:4 that tells us that God desires that all people be saved. And it really it is all people, not all types of people, He wants saved. 1 Timothy 4.:10, tells us that God is the Savior of all people. We know that God is not the Savior of those He doesn't want saved.

Jesus “takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29), thus making the atonement available to all, but it will not be applied to you, me or our neighbor if we don’t look to Christ, just like Jesus illustrated at John 3:14/Numbers 21:6-9. His atonement is designed to only apply to those who believe in Him, and if you, me or our neighbor refuse God, then we will perish despite what would have saved us, just like Jesus illustrated at John 3:14/Numbers 21:6-9. No one in Hell can be told: “You had to be there. You had no Savior’s love or atonement for forgiveness, but were born helpless and hopeless due to a cruel, malicious God.” Instead, they’ll be told: “Thou fool! For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.”

It really won’t be applied if they never hear the gospel like those in Matthew 10.