Gun Deaths among US Children and Teens Rose 50% in Two Years

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Banning guns does not reduce violent gun crimes

The US is too far gone with its gun culture and the sheer number of guns. Gun violence appears to have become normalised - almost acceptable.

But... strictly limiting guns does work if you catch the problem early enough.

My country, Australia, is a prime example.

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The US is too far gone with its gun culture and the sheer number of guns. Gun violence appears to have become normalised - almost acceptable.

But... strictly limiting guns does work if you catch the problem early enough.

My country, Australia, is a prime example.

OB
There was a mass shooting not long ago in your country. So it doesn't work. Australia is also becoming a dictarship where the people are all at the mercy of the government. That is why we Americans have a 2nd Amendment in the first place. Our founders just got done fighting a war for freedom and independence. The first Amendment they had was freedom of speech and religion. The they said you're gonna need a gun in 2A.
No crminals bothering me. They only like gun-free zones. Too much of a risk to try to commit violent gun crimes in an area where everyone will shoot back at you. Not worth it to them. Democrat cities and states are where these violent gun crimes happen. I live in the state of Wisconsin and since 2020 gun sales in this state have broken all time records. We are a carry state which makes it unsafe for crminals. And everyone of us who carry are very proficient with are firearms.
Yes, America is a gun culture. We are inherently a violent nation founded on the violence of war. Our history since our founding is also violent. But we have learned many valuable lessons from our violent history. Take the old west for example. What did we learn from it? Well, it is never good to mix alcohol and guns! I can walk into a bar with a gun but I cannot have a sip of alcohol. If I do get any alcohol on my lips I could lose my concealed carry license and I don't want that so I just don't drink alcohol anymore. Not even a single beer or a shot of alcohol. That is how much I value my right to carry a firearm. I obey the laws to the fine letter. I am responsible and train regularly so that if the day of stupid ever happened that I can take out the shooter in a single shot to the head. But I do not know where stupid is gonna happen next? I cannot know this. I carry for protection because of stupid people who follow mentally poisonous philosophies that drive them crazy enough to murder people.
Trust me when I say concealed carry is working. Crime is coming down some because of cops and citizens taking out the bad guys. The more good people have guns the lower the crime. That is a fact and we're seeing that here in America right now. Just think of the risk of a mass shooting going into a gun zone where everyone is armed. That is risky to do! I can assure you that such a crazy stupid man who wants to go on a shooting spree will not have as much fun as he thinks he will.
By the way, the gun I typically carry is a 45 acp, full size 1911. No over-penetration and no collateral damage. It will get the job done without angering the police who arrive on the scene. We've had no mass shooters where I live. It is quite the risk for them to try that here. They prefer the soft targets.
 
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Thanks Tinker. You're right - there was one and it was over a year ago.

Using a minimal definition of a 'mass' shooting (more than 3 injured) we've averaged less than one a year since 2000.

The last shooting prompted the govt to even further tighten gun registration laws.

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In reference to a recent one. An armed nation is a polite nation. Americans aren't ever giving up their arms so I see no point in this conversation. Best to accept the 2nd Amendment and focus on mental health issues that are the cause of mass shootings.
 
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In reference to a recent one. An armed nation is a polite nation. Americans aren't ever giving up their arms so I see no point in this conversation. Best to accept the 2nd Amendment and focus on mental health issues that are the cause of mass shootings.
I don't think being well armed make one polite.
 
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I don't think being well armed make one polite.
Let me put it to ya this way. Since 2020 people have armed themselves with more guns than was ever sold in our countries history. Guns and ammo now out sell the porn industry. While crime is still very much a serious problem in the U.S., the crime rate has been going down thanks to concealed carry. Many criminals are realizing the new risks of committing gun crimes. They criminals are gradually becoming more polite people. With a armed crminal getting shot every day by a citizen with concealed carry, criminals no longer feel safe. This is why they say "An armed society is a polite society." Criminals, by and large, only like soft targets. They prey on the weak who are defenseless. They are not looking for a challenge. America is proving right now to all the world that the more people carry guns the fewer and fewer criminals will want to chance getting killed. There have already been enough hardened criminals taken out to the point where Trump is way up in the polls. That combined with how the Democrats desire another Holocaust for the Jews and how they have destroyed our economy gives Trump a sure win in 2024. Fewer crminals voting and Democrats failing to anything about anything important. So you just keep believing the lies. America is proving, scientifically, once and for all, that an armed society will reduce crime even in a big country like America. We citizens have had enough. Buying and owning a gun is the single most popular tread in America right now. Guns are popular to the point where any politician running on gun control will most certainly lose. Even if those politicians insult our guns they will lose. Guns are once again at the top of American pop culture as they should be. This is why I think its pointless to even hold such nonsensical conversations. Guns won and they won big. Do you have any idea how many court cases the anti-gun people lost last year? Even in a fascist run state like California guns won big! If you walk into any one of the local gun stores where I live you will find it hard to move inside there because of all the people. And yet Democrats are oblivious to all this. With guns out selling the porn industry, do you think its wise for a politician to push for gun control? Also competitive shooting is now a top sport in America. Guns are more popular then Democrats. With that said, Trump is the next President of the U.S. No anti-gun politician will ever be able to win ever again. And you're hearing this from an average American who only owns 30 guns. Outstanding citizens own 100 or more guns.
 
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Let me put it to ya this way. Since 2020 people have armed themselves with more guns than was ever sold in our countries history. Guns and ammo now out sell the inappropriate content industry. While crime is still very much a serious problem in the U.S., the crime rate has been going down thanks to concealed carry. Many criminals are realizing the new risks of committing gun crimes. They criminals are gradually becoming more polite people. With a armed crminal getting shot every day by a citizen with concealed carry, criminals no longer feel safe. This is why they say "An armed society is a polite society." Criminals, by and large, only like soft targets. They prey on the weak who are defenseless. They are not looking for a challenge. America is proving right now to all the world that the more people carry guns the fewer and fewer criminals will want to chance getting killed. There have already been enough hardened criminals taken out to the point where Trump is way up in the polls. That combined with how the Democrats desire another Holocaust for the Jews and how they have destroyed our economy gives Trump a sure win in 2024. Fewer crminals voting and Democrats failing to anything about anything important. So you just keep believing the lies. America is proving, scientifically, once and for all, that an armed society will reduce crime even in a big country like America. We citizens have had enough. Buying and owning a gun is the single most popular tread in America right now. Guns are popular to the point where any politician running on gun control will most certainly lose. Even if those politicians insult our guns they will lose. Guns are once again at the top of American pop culture as they should be. This is why I think its pointless to even hold such nonsensical conversations. Guns won and they won big. Do you have any idea how many court cases the anti-gun people lost last year? Even in a fascist run state like California guns won big! If you walk into any one of the local gun stores where I live you will find it hard to move inside there because of all the people. And yet Democrats are oblivious to all this. With guns out selling the inappropriate content industry, do you think its wise for a politician to push for gun control? Also competitive shooting is now a top sport in America. Guns are more popular then Democrats. With that said, Trump is the next President of the U.S. No anti-gun politician will ever be able to win ever again. And you're hearing this from an average American who only owns 30 guns. Outstanding citizens own 100 or more guns.

Learn how to use paragraphs. Maybe then I'll read your rant about how guns make you feel.
 
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Learn how to use paragraphs. Maybe then I'll read your rant about how guns make you feel.
Sorry but the new format of this site is not making my ability to indent very easy. Plus, if you read solely to see how beautful words and grammar are then its no wonder you are misled so easily.
 
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Sorry but the new format of this site is not making my ability to indent very easy. Plus, if you read solely to see how beautful words and grammar are then its no wonder you are misled so easily.

I tried reading one of your long posts. It was a chore and not really worth it. Shorter posts would also help.
 
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Sorry but the new format of this site is not making my ability to indent very easy. Plus, if you read solely to see how beautful words and grammar are then its no wonder you are misled so easily.
I'm going to agree with Hans.

Your posts are full of irrelevant comment making them excessively long and hard to follow. Your thinking is sloppy and all over the place.

You also need to break the text up into digestible lumps by using white space. Press the Enter button occasionally to create paragraphs.

You have two choices. You can be annoyed at the criticism and remain unreadable and ignored, or you can accept it and be a better, more interesting poster.

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I'm going to agree with Hans.

Your posts are full of irrelevant comment making them excessively long and hard to follow. Your thinking is sloppy and all over the place.

You also need to break the text up into digestible lumps by using white space. Press the Enter button occasionally to create paragraphs.

You have two choices. You can be annoyed at the criticism and remain unreadable and ignored, or you can accept it and be a better, more interesting poster.

OB
If reading posts here is too much for you then perhaps you need to go on Twitter and just keep to Tweet size comments. This is a forum...not the Twitter feed. Also, ad hominem attacks against me go against the rules here. You might want to read the rules over since this forum is super strict on how you reply to others.
Though as I said before, I'm not finding this new format easy for indentation. And I'm not gonna spend all day fighting with the format. But if all you have are grammar arguments then I'll take the win.
 
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Though as I said before, I'm not finding this new format easy for indentation. And I'm not gonna spend all day fighting with the format. But if all you have are grammar arguments then I'll take the win.

Just hit enter twice to break a new paragraph.

It's not real hard.
 
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Just hit enter twice to break a new paragraph.

It's not real hard.
Sorry but that is not working like it does on every other site. I'm having issues here. If that is the only argument you have to defend erroneous positions then why bother holding those positions if looking for grammar errors is your only defense? Seriously, get over it. I will not reply to anymore of these grammar rants.
 
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Sorry but that is not working like it does on every other site. I'm having issues here. If that is the only argument you have to defend erroneous positions then why bother holding those positions if looking for grammar errors is your only defense? Seriously, get over it. I will not reply to anymore of these grammar rants.

There is a reason I have replied to other posts from you after just a few sentences. They were already irrelevant or off topic by then.
 
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There is a reason I have replied to other posts from you after just a few sentences. They were already irrelevant or off topic by then.
The topic is gun deaths. My comments are not off-topic. Nice try though. I guess you would consider a one sided conversation against the 2nd Amendment to be on-topic. I do not see discussion that way. I'm a Golden Eagle of the NRA and I will defend the 2nd Amendment even if that gets me banned from this site. Guns cannot commit a single crime. You lay a gun on the table and it does nothing. For a crime to be committed it takes a certain frame of mind that crosses over from morality to immoral thoughts. So its obvious that our problem of gun crimes has to do with peoples beliefs and how those beliefs make them crazy enough to murder people. There is penty of mind poison out there, especially on the internet that so many people trust as one would trust God. But the internet is not God. Its a cesspool of filth and misinformation which explains why people have gone crazy in the world today.
Case and point. If Jim Jones, who was a Marxist, had access to the internet, just think how many more people would have drank the kool aid. Likewise with Charles Manson and other psychotic individuals like David Koresh, Hitler, Stalin or even Muhammad. But there is another player in the world of misinformation which is marijuana. So many people using this harmful drug and its not the 1970s anymore. The stuff they put into marijuana today causes serious psychosis and mental problems. But nobody wants to address this reality and because our leaders no longer live in reality we will have crime waves that never stop. But don't blame gun owners who obey the laws. We aren't the ones who lost our morale. Better to focus on the real issues which lies within the mind and soul.
 
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The topic is gun deaths. My comments are not off-topic. Nice try though.
I mean, I suppose you write something relevant buried in the noise. Let's try this post...

I guess you would consider a one sided conversation against the 2nd Amendment to be on-topic. I do not see discussion that way.
meta comment about debate. Not quite on topic.
I'm a Golden Eagle of the NRA and I will defend the 2nd Amendment even if that gets me banned from this site.
Not necessary information, but not also necessarily off topic.
Guns cannot commit a single crime. You lay a gun on the table and it does nothing. For a crime to be committed it takes a certain frame of mind that crosses over from morality to immoral thoughts.
Crimes are about breaking the law, not violating moral standards. (These are occasionally the same, but not always.)
So its obvious that our problem of gun crimes has to do with peoples beliefs and how those beliefs make them crazy enough to murder people.
Are murders the biggest problem with gun crimes? Then again we could ask about the title of the thread: are all child gun deaths murder? (We'll see how these beliefs come in, but I am skeptical...)
There is penty of mind poison out there, especially on the internet that so many people trust as one would trust God.
True, but how does this relate to child gun deaths?
But the internet is not God. Its a cesspool of filth and misinformation which explains why people have gone crazy in the world today.
There are many things on the internet. Not all are filth and misinformation.
Case and point. If Jim Jones, who was a Marxist, had access to the internet, just think how many more people would have drank the kool aid.
Are you claiming more people would have been shot at Jonestown if there was the internet. (Only a few people were shot to death including 5 from an investigative delegation. (Among the dead were a Congressman and at TV new cameraman.) Jones also shot himself. Mass poisoning by cults aren't a very large source of gunshot deaths by children.
Likewise with Charles Manson and other psychotic individuals like David Koresh, Hitler, Stalin or even Muhammad.
Now Charlie and Koresh did shoot people (again a couple of cults), but this is getting far afield (unless your point is about dangerous religious ideas) and then you diverge into non-Americans.
But there is another player in the world of misinformation which is marijuana.
Marijuana causes misinformation? People are misinformed about marijuana? What are you getting at?
So many people using this harmful drug and its not the 1970s anymore. The stuff they put into marijuana today causes serious psychosis and mental problems. But nobody wants to address this reality and because our leaders no longer live in reality we will have crime waves that never stop.
We have crime waves powered by marijuana induced psychoses? What? Is that what is shooting our kids these days?
But don't blame gun owners who obey the laws. We aren't the ones who lost our morale.
I'm not interested in your morale. Perhaps your morals, but I'm more concerned about the connection of gun owners to reality at this point in the post. Do they generally share your views on these things?
Better to focus on the real issues which lies within the mind and soul.
Minds do commit all of the crimes. As for souls, I don't even think those are possible.
 
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I mean, I suppose you write something relevant buried in the noise. Let's try this post...


meta comment about debate. Not quite on topic.

Not necessary information, but not also necessarily off topic.

Crimes are about breaking the law, not violating moral standards. (These are occasionally the same, but not always.)

Are murders the biggest problem with gun crimes? Then again we could ask about the title of the thread: are all child gun deaths murder? (We'll see how these beliefs come in, but I am skeptical...)

True, but how does this relate to child gun deaths?

There are many things on the internet. Not all are filth and misinformation.

Are you claiming more people would have been shot at Jonestown if there was the internet. (Only a few people were shot to death including 5 from an investigative delegation. (Among the dead were a Congressman and at TV new cameraman.) Jones also shot himself. Mass poisoning by cults aren't a very large source of gunshot deaths by children.

Now Charlie and Koresh did shoot people (again a couple of cults), but this is getting far afield (unless your point is about dangerous religious ideas) and then you diverge into non-Americans.

Marijuana causes misinformation? People are misinformed about marijuana? What are you getting at?

We have crime waves powered by marijuana induced psychoses? What? Is that what is shooting our kids these days?

I'm not interested in your morale. Perhaps your morals, but I'm more concerned about the connection of gun owners to reality at this point in the post. Do they generally share your views on these things?

Minds do commit all of the crimes. As for souls, I don't even think those are possible.
If you are gonna manipulate my words and twist everything then I am done with this discussion. You said nothing worth posting comment to. Just a bunch of manupulative comments. Sorry but I have no time for that.
 
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Um, I just said life before all the restrictions was peaceful, how does that equate to freedom to die? (I believe 9/11 was an inside job). Have you ever lived in the 90's?
And all credibility was just thrown out the window...
 
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And all credibility was just thrown out the window...
Be that as it may, prior to the 1960s anyone in the US could buy a firearm via mail order with no questions asked. There was far easier access to firearms then than now, and that was the case up to that point. Asking what changed is a legitimate question, for there are more restrictive laws now than then.
 
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