Age of the earth.

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believe that Genesis 1-11 is an accurate account of historic events.
Genesis 1-11 is very accurate. Hundreds of thousands of science books verify that.

In trying to understand the flow of time here, you have to remember that the entire Six Days is described in 31 sentences. The Six Days of Genesis, which have given people so many headaches are confined to 31 sentences! At MIT, in the Hayden library, there are about 50,000 books that deal with the development of the universe: cosmology, chemistry, thermodynamics, paleontology, archaeology, the high-energy physics of creation. Up the river at Harvard, at the Weidner library, they probably have 200,000 books on these same topics. The Bible gives us 31 sentences. Don't expect that by a simple reading of those sentences, you'll know every detail that is held within the text. It's obvious that we have to dig deeper to get the information out.

250,000 books at Harvard and MIT and NONE of them contradict the Bible in any way.

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"Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

Every book in the world would only begin to explain Genesis chapter one. We will spend our whole life just to start, just to begin to understand.
 
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If the earth was billions of years old, the moon woud no longer be in earth's orbit.
I have put a lot of study into this. The Moon is moving away from Earth at about 1.49 inches (3.78 centimeters) per year. And as it moves away, its orbital period increases and Earth's rotation slows down.

The tidal locking of the Moon and the gradual slowing down of the Earth's rotation are connected through the gravitational interaction and the transfer of angular momentum between the Earth and the Moon.

My son even came up with a very simple formula. This can all be understood with fifth grade math.
 
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There is no science involved in calculating the age of the earth. It is speculation based on unprovable assumptions that can be refuted.
Then refute it. In fifth grade math they teach us how to check or verify our results. There are many ways we can verify the age of the earth. Of course, geology is the most popular. But astrophysics tells us the age of the entire universe. All of science lines up with the six days we find in Genesis.
 
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Sure, and countless highly educated people deny the very existence of God. I do not care how intelligent or educated people are. God's word is God's word.
I agree that the Bible is the word of God, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the age of earth
 
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Just one simple statement that no one I know of has refuted: the moon is moving away from the earth. If the earth was billions of years old, the moon woud no longer be in earth's orbit.
It is true that the earth is pushing the moon away from it at the rate of 3.78 centimeters (about 1.5 inches) each year. It is also true that the moon will not be able leave its orbit around the earth until it gets to be an additional 189,000 km (117,000 miles) away. At the present rate, that will take about another 5 billion years.
 
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Genesis 1-11 is very accurate. Hundreds of thousands of science books verify that.
These claims are, of course, untrue. Genesis 1-11 is a unique body of literature written a genre of literature that is not found anywhere else in the Bible. However, that genre of literature is found elsewhere. Genesis 1-11 is a series of stories written in a genre of literature very similar to the genre of literature in which ancient epic tales, sagas, myths, and legends are written.

The Hebrew Masoretic text of Genesis 1:6-8 expressly describes the creation of a flat earth covered with a dome that “separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.”

1:6 ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים׃
1:7 ויעשׂ אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשׁר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשׁר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
1:8 ויקרא אלהים לרקיע שׁמים ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום שׁני׃

The Septuagint concurs:

Gen 1:6 Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός Γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
Gen 1:7 καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
Gen 1:8 καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

The Latin Vulgate also concurs:

6. dixit quoque Deus fiat firmamentum in medio aquarum et dividat aquas ab aquis
7. et fecit Deus firmamentum divisitque aquas quae erant sub firmamento ab his quae erant super firmamentum et factum est ita
8. vocavitque Deus firmamentum caelum et factum est vespere et mane dies secundus

The Wycliffe Bible also concurs:

6 And God seide, The firmament be maad in the myddis of watris, and departe watrisfro watris.
7And God made the firmament, and departide the watristhat weren vndurthe firmament fro these watris that weren on the firmament; and it was don so.
8 And God clepide the firmament, heuene. And the euentid and morwetid was maad, the secounde dai.

The best Roman Catholic translation in English (NAB) also concurs:

6. Then God said, "Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other." And so it happened:
7. God made the dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
8. God called the dome "the sky." Evening came, and morning followed-the second day.

The best Protestant translation in English (NRSV) also concurs:

6. And God said, "Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

Even the KJV of 1611 concurs:

6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament; and diuided the waters, which were vnder the firmament, from the waters, which were aboue the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament, Heauen: and the euening and the morning were the second day.

Needless to say, as more and more Christians came to believe that the earth is round rather than flat, they invented out of thin air a new definition for the word firmament—but that new definition in no way changes what the inspired word of God really says.

The Lord God is not in subjection to anyone or anyone’s preferences, and He was free to give His people His word in genres of literature in which they could understand the truths contained in the Bible. The Israelite people did not need to know the age or the shape of the earth, and God spoke to them through His word within their cultural beliefs.
 
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In heaven, we call mankind's wisdom and knowledge (including science)
abominations.
Falsely and maliciously labeling the fundamental truths that God Himself has chosen to share with us through the natural sciences is to make a mockery of God, His character, His wisdom, and His purposes.
 
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Falsely and maliciously labeling the fundamental truths that God Himself has chosen to share with us through the natural sciences is to make a mockery of God, His character, His wisdom, and His purposes.
Yet God Himself Says
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But He said to them, You are the ones who declare yourselves just and upright before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted and highly thought of among men is detestable and abhorrent (an abomination) in the sight of God.


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List Of All Abominations In The Bible

Proverbs 6 reveals a list of seven things that God calls an abomination: "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows...
 
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You forgot the Nothing to Adam.
The male and female God made on the sixth day was not Adam and Eve. God gave Adam the Garden of Eden. The male and female in chapter one were given the whole earth.

Science calls them hunter-gathers and Eden was a food producer. Populations exploded when man began to produce food and could feed a lot of people. Science knows more about this transition, the only thing in the Bible is one word and that has to do with the life that God blew into Adam.

A lot of books could be written about the transition people went through 6,000 years ago. A very rapid transition as if it all happened in a weeks time. I wonder if our transition from Church age to Kingdom age will be as rapid. Most people believe there will be 7 years of tribulation to separate the two ages.

What is interesting is when Cain says: Whoever finds me will kill me. Genesis 4:13-15

  1. נִשְׁמַת (Nishmat): This word is derived from the root "נשמה" (neshamah), which means "breath" or "breath of life."
  2. חַיִּים (Chayim): This word means "life" in Hebrew, particularly referring to a vibrant, living state.
The phrase "וַיְהִי הָאָדָם לְנֶפֶשׁ חַיָּה" (vayehi ha-adam lenefesh chayyah) from Genesis 2:7 can be translated to "and the man became a living soul," (KJV) referring to Adam coming to life through the breath of God.

Genesis 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living ...​

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Genesis 1:24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.”

Life in Chapter one is חַיִּים (Chayim)
 
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Yet God Himself Says
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But He said to them, You are the ones who declare yourselves just and upright before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted and highly thought of among men is detestable and abhorrent (an abomination) in the sight of God.


and again, even more

bestofchristianity.com › list-of-all-abominations-in-the-bible

List Of All Abominations In The Bible

Proverbs 6 reveals a list of seven things that God calls an abomination: "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows...
These Scriptures have no relevance of any kind to the men and women who are investing their lives in helping each one of us to better understand and better appreciate God’s infinitely wonderful creation.
 
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Scientists are basing their dating methods on assumptions as if on week one of creation everything should’ve appeared as if they were one week old. They don’t expect anything to have any sort of age to it when it was created but Adam & Eve weren’t created as embryos, zygotes, fetuses, or even newborns, they were created as adults with the abilities to speak and comprehend speech. They didn’t have to acquire those abilities over time.
This right here.
 
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You forgot the Nothing to Adam.
Adam is chapter two in the Bible. You have all of chapter one before Adam. Remember God rested on the seventh day. So Adam was created on the eighth day. At least from my perspective. God has a pattern that He follows.
 
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