The controversial Harrison Butker

GoldenBoy89 said:

They can be. Nobody is immune to ignorance. The person from the article I quoted is certainly embracing their bigotry (homophobia, anti-trans and racist) and trying to paint it as a good thing.

I don’t think that person is really representative of most Christians. This article is pulled from a right wing website though. This does represent at least part of the right’s position on these things.

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Fair enough.

Vambram said:

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Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker gave a commencement speech at Benedictine College — and the content of that speech has blown many on the right away, as well as drawn the ire of many on the left. “Our own nation is led by a man who publicly and proudly proclaims his Catholic faith, but...

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Harrison Butker's Jersey Among The Most Popular Selling Following College Address

Harrison Butker's jersey is among the most popular selling jerseys following his college address about women and marriage.

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He can have an opinion about his faith. But it private business. But don't force his church rules on us.

iluvatar5150 said:

Seriously. Where's the "shut up and play football" crowd now?

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I came here to say this.

Vambram said:

He isn't forcing his church rules on us. I don't believe that he desires to force his beliefs upon anyone.

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Kinda like respectfully kneeling whilst our National Anthem calls the fans away from the beer and nachos?

Fantine said:

And as Whoopi.Goldberg said, if Buttger can preach religious extremism at colleges, why can't Colin Kapernick exercise his freedom of speech.

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My thinking here is this.

Firstly, Butker was asked to give an honorary speech at a private Christian university, a university that espouses a faith quite similar or identical to Butker's himself.

It was on his own dime, in his own time. It was a speech given nearly a week prior to anyone in media even catching onto the fact he gave a speech anywhere at all about anything.

Whereas Kapernick did it at the start of the game literally on the time and the dime of the NFL.

As for me, I have no idea why anyone at all at the NFL would disavow what was said in a player's private time amongst their own faith community, but not disavow what is done on the field during a game when it expresses hatred for the very people that provided him the opportunities in life he was clearly blessed with.

And then, if the NFL is criticizing publicly what a player said in private amongst their own faith communities, why then aren't they publicly critical of the criminality found among their other players, since their private lives are open to public scrutiny by the NFL?

Oh that's right, it's just heterosexual white Christian men who are openly hated and harassed these days.

Maybe, just maybe, the NFL leadership could use some Christianity in their lives, and I don't know, just allow their players to have private lives without their input.

All my young life my dad worked for a Jewish man and his family. He never once felt the need to comment on the fact we had a different faith from him - and we were close.

Butker's faith is very different from the 1500 years of Benedictine spirituality.

It would be like comparing a 1960's telephone to the Samsung AI.

The sisters themselves denounced his speech, both fir its political and cultural content.

Do you know in the middle ages St. Hilda and others were abbesses supervising both men's and women's monasteries, and they vowed obedience to their abbess?

This entitled pro-athlete earns $4,055,000 a year. If he gave up $2 million of his salary, 1000 lower-level employees of the Kansas City Chiefs--groundskeepers, maintenance, concessions, ticket takers, office staff--could get $1 more an hour, based on 2000 hours of work a year. If he really wants families to be able to support themselves on one income, and if he really wants to give women an incentive to stay home with their children, let him put his money where his mouth is.

Athlete's salaries are obscenely excessive--ever since Michael Jordan got more money for being in ads for Nike than the combined salaries of every single Chinese employee making the Air Jordans.

Who knows? Ultra-conservative companies like Chic Fil A or Hobby Lobby may want him to be their spokesmen for a few mil more a year. If he really wants stay at home Moms he could donate his endorsement fees to the lower paid staffers, too.

Fantine said:

Butker's faith is very different from the 1500 years of Benedictine spirituality.

It would be like comparing a 1960's telephone to the Samsung AI.

The sisters themselves denounced his speech, both fir its political and cultural content.

Do you know that in the middle ages St. Hilda and others were abbesses supervising both men's and women's monasteries, and they vowed obedience to their abbess?

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This is his full speech: so you understand all that was said.

I checked out his philanthropies. The first one is a pet project of the right-wing sex-trafficking conspiracy theorists.

The second, Foster Outriders, gives scholarships to private schools to poor families. As long as the private schools are not indoctrination centers for radical fundamentalist points of view, I'm not opposed, but given his speech, I am wary of the private schools he might support.

The second helps a Columbine survivor who wants anti-bullying and kindness campaigns. This is a good project as long as it isn't a tool of NRA extremists to lull people into believing that lack of gun reform isn't a huge part of the problem.

And with endorsements from four businesses and his own men's clothing business, he should be able to spare something for KC Chief staffers who want to be able to be one income families.

Fantine said:

I checked out his philanthropies. The first one is a pet project of the right-wing sex-trafficking conspiracy theorists.

The second, Foster Outriders, gives scholarships to private schools to poor families. As long as the private schools are not indoctrination centers for radical fundamentalist points of view, I'm not opposed, but given his speech, I am wary of the private schools he might support.

The second helps a Columbine survivor who wants anti-bullying and kindness campaigns. This is a good project as long as it isn't a tool of NRA extremists to lull people into believing that lack of gun reform isn't a huge part of the problem.

And with endorsements from four businesses and his own men's clothing business, he should be able to spare something for KC Chief staffers who want to be able to be one income families.

OSDB - Harrison Butker - Kansas City Chiefs

Harrison Butker was born on July 14th, 1995, in Decatur, Georgia. He is a kicker in the NFL. He attended The Westminster Schools; he played on the football team. He holds the school record for the longest field goal (53 yards) and also...

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Two questions, the one I'm most interested in the answers to is the first:

I'm serious, exactly what was radical or concerning in what he said?

What makes you think he owes anything to Chief's employees?

Hazelelponi said:

As for me, I have no idea why anyone at all at the NFL would disavow what was said in a player's private time amongst their own faith community, but not disavow what is done on the field during a game when it expresses hatred for the very people that provided him the opportunities in life he was clearly blessed with.

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That's an odd definition of hatred.

iluvatar5150 said:

That's an odd definition of hatred.

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Perhaps if you use my husbands definition perhaps.

The reason we stand for the anthem is because we don't worship the state, bending the knee is reserved for God alone in the American psyche.

So when Kapernick started kneeling my husband said he's worshipping the government.

So, using my husband's definition it's an extreme or obscene love of state that Kapernick has.

But since he does it to express his hatred of it I don't ascribe my husband's definition to Kapernick - though it's also true.

Vambram said:

NFL star’s based anti-Biden, anti-abortion speech ENRAGES the left | Blaze Media

Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker gave a commencement speech at Benedictine College — and the content of that speech has blown many on the right away, as well as drawn the ire of many on the left. “Our own nation is led by a man who publicly and proudly proclaims his Catholic faith, but...

www.theblaze.com

Harrison Butker's Jersey Among The Most Popular Selling Following College Address

Harrison Butker's jersey is among the most popular selling jerseys following his college address about women and marriage.

www.outkick.com

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"Based"? Le sigh. I can already tell what kind of article and/or person that is because they use that term.

Hazelelponi said:

Perhaps if you use my husbands definition perhaps.

The reason we stand for the anthem is because we don't worship the state, bending the knee is reserved for God alone in the American psyche.

So when Kapernick started kneeling my husband said he's worshipping the government.

So, using my husband's definition it's an extreme or obscene love of state that Kapernick has.

But since he does it to express his hatred of it I don't ascribe my husband's definition to Kapernick - though it's also true.

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Your husband’s position is equally odd. The standard practice during a national anthem is to stand, but somehow kneeling in protest is even more reverent?

Instead of inventing your own interpretations, you both could just have listened to his explanation of what he was trying to communicate.

iluvatar5150 said:

but somehow kneeling in protest is even more reverent?

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Yep. That's why it never bothered my husband. He figured the guy can worship what he wants during ball games he doesn't watch.

There's a saying "Stand for the flag, kneel for the Cross" it's a saying that's been around all my life.

Kneeling is a sign of worship its why American Christians won't kneel for anything like the flag. It stems from American puritanism I'm sure since Brits and the like kneel for anything.

Hazelelponi said:

Firstly, Butker was asked to give an honorary speech at a private Christian university, a university that espouses a faith quite similar or identical to Butker's himself.

It was on his own dime, in his own time. It was a speech given nearly a week prior to anyone in media even catching onto the fact he gave a speech anywhere at all about anything.

Whereas Kapernick did it at the start of the game literally on the time and the dime of the NFL.

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I agree on that point, the context of the two actions are quite different.

However, within the Benedectine community, his remarks about the role of women was not well received:

The Benedictine Sisters of Mount St. Scholastica spoke out against Harrison Butker’s controversial graduation speech at Benedictine College, saying they “reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic” and “the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman.”

During the commencement speech at the Catholic school in Atchison, Kansas, the Kansas City Chiefs kicker addressed gender ideologies and said a woman’s most important title is “homemaker.” He also referred to Pride Month as an example of the “deadly sins,” and said he wanted the graduating class to prevent political leaders from interfering with social issues that impact their relationship with the church.

In a statement released Friday, the sisters of Mount St. Scholastica said they “do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.

“Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. … We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers.”

wing2000 said:

I agree on that point, the context of the two actions are quite different.

However, within the Benedectine community, his remarks about the role of women was not well received:

The Benedictine Sisters of Mount St. Scholastica spoke out against Harrison Butker’s controversial graduation speech at Benedictine College, saying they “reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic” and “the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman.”

During the commencement speech at the Catholic school in Atchison, Kansas, the Kansas City Chiefs kicker addressed gender ideologies and said a woman’s most important title is “homemaker.” He also referred to Pride Month as an example of the “deadly sins,” and said he wanted the graduating class to prevent political leaders from interfering with social issues that impact their relationship with the church.

In a statement released Friday, the sisters of Mount St. Scholastica said they “do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.

“Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. … We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers.”

Benedictine Sisters denounce Harrison Butker's speech

The Benedictine Sisters released a statement rejecting the kicker's assertion that being a homemaker was a woman's highest calling.

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Okay but I don't get it....

Even if a woman goes after a career the center of her life is still her family.

Family is ultimately the center of all life, and women actually love being mothers and wives.

I'm a woman and I would give the same advice to women today. Why should women be convinced by this new feminism that pervades literally all of our lives now that says women can't be mothers or that it's not important - because it is.

What he said wasn't shocking to anyone, anywhere 25 years ago.

Why shouldn't women embrace their womanhood and motherhood if that's in their soul? Why should they be convinced it's worthless?

As a woman I am so sick of feminists constantly degrading women.

Hazelelponi said:

Yep. That's why it never bothered my husband. He figured the guy can worship what he wants during ball games he doesn't watch.

There's a saying "Stand for the flag, kneel for the Cross" it's a saying that's been around all my life.

Kneeling is a sign of worship its why American Christians won't kneel for anything like the flag. It stems from American puritanism I'm sure since Brits and the like kneel for anything.

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Did your husband propose to you on one knee?

I love this reversal on Kaepernick that by kneeling he’s somehow showing too much respect.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Did your husband propose to you on one knee?

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No... Lol

Why on earth would he do that?