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What happens during the 1,000 year reign of Christ, and beyond?

jonojim1337 said:
The Saints are given authority to judge during the 1000 year reign, but the final judgement, or the second resurrection, is at the end of the chapter, or after the 1000 year reign.
Okay, so you were referring to the final judgment, and not the judgment that takes place during the 1,000 years.
So then, tell me a little about the 1,000 years. What takes place during that 1,000 years, and can Isaiah 65:17-25 fit into there?

Why do you call the final judgment the second resurrection though?

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Because some will rise to shame and destruction and some to everlasting life.

The new heaven and the new earth are after the final judgement. Revelation 21 NLT

During the 1000 year reign, Satan is locked so that he cannot deceive the nations. The Beast, the prophet and the harlot are destroyed.

If the new heavens are after the final judgment, when does 2 Peter 3:12, 13 take place, and does Christ's 1,000 year rule not begin after Armageddon, with a new heaven and new earth?

jonojim1337 said:
I think the clue being given here is that the Beast and the false prophet are overcome by "the first resurrection", but Satan is only defeated by "the second resurrection".

I think you mean they are overcome at Armageddon. Revelation 19:17-21
Is that right?
 
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What happens during the 1,000 year reign of Christ, and beyond?
Assumes the prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) in Revelation are literal. . .

I see Rev 20 as figurative of the church age, where the
"first" resurrection is from eternal death into eternal life in the new birth (Jn 3:3-5),
saints judge the world (1 Co 6:2),
"second" resurrection (1 Th 4:16-17) and new heavens and new earth (2 Pe 3:12-13) are at the end of time.
 
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Are you serious? Can't you see that the Beast and the false prophet, after destroying the harlot, are thrown into the lake of fire at the first resurrection, the first fruits, then, after the 1,000 year reign, the heavens are rolled up, earth is moved away, the sea is no more, and there is a new heaven and a new earth, and the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven?

Actually, the New Jerusalem doesn't even come down to earth before Satan joins the Beast and the false prophet in the lake of fire at the second resurrection.

Which goes to say, that if the individual wants to enter Heaven, the harlot needs to be destroyed, the Beast and the False Prophet thrown into the lake of fire, Christ rule for 1000 years, and finally Satan thrown into the Lake of Fire, before the bride can meet the bridegroom.

That's alot to do.
 
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Are you serious? Can't you see that the Beast and the false prophet, after destroying the harlot, are thrown into the lake of fire at the first resurrection, the first fruits, then, after the 1,000 year reign, the heavens are rolled up, earth is moved away, the sea is no more, and there is a new heaven and a new earth, and the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven?
I was assuming that you were taking the scriptures in the order in which they were written.
Correct my mistake please, if that is not the case.
So, are you saying that Revelation 19:19-21 takes place after Revelation 20:4-6?

It might help if you show me scripture with your comments. Could you get into that habit.
Then I might be able to see what you are seeing, rather than what you are saying.

Actually, the New Jerusalem doesn't even come down to earth before Satan joins the Beast and the false prophet in the lake of fire at the second resurrection.
Which goes to say, that if the individual wants to enter Heaven, the harlot needs to be destroyed, the Beast and the False Prophet thrown into the lake of fire, Christ rule for 1000 years, and finally Satan thrown into the Lake of Fire, before the bride can meet the bridegroom.
This is what I was observing, that you are taking the scriptures in sequence of how they are written. Is that the case?

That's alot to do.
Yes. Quite a lot.
Is the harlot destroyed before Armageddon, or after?
 
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This should really have been the OP.
What we see in the Bible...

Events leading up to the 1,000 year reign of Christ
  • Revelation 13:1-8 - The Wild beast makes it's appearance.
  • Revelation 16:13-16 - The Wild beast influences the kings to get ready for battle with the King of Kings.
  • Revelation 17:3-18 - The Harlot's influence over the Wild Beast, and people of every nation is exposed, and God uses the Wild Beast to destroy the Harlot.
Now the Battle of Armageddon begins...
Revelation 19:19-21 - 19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.​

After the battle of Armageddon is fought, and won... by the King of Kings, of course, the Leader of all God's enemies - Satan the Devil - receives attention... The Devil is imprisoned.
Revelation 20:1-3 - Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.​

What does John then see?
Revelation 20:4-6 - 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​
We have arrived. The 1,000 year rule begins.
Christ's 1,000 year rule begins after the Devil is bound.

What takes place during the 1,000 years? is the question.
We know these 1,000 years are literal, or if not, extremely long - a day from God's point of view - Matthew 11:22-24; Matthew 12:36, 41, 42; Lu 10:13-15; Luke 11:31, 32. The 1,000 years are also used in contrast to a short period - "a little while" Revelation 20:3.

Before telling us what takes place during the 1,000 years, John tells us what will take place after the 1,000 years
Revelation 20:7-10 - 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


Then John tells us what takes place during the 1,000 years.
Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.​

With the former heavens, and former earth gone, ( This does not refer to the literal heavens and earth. The sea from which the dead come out, is literal - the actual sea, in which dead people were laid.
If there is no literal earth, there can be no literal sea, for the dead to come out. Nor the grave (Hades) which some people say is deep under the earth. ) the resurrection now takes place.

The judgment also takes place during the 1,000 years.

This includes persons mentioned earlier, in the scriptures referenced - Matthew 11:22-24; Matthew 12:36, 41, 42; Lu 10:13-15; Luke 11:31, 32 - The Queen of Sheba; The people of Nineveh, and Tyre and Sidon, People who lived in the lands of Sodom and Gomorrah, and millions of other dead, who did not come to know God.

These are the unrighteous - the dead - that would come to life, after the 1,000 years. The righteous dead will also be resurrected.
Acts 24:15
I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.

This is the hour spoken of by Jesus at John 5:28, 29
Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and will come forth--those having done good to the resurrection of life, and those having done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
We have reached the judgment.
Those who live by the things written in the books that were opened, will be judged favorably, and their names will be written in the book of life.

On the other hand, if they do not live by the things written in the books that were opened, their names will not be found in the book of life, and they will receive the second death, where destruction is permanent for Death, Hades, the Wild Beast, the false Prophet, and Satan the Devil, and his angels.

What will they be doing during those 1,000 years, though... sitting around doing nothing?
Isaiah 65:21-25
21 They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.​
22 No longer will they build houses for others to inhabit, nor plant for others to eat. For as is the lifetime of a tree, so will be the days of My people, and My chosen ones will fully enjoy the work of their hands. of their hands.​
23 They will not labor in vain or bear children doomed to disaster; for they will be a people blessed by the LORD - they and their descendants with them.​
24 Even before they call, I will answer, and while they are still speaking, I will hear.​
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but the food of the serpent will be dust. They will neither harm nor destroy on all My holy mountain,” says the LORD.​

This sends our mind back to Eden, doesn't it?
Yes, during the 1,000 years Paradise will be restored.
People will be living in peace, without the Devil around, and "the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found." Psalm 37:10
God's will for the earth, and mankind, is being fulfilled.
 
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What happens after Christ crushes the Devil, in the lake of fire, along with the last enemy - death?
Beyond the 1,000 years...

After Christ completes all that God willed him to do...
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
24 Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power.
25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27 For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him.
28 And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.

God uses the Kingdom
Revelation 21:1-4
1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

God's will is accomplished.
Ephesians 1:9, 10
9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.
 
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I was assuming that you were taking the scriptures in the order in which they were written.
Correct my mistake please, if that is not the case.
So, are you saying that Revelation 19:19-21 takes place after Revelation 20:4-6?

How can the judgement of the beast happen after the new heaven and new earth, when he is judged even before the 1000 year reign begins?

It might help if you show me scripture with your comments. Could you get into that habit.
Then I might be able to see what you are seeing, rather than what you are saying.



This is what I was observing, that you are taking the scriptures in sequence of how they are written. Is that the case?

I don't think you can put it any other way that the Beast and the prophet are judged before the 1000 year reign and Satan afterwards.

Yes. Quite a lot.
Is the harlot destroyed before Armageddon, or after?
She is destroyed by the Beast when he takes power and before the 1000 year reign.
 
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What happens during the 1,000 year reign of Christ, and beyond?
At Jesus' appearing He takes the saints to heaven John 14:1-3
It is the rapture event mentioned in 1 Thess 4:13-18 -- this is called "The first resurrection" in Rev 20:3-5
IT is the same coming of Christ in Matt 24:29-33 where all humans see Him and He gathers "his elect from one end of the sky to the other".


At that same event all the lost are destroyed 2 Thess 1:5-8
Leaving a desolate Earth with "no humands" Jer 4:23-26

Rev 20 says that after the 1000 years is over the wicked are raised and are judged -- because the city of God "the camp of the saints" the "New Jerusalem" has come back to earth at the end of the 1000 years.

During the 1000 years the saints judge the lost Rev 20:2-5
scripture says "you will judge angels" fallen Angels 1 Cor 6:3
Rev 3 says the saints rule in judgment "With a rod of iron" Rev 3 -- judging the wicked.
scripture says the saints crush satan under their feet (judgment on him).

When the 1000 years are over the punishment determined by the saints is meted out to the wicked in the lake of fire (Rev 20)
jonojim1337 said:
The Saints are given authority to judge during the 1000 year reign
yep
, but the final judgement, or the second resurrection, is at the end of the chapter
yep that comes at the end of the 1000 years
If the new heavens are after the final judgment
True - Rev 21 -- that is after the lake of fire event in Rev 20
, when does 2 Peter 3:12, 13 take place,
Peter merges "the coming of our Lord" 2 Peter 3:4 and the "elements melting" (John calls it Lake of fire) 2 Peter 3:10 as a single event that Peter calls "The Day of the Lord" that spans 1000 years which is what Rev 19 and 20 show.

Rev 19 we have the coming of Christ along with its "battle of Armageddon part 1" then 1000 years and "Armageddon part 2" where Gog and Magog show up at the resurrection of the wicked (the second resurrection in Rev 20)
 
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How can the judgement of the beast happen after the new heaven and new earth, when he is judged even before the 1000 year reign begins?
I like questions. Thanks for asking.
You didn't say that, and I didn't say that, so we're good here.

I don't think you can put it any other way that the Beast and the prophet are judged before the 1000 year reign and Satan afterwards.
Cool.

She is destroyed by the Beast when he takes power and before the 1000 year reign.
Agreed. Before the great war of Armageddon.
 
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At Jesus' appearing He takes the saints to heaven John 14:1-3
It is the rapture event mentioned in 1 Thess 4:13-18 -- this is called "The first resurrection" in Rev 20:3-5
IT is the same coming of Christ in Matt 24:29-33 where all humans see Him and He gathers "his elect from one end of the sky to the other".
At that same event all the lost are destroyed 2 Thess 1:5-8
Leaving a desolate Earth with "no humands" Jer 4:23-26
I'm so glad to see you are using scriptures to support your comment. That's good practice.
One can then search the scriptures to see if they support what you say.

Reading Jeremiah 4:23, I am seeing "the land is empty".
"I looked at the land and saw that it was an empty wasteland. I looked up at the sky, and its light had vanished.

Which land?
Cross referencing that scripture, we have...
Jeremiah 9:10; Isaiah 5:30; Zephaniah 1:3... They all refer to the land of Judah which God lays bare.

Looking at Jeremiah 4:27, 28, we read,
27 All this will happen because the LORD said, "The whole land will be desolate; however, I will not completely destroy it.
28 Because of this the land will mourn and the sky above will grow black. For I have made my purpose known and I will not relent or turn back from carrying it out."

So we are looking at prophetic words concerning the land of Judah, rather than the whole earth.

Rev 20 says that after the 1000 years is over the wicked are raised and are judged -- because the city of God "the camp of the saints" the "New Jerusalem" has come back to earth at the end of the 1000 years.
Does your Bible say the wicked will be resurrected?
Can you quote the verse please?

During the 1000 years the saints judge the lost Rev 20:2-5
When you say lost, can you be more specific... Who are these "lost"?

scripture says "you will judge angels" fallen Angels 1 Cor 6:3
Rev 3 says the saints rule in judgment "With a rod of iron" Rev 3 -- judging the wicked.
scripture says the saints crush satan under their feet (judgment on him).

When the 1000 years are over the punishment determined by the saints is meted out to the wicked in the lake of fire (Rev 20)
Yes. The wicked will be gone forever. Good riddance.

yep

yep that comes at the end of the 1000 years
True - Rev 21 -- that is after the lake of fire event in Rev 20
Peter merges "the coming of our Lord" 2 Peter 3:4 and the "elements melting" (John calls it Lake of fire) 2 Peter 3:10 as a single event that Peter calls "The Day of the Lord" that spans 1000 years which is what Rev 19 and 20 show. Rev 19 we have the coming of Christ along with its "battle of Armageddon part 1" then 1000 years and "Armageddon part 2" where Gog and Magog show up at the resurrection of the wicked (the second resurrection in Rev 20)
Armageddon part 2?
That's no Armageddon, partner. That's an instant wipe out. Like throwing garbage in an insinuator. :D Armageddon is a war.

fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them
That's no war. :smile:
 
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"For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death."

I have come to the conclusion that the Beast and the false prophet represent the level of sin that pertain to the soul and the body, that is, the deeds of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the harlot of Babylon, who's inhabitants have been given the choice to come out of her, are finally overcome by the Word of God. But before the final enemy is defeated, He Must Reign.
 
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"For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death."

I have come to the conclusion that the Beast and the false prophet represent the level of sin that pertain to the soul and the body, that is, the deeds of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the harlot of Babylon, who's inhabitants have been given the choice to come out of her, are finally overcome by the Word of God. But before the final enemy is defeated, He Must Reign.
You did admit you made errors in your conclusions, so I believe you likely would be willing to make adjustments, once you are shown to be wrong.

Revelation 17:9-18
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.​
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”​
15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”​

You won't understand Revelation by yourself.
In fact you won't understand the Bible by yourself, and Revelation is probably the hardest part of the Bible to understand.
Without help, we are totally lost.

We need that quality of humility, to realize we need to be taught.
That was the case with all those who came to understand the truth.
 
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You did admit you made errors in your conclusions, so I believe you likely would be willing to make adjustments, once you are shown to be wrong.

Revelation 17:9-18
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.​
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”​
15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”​

You won't understand Revelation by yourself.
In fact you won't understand the Bible by yourself, and Revelation is probably the hardest part of the Bible to understand.
Without help, we are totally lost.

We need that quality of humility, to realize we need to be taught.
That was the case with all those who came to understand the truth.
So what are you trying to show me?
 
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So what are you trying to show me?
I appreciate your asking.

jonojim1337 said:
I have come to the conclusion that the Beast and the false prophet represent the level of sin that pertain to the soul and the body, that is, the deeds of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes

The Bible says...
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”

Do you see any difference between your conclusion, and what the Bible says?
What I am trying to help you appreciate, is that one will come up will all kinds of conclusions about the meaning of Revelation, but until they recognize they need help to get the correct understanding, they will remain in error.

All of the followers of Jesus had to be taught, in order to come to truth.
The apostles were taught by Jesus directly. Matthew 10:1-25; Matthew 11:1
Those who became disciples, were taught by the apostles, and disciples (I hope that makes sense). Matthew 28:18-20; Luke 8:1-3; Luke 9:1-10; Luke 10:1-17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:37-41; Acts 8:25-40; Acts 10:1-48; Matthew 24:14

We need the help of Jesus' disciples if we are to really understand the Bible.
 
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I appreciate your asking.

jonojim1337 said:
I have come to the conclusion that the Beast and the false prophet represent the level of sin that pertain to the soul and the body, that is, the deeds of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes

The Bible says...
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”

Do you see any difference between your conclusion, and what the Bible says?
What I am trying to help you appreciate, is that one will come up will all kinds of conclusions about the meaning of Revelation, but until they recognize they need help to get the correct understanding, they will remain in error.

All of the followers of Jesus had to be taught, in order to come to truth.
The apostles were taught by Jesus directly. Matthew 10:1-25; Matthew 11:1
Those who became disciples, were taught by the apostles, and disciples (I hope that makes sense). Matthew 28:18-20; Luke 8:1-3; Luke 9:1-10; Luke 10:1-17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:37-41; Acts 8:25-40; Acts 10:1-48; Matthew 24:14

We need the help of Jesus' disciples if we are to really understand the Bible.
Brother you have to explain what it is you are implying.

The flesh has all the principalities of Satan, as well as five fallen senses.
 
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