Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

prodromos said:

The entire solar system would be a dot on that scale. You don't see a problem with that?

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The problem is earth does not orbit the sun & the sun is not at the centre & their are no planets, they are stars. It's that easy, why would God complicate it ?

Apple Sky said:

The problem is earth does not orbit the sun & the sun is not at the centre & their are no planets, they are stars. It's that easy, why would God complicate it ?

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The problem is that you reject anything other than your preconceived ideas, so even if we were able to provide a scale model, you would still reject it.

Your giant snow globe model indicates a belief in a finite, limited god whereas what we actually observe indicates an infinite and unlimited God.

We can easily provide accurate computer models of the moon orbiting the earth which in turn is orbiting the sun, then zoom out to see the entire solar system, and then zoom out again to see the entire galaxy, but a physical scale model is not practical for the reasons explained.

By the way, a physical, mechanical model of the solar system is called an orrery. Naturally, they aren't made to scale, because an accurate scale mechanical model would have to be humongous. But they can make pretty nifty models that display the orbits of the planets and their moons anyway.

Solar System to Scale (Don't recall if they included Neptune & Pluto)

Apple Sky said:

Never mind, you can't produce one, no prob..........

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Nobody can. There are billions of stars. Good luck with a model showing them all. All models must be simplified in some aspect.

Apple Sky said:

Someone said on here that the F/E's ' can't even give a model of the f/e', I think it was @prodromos .....

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It could be basically anybody, I said something like that too. Because nothing you have shown so far works even for the most common things we observe, like eclipses, seasons, planets... None shows firmament, columns holding the sky. None explains how the travel around the world works or even how GPS can work.

Yttrium said:

By the way, a physical, mechanical model of the solar system is called an orrery. Naturally, they aren't made to scale, because an accurate scale mechanical model would have to be humongous. But they can make pretty nifty models that display the orbits of the planets and their moons anyway.

Orrery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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At last, we have lift off

I particularly liked this one;



It shows all the stars drifting in space any old where

Apple Sky said:

I don't see why that somebody can't produce a down scaled model ???

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Imagine a large beach, with billions of sand grains that goes for thousands of kilometers.

Make a real scale model that displays one specific grain (e.g. our sun), but in the same time the whole beach (e.g. all the stars at once). Its illogical. You cannot show both a small detail and the whole picture in one step. You must always focus on one of the aspects.

trophy33 said:

Imagine a large beach, with billions of sand grains that goes for thousands of kilometers.

Make a real scale model that displays one specific grain (e.g. our sun), but in the same time the whole beach (e.g. all the stars at once). Its illogical. You cannot show both a small detail and the whole picture in one step. You must always focus on one of the aspects.

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Look at the post above............

Apple Sky said:

Look at the post above............

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It does not show all the stars. Which was your requirement. Also, the scale of the sun and the planets is all wrong.

The scaled Solar system objects look like this (but they are not so close together and in a row, of course):

trophy33 said:

It does not show all the stars. Which was your requirement. Also, the scale of the sun and the planets is all wrong.

The scaled Solar system objects look like this:

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Never mind

Apple Sky said:

Never mind

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It's clear that neither you nor Flat Earth Dave have any comprehension as to what you are asking.
Flat Earth Dave seems to think he has a "gotcha" for globe earth models but he is really only demonstrating how small minded he is.

prodromos said:

It's clear that neither you nor Flat Earth Dave have any comprehension as to what you are asking.
Flat Earth Dave seems to think he has a "gotcha" for globe earth models but he is really only demonstrating how small minded he is.

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I have to disagree, what he doesn't know isn't worth knowing.

He's one clued up guy.

Why are you slagging off Dave, is it because what he talks about goes against your beliefs ?

Apple Sky said:

It shows all the stars drifting in space any old where

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Other stars aren't part of the solar system, so they're not part of a solar system model. A model might have some star-style decoration in the background just for flavor.

Yttrium said:

Other stars aren't part of the solar system, so they're not part of a solar system model. A model might have some star-style decoration in the background just for flavor.

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The stars move within the firmament in which the same constellations are seen daily. They are not wondering around in space any old how.

King James Bible
He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

Apple Sky said:

The stars move within the firmament in which the same constellations are seen daily. They are not wondering around in space any old how.

King James Bible
He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

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You believe that the firmament is solid, hard (thats why you claim rockets cannot leave the Earth). Nothing can move in it.

Apple Sky said:

The stars move within the firmament in which the same constellations are seen daily. They are not wondering around in space any old how.

King James Bible
He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

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I'm aware of your FE belief about the stars. No need for you to elaborate.

Yttrium said:

I'm aware of your FE belief about the stars. No need for you to elaborate.

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Sorry.

trophy33 said:

You believe that the firmament is solid, hard (thats why you claim rockets cannot leave the Earth). Nothing can move in it.

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You misunderstand.

Apple Sky said:

You misunderstand.

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So explain it.