Many are lawless

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Matthew 7:22 MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

There are many people who say they do not have to follow the law of God. Is this what the Bible means by "lawlessness". Did they really prophesy, drive out demons and perform miracles? Or did they just think they did?
 

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Matthew 7:22 MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

There are many people who say they do not have to follow the law of God. Is this what the Bible means by "lawlessness". Did they really prophesy, drive out demons and perform miracles? Or did they just think they did?
It means many thinks they are doing God’s work, has a form of godliness, but denying its power 2 Timothy 3:5. Think Cain and Abel. One made a sacrifice based on what God wanted, the other based on what they felt is best. God only accepted one sacrifice. People play this scenario out over and over. It’s a matter of who we yields ourselves servants to obey Rom 6:16

We follow our will when we follow our rules over the commandments of God are hearts are from Him. Mat 15:3-14. He knows us when we keep His commandments 1 John 2:4

1 John 2:3-6 and Rev 22:14-15 are the correlation passages to Mat 7:23.

1 Rev 22:15 makes clear the law being referred to is the Ten Commandments- God’s version, not what was edited by man to accommodate man’s will instead of obeying God the way He asks.
 
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You do a nice job of explaining that. Your passage in Rev talks about Porn. I reads a book by a rabbi where he compares porn with intimacy. He says porn pushes people apart but intimacy brings them together.
 
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Matthew 7:22 MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
To know implies relationship. They had no relationship with God.
There are many people who say they do not have to follow the law of God. Is this what the Bible means by "lawlessness".
Did they really prophesy, drive out demons and perform miracles? Or did they just think they did?
They actually did.

Balaam and Caiphas likewise prophesied, while Saul was among the prophets, but none were saved.
Judas cast out devils, and was a son of perdition.
There can be a faith for the sake of miracles without a saving faith.

God allows counterfeit miracles to separate and reveal the elect from the non-elect.
Spiritual gifts guarantee nothing for they have no preventive power against sin.
 
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Balaam and Caiphas likewise prophesied
Caiphas was high priest and yet he betrayed Jesus. Paul tells us he was concerned that he could lose his salvation after preaching to others on how to be saved. Still we have the word: "Many". Are there really MANY that think they are saved but they are not? What are they doing wrong, what must they do to be saved. My post was on how many are lawless, they preach and teach that you do not have to follow the commandments of God. I wonder about people that work in fast food or convivence stores. Is it wrong that they are selling things that are harmful to people? There use to be a book called what would Jesus do. This challenged people to live the life that Jesus lived.
 
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Matthew 7:22 MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

There are many people who say they do not have to follow the law of God. Is this what the Bible means by "lawlessness". Did they really prophesy, drive out demons and perform miracles? Or did they just think they did?
The "lawlessness" Jesus spoke of was hidden beneath a veneer of self-righteousness, acts designed to impress people but acts that did not impress God. These people had inward covetousness, greed, and lust of various kinds. They thought their inward thoughts were "normal," and could legitimately be covered up by religious rituals.

Judas was given the gift of miracles along with the other 11 apostles. He had the ability to go out 2 by 2 to heal the sick and to proclaim the good news. But these were external acts for him, while he harbored hostility towards Jesus--enough to betray him to those who wanted him dead.

Today there are Christian leaders who are not really Born Again, who have the same carnal nature within, covering it up with religious acts, including supernatural acts that God allows them to do for His glory. God gives gifts to those willing to use them. But their failure to convert their inward nature will condemn them on the Day of Judgment.
 
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Today there are Christian leaders who are not really Born Again
My wife had a pastor like that. Yet he was still a good pastor and she learned a lot from him. I thought people had to be believers but I guess not. Someone in a position of authority in the church told him it was ok.
 
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My wife had a pastor like that. Yet he was still a good pastor and she learned a lot from him. I thought people had to be believers but I guess not. Someone in a position of authority in the church told him it was ok.
Yes, I've learned from those who teach the Scriptures, but I would never have them as primary leader, or pastor. Those who are not truly Born Again will never fully understand the Christian experience in which our nature originates from Deity.

Their "change" is purely external, coupled with a spiritual "experience." Actual change makes one not just act kind but be kind. That kindness can only come from God when He imparts it to us through the New Birth.

We can have spiritual experience with God without actually changing into His image. We need to not just have a spiritual experience, but more, a spiritual transformation into God's likeness.
 
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Caiphas was high priest and yet he betrayed Jesus.
Paul tells us he was concerned that he could lose his salvation after preaching to others on how to be saved.
Not quite. . .

There is salvation by faith, and there is reward for the quality of one's work.
They are not the same thing.
Worthless work; i.e., weak, insipid teaching and life, will receive no reward, but one will not lose one's salvation (1 Co 3:12-15).

Salvation is by faith alone, which faith is a gift (Php 1:29, Ac 13:48, 18:27, 2 Pe 1:1, Ro 12:3).
The reward/prize is based on the quality of one's work and does not affect one's salvation.

Paul did not want to be disqualified for the prize/reward (1 Co 9:27), he was not concerned about his salvation.
Still we have the word: "Many". Are there really MANY that think they are saved but they are not? What are they doing wrong, what must they do to be saved. My post was on how many are lawless, they preach and teach that you do not have to follow the commandments of God. I wonder about people that work in fast food or convivence stores. Is it wrong that they are selling things that are harmful to people?
We have laws and regulations enforced by the government regarding safety of merchandise.
 
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Not quite. . .
I am referring to 1 Corinthians 9 27 "No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize".

You can interpret or understand that passage any way you want. I was just making a reference to that passage in our Bible. Usually "disqualified" is translated "reprobate". Those who teach are held to a higher standard.
 
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We have laws and regulations enforced by the government regarding safety of merchandise.
That is what my wife father did for a living. We can look to see that McDonalds does violate the government guidelines.

They do have stents that could help for people who do not eat healthy food. But it is best to follow the guidelines.

The Guinness Book of World Records states that 34 is the maximum number of stents that can be implanted in a person. In 2010, a case was described of a patient who had 67 stents inserted into their coronary arteries, which is the record number in the history of cardiology.

The government recommends that: men should not eat more than 30g of saturated fat a day. women should not eat more than 20g of saturated fat a day. 30 G of fat is LESS THAN the 44 G of fat in a Big Mac Meal. Notice the guide is for the entire day, not just a meal.

  • Big Mac Meal
    44 grams of fat, 1,100 calories, 149 grams of carbs, 29 grams of protein, and 1,225 milligrams of sodium
  • Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese
    42 grams of fat, 740 calories, 43 grams of carbohydrates, 10 grams of sugar, 48 grams of protein, and 1,360 milligrams of sodium

 

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I am referring to 1 Corinthians 9 27 "No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize".
The prize/reward is not salvation, for in 1 Co 3:14-15 one can lose the prize/reward and not lose his salvation.

In 1 Co 9:27, Paul is not referring to disqualification for salvation (which is only through faith, not by works--Eph 2:8-9),
he is referring to disqualification for the prize/reward he presents in 1 Co 3:14-15.
You can interpret or understand that passage any way you want. I was just making a reference to that passage in our Bible. Usually "disqualified" is translated "reprobate". Those who teach are held to a higher standard.
However, "disqualified" (adokimazo) means not standing the test, rejected.
Reprobate means not of the standard purity or fineness.

And the test in 1 Co 3:14-15 is not for salvation, where one does not lose salvation in failing the test.
While the test of 1 Co 3:14-15 is the test Paul is referring to in 1 Co 9:27, by which test he does not want to be disqualified (rejected) for the prize/reward for worthwhile, as opposed to worthless, work for Christ.
 
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Matthew 7:22 MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

There are many people who say they do not have to follow the law of God. Is this what the Bible means by "lawlessness". Did they really prophesy, drive out demons and perform miracles? Or did they just think they did?

The law isn't just a set of rules to follow. There's a spirit to following them.

For instance the Sabbath being made for man instead of man for the Sabbath. There's a spirit that follows rules, and a spirit that fulfills the law even though sometimes, in some situations, it looks different than perfectionist rules following as seen in Jesus and the disciples picking some food to eat on the Sabbath day in Scriptures.

We have rules which we do our best to uphold... But it's born from a Spirit of love for God based on what He did for us.

We know His rules are made for our benefit, and not to punish or make life hard, so we always look to Him for guidance.

As for whether they prophesied or whatever, I'm sure it's that they thought they were, but weren't.
 
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We know His rules are made for our benefit, and not to punish or make life hard, so we always look to Him for guidance.
In school rules are designed to make their life easy and they do not care if it is more difficult for the students. Like you say, with God He wants what is best for us. The prisons and hospitals are filled with people who thought they could get away with being lawless. But there is a price to pay.
 
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The law isn't just a set of rules to follow. There's a spirit to following them.

For instance the Sabbath being made for man instead of man for the Sabbath. There's a spirit that follows rules, and a spirit that fulfills the law even though sometimes, in some situations, it looks different than perfectionist rules following as seen in Jesus and the disciples picking some food to eat on the Sabbath day in Scriptures.

We have rules which we do our best to uphold... But it's born from a Spirit of love for God based on what He did for us.

We know His rules are made for our benefit, and not to punish or make life hard, so we always look to Him for guidance.

As for whether they prophesied or whatever, I'm sure it's that they thought they were, but weren't.
The law is to show us sin and unrighteousness so we are not depending on our righteousness but on God’s Psa 119:172. It also the schoolmaster to lead us to Christ Gal 3:24 as it is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 until faith comes. Once faith comes it establishes the law Rom 3:31 and once in Christ He enables us to keep it. John 14:15-18

Sin is breaking any of the Ten Commandments.

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. You can find the whole law on what God both personally wrote and spoke here Ten Commandments

I don’t think you are interpreting Mark 2:27 properly. The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath is because man was made first, in the image of God Gen 1:26. The Sabbath was made after the creation of man. Gen 2:1-3 why the Sabbath was made for man, not the other way around. The scriptures tell us why it was made for man and it is to honor God on His holy day Isa 58:13 And so God can bless and sanctify us because we cannot sanctify ourselves we need God Eze 20:12

Jesus was quite clear the Sabbath is made for those who do righteousness. Who love the name of the Lord, for those who join themselves to Christ, to serve Him. God cares about our needs and knows we need both physical and spiritual rest in Him. When we obey God the way He asks it shows we are a servant of God and yield ourselves to Him. Sadly most miss out on the blessing Christ is trying to give us.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
 
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Love fulfuls the law and we are justified by faith.

I try my best. If you want you can pray for me. It couldn't hurt.
Obeying the law (commandments) fulfills the law, the bible has hundreds of examples of people who disobey the laws of commands of GOD, see where this leads them.
 
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You know @Diamond7 , I was watching an online sermon from a couple weeks ago that I hadn't seen yet, and I actually think it's a good sermon to note in this thread.


The reason is the time devotion to the Pharisees and their 3 main sins that Jesus pointed out.

I see great parallels myself between the Pharisees and those pastors, preacher's and teachers that say "Lord, Lord"
 
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You know @Diamond7 , I was watching an online sermon from a couple weeks ago that I hadn't seen yet, and I actually think it's a good sermon to note in this thread.


The reason is the time devotion to the Pharisees and their 3 main sins that Jesus pointed out.

I see great parallels myself between the Pharisees and those pastors, preacher's and teachers that say "Lord, Lord"
We can read about what Jesus condemned from the Pharisees directly in our bibles. Many Pastors end up missing this important teaching when they are out there sadly teaching lawlessness in some form or another. Something Jesus warns us not to teach Mat 5:19 as our righteousness must exceed the Pharisees Mat 5:20

Jesus not only condemned the Pharisees He said they were worshipping in vain (false worship) which is a parallel to Mat 7:21-23. There's lots of paralles in scripture- it's a constat theme.

What did Jesus condemn? Keeping our own rules over obeying the commandments of God as Jesus was quoting directly from the Ten Commandments which He says breaking the least of least of these commandments one would be in fear of sin and Judgement. Mat 5:19-30. Jesus wants our hearts close, why He wrote His law in our hearts and minds and we worship Him when we obey Him. Rev 14:12

Matthew 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
 
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The reason is the time devotion to the Pharisees and their 3 main sins that Jesus pointed out.
Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites. They claimed to follow the law but they were full of dead man bones. (Matthew 23 27) Even though they looked good on the outside. We have a friend that just died from bone cancer. They are very weak and have no strength. She could not even dress herself. At my age I see a lot of my friends die. It is just like Jesus said. People die the way they life. If you live by the sword you will die by the sword.
 
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