Major contradiction: John 2 versus Matthew 4

[Hazelelponi]

Thanks for your response. That's another thing I'm questioning. Why would John include the overturning of the temple so early in Christ's ministry when the other gospels sat He did this later on? Did He cleanse the temple twice?

I think your looking way too chronologically.

Each of the human authors of the Gospels had an angle to their writing, a specific audience they wanted to reach; you have one which is historical record - answering the question are these things true - another which really wants to reach a very Jewish audience etc.

Then, each of the miracles of Jesus are grouped in three's so you can see an overarching theme in each grouping which helps them make a lot of sense in our New Covenant context.

As a result, the stories aren't always being told in strictly chronological order.

Though the events of Jesus' life are historically true, there is some small liberties taken at times with chronological order to keep the message itself on point.

 

[Hazelelponi]

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

And which what measure you mete it will be measured to you again Matthew 7:1-3

 

[One God and Father of All]

In John 1 Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist. In John 2 however, it shows Jesus attending the wedding at Galilie with his followers apparently. where he makes all that wine form water. He also says that His time has not yet come in response to His mother, but apparently he had some disciples with Him already, meaning His ministry was underway. But in Matthew 4 after Jesus was baptized it says He went into the wilderness to be tempted 40 days before commencing His ministry. So which is it? Where did Jesus go after being baptized by John the Baptist?

Seeing things like this is really starting to scare me.

The wilderness Jesus went into was the same wilderness John came into.

19Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”

20He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”

21And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?”

He said, “I am not.”

“Are you the Prophet?”

And he answered, “No.”

22Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?”

23He said: “I am

‘The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
“Make straight the way of the Lord,” ’


The wilderness is not a place with no people because it’s where John cry’s out. And where he was when he was questioned about who he was.

Its the same wilderness where Jesus went and was also questioned about who he was.

The adversary were those who were sent to both John and Jesus.

 

[Peacemaker1]

Yes. NO MORE wine. He had been drinking it up to that point but he’s not going to drink anymore until he drinks it in the kingdom of God.

Matthew 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We HAVE PIPED UNTO YOU, and ye have not danced; WE HAVE MOURNED UNTO YOU, and ye have not lamented.
18 FOR JOHN CAME NEITHER EATING NOR DRINKING, and THEY SAY, He hath A DEVIL.
19 THE SON OF MAN CAME EATING AND DRINKING, and THEY SAY, Behold A MAN GLUTTONOUS, and A VINEBIBBER, a FRIEND OF PUBLICANS AND SINNERS. But WISDOM IS JUSTIFIED OF HER CHILDREN.

 

[Peacemaker1]

what I have learned reading the gospels if that the first 4 books complement one another. I would not worry between discrepancy between John and Matthew. In any case what is important is the message of Christ, his teachings.

Blessings.

ANYBODY WHO USES THE TERMS CONTRADICTION/DISCREPENCY, HAS NOT LEARNED READING THE GOSPELS THAT GODS WORD IS WITHOUT THOSE THNGS, AND MAN US NOTHING ELSE.


Psalm 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.

 

[BPPLEE]

Matthew 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We HAVE PIPED UNTO YOU, and ye have not danced; WE HAVE MOURNED UNTO YOU, and ye have not lamented.
18 FOR JOHN CAME NEITHER EATING NOR DRINKING, and THEY SAY, He hath A DEVIL.
19 THE SON OF MAN CAME EATING AND DRINKING, and THEY SAY, Behold A MAN GLUTTONOUS, and A VINEBIBBER, a FRIEND OF PUBLICANS AND SINNERS. But WISDOM IS JUSTIFIED OF HER CHILDREN.

The son of m,an came earring and drinking

 

[Peacemaker1]

I think your looking way too chronologically.

Each of the human authors of the Gospels had an angle to their writing, a specific audience they wanted to reach; you have one which is historical record - answering the question are these things true - another which really wants to reach a very Jewish audience etc.

Then, each of the miracles of Jesus are grouped in three's so you can see an overarching theme in each grouping which helps them make a lot of sense in our New Covenant context.

As a result, the stories aren't always being told in strictly chronological order.

Though the events of Jesus' life are historically true, there is some small liberties taken at times with chronological order to keep the message itself on point.

God does not take liberties, God came to give us liberty.

We were captured by all before Christ ( thieves and robbers) but the sheep did jot hear them.

Now the sheep have returned to their Shepherd, the wolves have nothing good to say out of their hearts of stone.



Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

 

[Peacemaker1]

The son of m,an came earring and drinking

and John did not, for man to dance and to lament. ( but wisdom is justified of her children)

 

[Peacemaker1]

And which what measure you mete it will be measured to you again Matthew 7:1-3

it just has been.

 

[BPPLEE]

and John did not, for man to dance and to lament. ( but wisdom is justified of her children)

What is your point?

 

[One God and Father of All]

After the adversary(the Jews) had finished tempting Jesus in order to prove who he said he was, it is said the adversary left for a more opportune time.
That more opportune time came when Jesus was on the cross. And just as the Jews had tempted him before they did again, and in the same way.
They never believed who he said he was( the Christ, son of God) at the beginning, nor when he was on the cross.
At the beginning they said “if you be the son of God”…..do this or that.
And when he was on the cross they tried the same, “if you be the son of God come down off that cross”
They were an evil wicked generation, and brood of vipers. Children of disobedience.

 

[One God and Father of All]

The adversary were the Jews who took tithes from the poor so that they could have all the best things and the poor nothing

3And he went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, 4as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying:

“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.
5Every valley shall be filled
And every mountain and hill brought low;
The crooked places shall be made straight
And the rough ways smooth;
6And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”(Luke 3:3-6)

The wilderness describes the people of the land. Mark says Jesus was among the wild beasts. And here Luke describes the people as either mountains and hills or valleys.

Jesus’ preaching was a leveling of the field. The rich and leaders are the mountains and hills who are to be brought low, and the valleys are the poor who would be filled up.

 

[One God and Father of All]

I don’t see any contradiction between John and the other gospels.

John’s baptism separated the children of disobediences( Jews who refused to be baptized) from the children of God.

And Jesus’ preaching separates the wheat from the chaff.

 

[Peacemaker1]

After the adversary(the Jews) had finished tempting Jesus in order to prove who he said he was, it is said the adversary left for a more opportune time.

1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

 

[Peacemaker1]

I don’t see any contradiction between John and the other gospels.

John’s baptism separated the children of disobediences( Jews who refused to be baptized) from the children of God.

And Jesus’ preaching separates the wheat from the chaff.

John prepared the way, to make the paths straight, Jesus is the Spirit, who obeyed the Father onto the cross, and the devil is a spirit, a false one but is finished.



Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

 

[One God and Father of All]

1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

The word adversary in 1 Tim 5:14 is not Diablo’s. It simply is speaking of someone who would oppose younger women who marry.

The word Satan there is adversary. It refers to one who had already opposed marrying, bearing child…of younger women.

The word adversary in 1 Peter refers to an opponent in a court case. And the word devil means adversary. That would be the one who is seeking to devour the opponent

 

[Peacemaker1]

The word adversary in 1 Tim 5:14 is not Diablo’s. It simply is speaking of someone who would oppose younger women who marry.

The word Satan there is adversary. It refers to one who had already opposed marrying, bearing child…of younger women.

The word adversary in 1 Peter refers to an opponent in a court case. And the word devil means adversary. That would be the one who is seeking to devour the opponent

The serpent/devil/satan, is the same, who DECEIVES THE WHOLE WORLD, and who had power, but no longer has any.

Jesus also destroyed the devil who had the power over death, he has a short time but is finished.




Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

ANYBODY WHO USES THE TERMS CONTRADICTION/DISCREPENCY, HAS NOT LEARNED READING THE GOSPELS THAT GODS WORD IS WITHOUT THOSE THNGS, AND MAN US NOTHING ELSE.


Psalm 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.

this is what i was saying, no differences just complementarity.

 

[BPPLEE]

After the adversary(the Jews) had finished tempting Jesus in order to prove who he said he was, it is said the adversary left for a more opportune time.
That more opportune time came when Jesus was on the cross. And just as the Jews had tempted him before they did again, and in the same way.
They never believed who he said he was( the Christ, son of God) at the beginning, nor when he was on the cross.
At the beginning they said “if you be the son of God”…..do this or that.
And when he was on the cross they tried the same, “if you be the son of God come down off that cross”
They were an evil wicked generation, and brood of vipers. Children of disobedience.

They believed in him on Palm Sunday and followed him as long as he was handing out fish and loaves and healing people

 

[Peacemaker1]

I would not worry between discrepancy between John and Matthew. In any case what is important is the message of Christ, his teachings.

discrepancies in John and Matthew, or more likely in anyone else. ( especially those who are without fear to claim there are differences in John and Matthew)


Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;