Major contradiction: John 2 versus Matthew 4

[BPPLEE]

In John 1 Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist. In John 2 however, it shows Jesus attending the wedding at Galilie with his followers apparently. where he makes all that wine form water. He also says that His time has not yet come in response to His mother, but apparently he had some disciples with Him already, meaning His ministry was underway. But in Matthew 4 after Jesus was baptized it says He went into the wilderness to be tempted 40 days before commencing His ministry. So which is it? Where did Jesus go after being baptized by John the Baptist?

Seeing things like this is really starting to scare me.

Hey he’s a lot of things. In chapter one Jesus is God. In chapter two God is at a party and they need more wine and he provides it. It’s even better than what they ran out of.
I know how many feel about drinking but maybe we are more religious than God.

 

[friend of]

Well I'm sorry for offending you @Peacemaker1

 

[Peacemaker1]

Well I'm sorry for offending you @Peacemaker1

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

 

[friend of]

so a really good proof ( this thread) that all live for debates, and are too strong of an opinion to hear, ( implacable) and nothing holy or right to say, just mockery as Christ received on the cross. ( they have pleasure in those who do this)


Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



They are made to be taken and destroyed, they speak evil of what they DO NOT UNDERSTAND, ( should keep quiet then) they perish in their own corruption, they receive the reward of unrighteousness, they count it pleasure to riot, sporting with their own deceivings, feasting with you, beguiling UNSTABLDE souls, exercised with coveteous practises, cursed..


2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Is that really what you think of me then?

 

[friend of]

if you had honesty you would not question the Lords testimonies, you would pray to repent.

You are not right, God is, His word is the truth to save, how does your word save.

Okay so you're saying I'm not saved then, correct?

 

[Peacemaker1]

Is that really what you think of me then?

Proverbs 12:1 Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.

Proverbs 13:18 Poverty and shame shall be to him that refuseth instruction: but he that regardeth reproof shall be honoured.

Proverbs 15:5 A fool despiseth his father's instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.



Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

 

[friend of]

if you had honesty you would not question the Lords testimonies, you would pray to repent.

You are not right, God is, His word is the truth to save, how does your word save.

Please don't presume to know what's in my heart. Thanks.

 

[Peacemaker1]

Okay so you're saying I'm not saved then, correct?

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

 

[BPPLEE]

Jesus did miracles so HIs disciples can believe on Him, here is Jesus after this drinking, maybe you can see both better together..



John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

John 2:11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

Mark 15:23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.

He didn’t drink the wine mixed with myhhr on the cross because it was a pain killer and he had to endure the full burden of the cross.
He wasn’t going to take something to blunt the pain.
Jesus and the disciples drank wine every day.

 

[Peacemaker1]

Please don't presume to know what's in my heart. Thanks.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

 

[Peacemaker1]

Jesus and the disciples drank wine every day.

Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

 

[Peacemaker1]

fine sheeps clothing these day, it is too smooth, instead of wooly.

 

[Peacemaker1]

ok hey guys of the forum, too many antichrists around, time to not be in a place of darkness for you, unless you don't want some light.

 

[friend of]

ok hey guys of the forum, too many antichrists around, time to not be in a place of darkness for you, unless you don't want some light.

THanks for all your help.

 

[Peacemaker1]

THanks for all your help.

Psalm 141:5 Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities.

Proverbs 9:7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

Proverbs 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[Peacemaker1]

the word of God is with power, it does not contradict, people do, so how can people see straight to see that Gods word is faithful.

 

[Peacemaker1]

anyone here read this carefully now..


2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

 

[BPPLEE]

Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Yes. NO MORE wine. He had been drinking it up to that point but he’s not going to drink anymore until he drinks it in the kingdom of God.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

In John 1 Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist. In John 2 however, it shows Jesus attending the wedding at Galilie with his followers apparently. where he makes all that wine form water. He also says that His time has not yet come in response to His mother, but apparently he had some disciples with Him already, meaning His ministry was underway. But in Matthew 4 after Jesus was baptized it says He went into the wilderness to be tempted 40 days before commencing His ministry. So which is it? Where did Jesus go after being baptized by John the Baptist?

Seeing things like this is really starting to scare me.

what I have learned reading the gospels if that the first 4 books complement one another. I would not worry between discrepancy between John and Matthew. In any case what is important is the message of Christ, his teachings.

Blessings.

 

[Carl Emerson]

@friend of

John and Matthew had a different priority in recording the events around the ministry of Jesus.

The timing of events is not available to us, so we are not being presented with contradiction.

God intended 4 gospels to present different aspects of the events.

Better to open oneself to what the Spirit wants to say through scripture rather than demand it reads like a legal document.