Will I financially support the building of the 3rd temple in Jerusalem?

[tonychanyt]

No, not with my money. At the same time, I think the prospect is exciting, From Texas to Israel: Red heifers needed for Temple arrive:

the Temple Institute continues preparations to lay the ground for the construction of the Third Temple in Jerusalem.

But for me, the Third Temple is not needed, Hebrews 10:

1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

The blood of red heifers cannot take away sins permanently. But there is good news:

5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’” ...
11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins,

on the Cross

he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Bottom line:

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

 

[Oseas]

No, not with my money. At the same time, I think the prospect is exciting, From Texas to Israel: Red heifers needed for Temple arrive:

But for me, the Third Temple is not needed, Hebrews 10:

The blood of red heifers cannot take away sins permanently. But there is good news:

on the Cross

Bottom line:

Where are the 5 perfectly Red Heifers sent to Israel from Texas? ​

And the 3rd Temple, still no started it's construction? ​

The hypocrite's hope shall perish, Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust shall be a spider's web-Job 8:13-14:​

There will not be any red heifer, understand? But there will be a red Dragon-Rev. 12:3-4 and 13:11-18, understand?

So, get ready

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[Presbyterian Continuist]

When Jesus returns in person, He will sit on the throne of David. Because the throne of David is in the Temple, it means that a third temple will be built. This will be the temple taken over by the AntiChrist, which is the abomination of desolation described by Luke. Matthew's description involves the desecration and destruction of the temple by the Romans in AD70.

We, as Gentiles won't be financially contributing to the building of the temple because it is the Jewish temple and therefore will be financed and built by the Jews. Apparently there are negotiations going on to reserve a part of the temple mount on which the new temple will be built.

We need to know that the Church has not replaced Israel. God has a plan for both. Replacement theology was instituted by anti-Semitic theologians who teach that the Church is the new Israel. But it is quite clear in Revelation, that when Jesus returns in person, He will return to Israel and take the throne of David in the temple. The 1000 year reign will be from Israel. The Christian church will not be involved. They will be elsewhere until the end of the 1000 year reign and then will be witnesses to the second resurrection involving unbelievers, and the great White Throne judgment.

When the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. the remnant of Israel plus the bride of Christ will be merged, and all will be one under Christ. Then Christ will hand the kingdom back to the Father and we will enter into the joys of the Lord for eternity.

 

[tonychanyt]

When Jesus returns in person, He will sit on the throne of David. Because the throne of David is in the Temple,

verse?

 

[Oseas]

When Jesus returns in person, He will sit on the throne of David. Because the throne of David is in the Temple, it means that a third temple will be built. This will be the temple taken over by the AntiChrist, which is the abomination of desolation described by Luke. Matthew's description involves the desecration and destruction of the temple by the Romans in AD70.

We, as Gentiles won't be financially contributing to the building of the temple because it is the Jewish temple and therefore will be financed and built by the Jews. Apparently there are negotiations going on to reserve a part of the temple mount on which the new temple will be built.

We need to know that the Church has not replaced Israel. God has a plan for both. Replacement theology was instituted by anti-Semitic theologians who teach that the Church is the new Israel. But it is quite clear in Revelation, that when Jesus returns in person, He will return to Israel and take the throne of David in the temple. The 1000 year reign will be from Israel. The Christian church will not be involved. They will be elsewhere until the end of the 1000 year reign and then will be witnesses to the second resurrection involving unbelievers, and the great White Throne judgment.

When the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. the remnant of Israel plus the bride of Christ will be merged, and all will be one under Christ. Then Christ will hand the kingdom back to the Father and we will enter into the joys of the Lord for eternity.

Actually, there will not be build any new den of thieves, a 3rd temple, in any time, as many imagine, and makes their conjectures, and suppose it will built, they believe in lies, unforftunately. By the way, the time of GOD's wrath arrived, and from now on He will destroy them which destroy the earth.

It's good to get ready , the days will be shortened. Get ready

 

[Oseas]

When Jesus returns in person, He will sit on the throne of David. Because the throne of David is in the Temple, it means that a third temple will be built.

Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet - Acts 7:48.

You are twisting the Word of GOD and contradicting what GOD said by His prophets. What you are doing has happened From around six thousand years ago-Genesis 3:1. Take care with the doctrines of demons-1 Timothy 4:1-2. Be careful.

If any man defile the temple of GOD, him shall GOD destroy; for the temple of GOD is holy, which temple are the true believers in His Son. -My Lord JESUS Christ..

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

verse?

You have Google. Look up Throne of David and it will give you the information. You don't have to believe what I say on first impression. You can be like a Berean and do your own homework to see if what I am saying is correct.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Actually, there will not be build any new den of thieves, a 3rd temple, in any time, as many imagine, and makes their conjectures, and suppose it will built, they believe in lies, unforftunately. By the way, the time of GOD's wrath arrived, and from now on He will destroy them which destroy the earth.

It's good to get ready , the days will be shortened. Get ready

You may need to take a closer look at other Bible references that show that Jesus will come and sit on the throne of David. 2 Samuel 7:12-13; 2 Samuel 22:51; 1 Chronicles 17:10-14; Matthew 1:1; Luke 1:32-33; Isaiah 2:1-4; Isaiah 9:6-7. The rest of the Scriptures that you can study is on 25 Bible verses about Throne Of David.

It is one thing to base a theory on guesswork and quite another to do ones homework in the Scriptures to confirm whether that theory is accurate.

 

[tonychanyt]

You have Google. Look up Throne of David and it will give you the information. You don't have to believe what I say on first impression. You can be like a Berean and do your own homework to see if what I am saying is correct.

Let proposition C1 = The throne of David is in the Temple.

Did you claim C1?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Let proposition C1 = The throne of David is in the Temple.

Did you claim C1?

You need to read my other post on this thread that discusses the throne of David in Scripture. It is not just my thoughts, but what the Scripture says about it.

 

[tonychanyt]

You need to read my other post on this thread that discusses the throne of David in Scripture. It is not just my thoughts, but what the Scripture says about it.

You made Claim C1 but you want me to find the support for your claim? Is that what you are asking me to do?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

You made Claim C1 but you want me to find the support for your claim? Is that what you are asking me to do?

No. I don't need your support. But if you choose to refute what I am saying, you will need to do your homework in the Bible first to show any credibility.

 

[Oseas]

You may need to take a closer look at other Bible references that show that Jesus will come and sit on the throne of David. 2 Samuel 7:12-13; 2 Samuel 22:51; 1 Chronicles 17:10-14; Matthew 1:1; Luke 1:32-33; Isaiah 2:1-4; Isaiah 9:6-7. The rest of the Scriptures that you can study is on 25 Bible verses about Throne Of David.

Scriptures don't contradict Scriptures. Whot you wrote is false interpretation of the Word of GOD, as He says by His Word: Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, are these. By the way, the Temple was destroyed twice, even JESUS commanded by His prophetic Word the destruction of the den of thieves-the Temple of Jerusalem-, and it will NEVER, but NEVER, be rebuilt, understand?

JESUS showed the Holy Jerusalem and the wall of the city has twelve foundations, and in them the names of His twelve apostles, no Temple therein, for the Lord GOD Almighty and the Lamb are the Temple of the New Jerusalem. BY THE WAY, nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, or makes a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

It is one thing to base a theory on guesswork and quite another to do ones homework in the Scriptures to confirm whether that theory is accurate.

The problem is the false interpretations and twisting of the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD, self-executable, understand? Now, from now on, the work of each one will be shown for what it is, because this Day -the LORD's Day, the seventh and last Day- will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Scriptures don't contradict Scriptures. Whot you wrote is false interpretation of the Word of GOD, as He says by His Word: Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, are these. By the way, the Temple was destroyed twice, even JESUS commanded by His prophetic Word the destruction of the den of thieves-the Temple of Jerusalem-, and it will NEVER, but NEVER, be rebuilt, understand?

JESUS showed the Holy Jerusalem and the wall of the city has twelve foundations, and in them the names of His twelve apostles, no Temple therein, for the Lord GOD Almighty and the Lamb are the Temple of the New Jerusalem. BY THE WAY, nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, or makes a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


The problem is the false interpretations and twisting of the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD, self-executable, understand? Now, from now on, the work of each one will be shown for what it is, because this Day -the LORD's Day, the seventh and last Day- will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD.

What you omitted to explain is where the Throne of David is going to be when Jesus returns to Israel to commence His 1000 year reign.

 

[public hermit]

To what end would a Christian support such a thing? Presumably, rebuilding the temple means reinstating the sacrificial system. To any inclinations toward that possibility, I would suggest the Book of Hebrews as an anecdote. If it's a desire to hurry along some conception of the eschaton, I would suggest doxastic humility.

Seriously, unless it's for aesthetic purposes or historical purposes, it doesn't make sense for a follower of Christ to get involved. Besides, think of the war that would be fought to achieve that goal.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

To what end would a Christian support such a thing? Presumably, rebuilding the temple means reinstating the sacrificial system. To any inclinations toward that possibility, I would suggest the Book of Hebrews as an anecdote. If it's a desire to hurry along some conception of the eschaton, I would suggest doxastic humility.

Seriously, unless it's for aesthetic purposes or historical purposes, it doesn't make sense for a follower of Christ to get involved. Besides, think of the war that would be fought to achieve that goal.

We have to realise that the rebuilding of the temple will not involve the Christian church (the Bride of Christ). God has a separate plan for Israel which involves the rebuilding of the temple housing the throne of David, where Jesus will sit and reign during the 1000 year reign.

 

[public hermit]

We have to realise that the rebuilding of the temple will not involve the Christian church (the Bride of Christ). God has a separate plan for Israel which involves the rebuilding of the temple housing the throne of David, where Jesus will sit and reign during the 1000 year reign.

Yes, I realize there is a whole eschatological framework that involves rebuilding it. I'm just not convinced that framework is credible and for the reasons I mentioned. I don't mean offense in saying that, I know some folks take their eschatology very seriously, but the eschatology game is a gamble since God is not beholden to our conceptions of how things should pan out. That's why I think it's important to ask: To what end?

 

[bèlla]

To what end would a Christian support such a thing? Presumably, rebuilding the temple means reinstating the sacrificial system. To any inclinations toward that possibility, I would suggest the Book of Hebrews as an anecdote. If it's a desire to hurry along some conception of the eschaton, I would suggest doxastic humility.

Seriously, unless it's for aesthetic purposes or historical purposes, it doesn't make sense for a follower of Christ to get involved. Besides, think of the war that would be fought to achieve that goal.

I think the best thing we can do is read the word, delve into extra biblical sources, pray, watch and wait.

When you're dealing with a deceiver you know a lie is on the horizon. That's what he does. You don't want to fall prey to beliefs that build up expectations that go unmet. The greatest threat to Christians is their theology. Many stake their lives on it.

If you discover an untruth or something doesn't unfold as you expected you might be shaken. There comes a point when we must be comfortable with not knowing and recognize knowledge has pitfalls. When you go too far you can't relinquish the belief because you're too invested.

~bella

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yes, I realize there is a whole eschatological framework that involves rebuilding it. I'm just not convinced that framework is credible and for the reasons I mentioned. I don't mean offense in saying that, I know some folks take their eschatology very seriously, but the eschatology game is a gamble since God is not beholden to our conceptions of how things should pan out. That's why I think it's important to ask: To what end?

The clue to interpreting the Book of Revelation is to dig into the Old and New Testaments to find the links between things that are written in them and what we see in Revelation. For example, the woman giving birth is not the Virgin Mary not is it the Christian church. She is actually Israel producing the Messiah, and afterward is spirited away to a refuge. What this says is that there will come a time when the remnant of Israel will be protected against destruction and will come back to receive Christ when He returns to reign for 1000 years in Jerusalem. If Israel is destroyed Christ cannot return, because the promise is that He will return to Israel and that the remnant will turn to Him and be saved. When we look at the rest of the Bible we see that Jesus was born in Judea, so has come out of Israel. We also see the link between the dragon who is waiting to devour the new born infant, and all the attempts through Scripture of Satan trying to destroy Israel (Pharaoh killing infant boys, Herod killing the innocents, Jesus being crucified, Hamon plotting to kill all the Jews, etc.) but he fails and the woman's child becomes King of kings and Lord of lords. This is just one example of using the rest of the Bible to interpret a passage from Revelation.

We know that Babylon is going to be rebuilt, because in Revelation it is utterly destroyed during the end time events. We know through history that Babylon was not actually destroyed, but was taken over without a fight by Cyrus, and ended up being a ghost city that fell into ruin. Sadaam Hussein was in the process of rebuilding Babylon when he was deposed. Babylon stands for human pride (the Tower of Babel) and everything that is evil. The destruction of Babylon then stands for the destruction of everything that man has built to show his ability to go it alone without God.

What this means then is that the Book of Revelation cannot be interpreted as a stand alone book that is unrelated to the rest of the Bible. Everything in Revelation can be explained in the rest of the Bible if we are prepared to spend the time and effort to dig for it. In the same way, if we encounter an obscure passage in the Old Testament that we can't interpret, put Christ in the middle of it. How does this passage describe Christ? Then it becomes clear. For example, the story of Joseph has definite links to Christ in that he was rejected by his brothers (as Christ was rejected by the Jews), went through a time of hardship (Christ being arrested, whipped and crucified), but ended up being lord over all Egypt and was the salvation of his father and brothers in the same way that Christ is our salvation and is seated at the right hand of the majesty on high far above all other authority and power. The book of Ruth is all about redemption, reflecting Christ as our redeemer, paying our debt and become our Bridegroom.

This is what makes the Bible fascinating to study, and clearly shows extra-terrestrial design in order to put Christ right in the centre of the Old and New Testaments.

 

[public hermit]

There comes a point when we must be comfortable with not knowing and recognize knowledge has pitfalls. When you go too far you can't relinquish the belief because you're too invested.

Excellent point.