What does baptism do?

[Dan Perez]

It does exactly what the Bible says it does.

Gives new birth (John 3:3-5, Titus 3:5)
Makes disciples (Matthew 28:19)
Results in remission of sin (Acts 2:38)
Cleanses us (Ephesians 5:26)
Unites us to Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection (Romans 6:3-4)
Clothes us with Jesus Himself (Galatians 3:27)
Saves us (1 Peter 3:21)

-CryptoLutheran

Rom 6:3 reads , Or are you IGNORANT , that as many as were BAPTIZED into Christ were BAPTIZED into His Death ?

Since WATER // YDOR is not in the Greek Text , How were you BAPTIZED into to Christ and then Placed into his DEATH ??

Here is another one in 1 Cor 10::2 and NO WATER // YDOR in the Greek text .

They were BAPTIIZED unto Moses , unto the Cloud , unto the SEA ? How did that happen ??

Or how were they BAPTIZED for the DEAD , in 1 Cor 15:29 ?/


dan p

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

So,...... according to scripture,.....there was no direct effect upon Jesus as He was water immersed,.... correct?

no.

We are not about to say He was born again when scripture doesn't say that,... right?

We do not say that.

My point here is this,... why are people giving a big laundry list of things that supposedly happens to them when one is water immersed, when in fact it had no direct effect upon Jesus in scripture at all?

That would be because Jesus, our Lord, was baptised with the baptism of saint John the Baptist rather than by Christian baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

May I ask, when you read scripture do you ignore context? It seems that your explanations imply that you do.

I think people need to take a look at this,... if they are actually being honest with themselves,..... and question why are things somehow different here.

People read the holy scriptures and see what is written. They see, for example, that baptism washes away sins. They also see that baptism saves us. They see that baptism is the washing of regeneration. They see that baptism is being buried with Jesus and rising again with him to new life.

Jesus is our perfect example in all facets of our Christian life and walk, but if nothing directly happened to Him when He was water immersed, then why are people making claims that it does for them?

We are not baptised by John the Baptist in John's baptism.

I came to know Jesus by repentance at the beginning of '92. I had a similar road to Damascus type of experience with Him like Paul did, but my water immersion was not until 6 months later, and it did none of the things that people make claim for in this thread,...... and why should it, I already knew Him, and more importantly,..... He knew me.

What you've written here is an account of what you believe rather than what holy scripture teaches.

 

[ARBITER01]

That would be because Jesus, our Lord, was baptised with the baptism of saint John the Baptist rather than by Christian baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Lol,.......yea, that's based completely on scripture, right?

I'm not really gonna challenge you on this, because if you really wish to believe some horse hockey stuff like that, by all means be my guest.

What you've written here is an account of what you believe rather than what holy scripture teaches.

I guess it comes down to what happens in the end, doesn't it? In the end we're gonna find out who's Christian faith was real by experience and who's was a figment of their imagination.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Lol,.......yea, that's based completely on scripture, right?

yes.

I'm not really gonna challenge you on this, because if you really wish to believe some horse hockey stuff like that, by all means be my guest.

1. Acts 1:5 John baptised with water but, not many days from now, you are going to be baptised with the Holy Spirit.'
2. Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one Body, one Spirit, just as one hope is the goal of your calling by God. (5) There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) and one God and Father of all, over all, through all and within all.
3. Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus came up and spoke to them. He said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (19) Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) and teach them to observe all the commands I gave you. And look, I am with you always; yes, to the end of time.'

I guess it comes down to what happens in the end, doesn't it? In the end we're gonna find out who's Christian faith was real by experience and who's was a figment of their imagination.

Christ gave the scriptures so we would know beforehand what will come to pass so we are not caught ignorant and in ignorance.

 

[Dan Perez]

Lol,.......yea, that's based completely on scripture, right?

I'm not really gonna challenge you on this, because if you really wish to believe some horse hockey stuff like that, by all means be my guest.



I guess it comes down to what happens in the end, doesn't it? In the end we're gonna find out who's Christian faith was real by experience and who's was a figment of their imagination.

And what many will not admit is found in John 1:31 that water baptism was only given to Israel and not to the body of Christ AS the Body of Christ was NOT in EXISTANCE , PERIOD !!

dan p

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

And what many will not admit is found in John 1:31 that water baptism was only given to Israel and not to the body of Christ AS the Body of Christ was NOT in EXISTANCE , PERIOD !!

dan p

That would be saint John's baptism.

 

[ARBITER01]

And what many will not admit is found in John 1:31 that water baptism was only given to Israel and not to the body of Christ AS the Body of Christ was NOT in EXISTANCE , PERIOD !!

dan p

I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about.

Jesus specifically said that the one believing in Him would do the works that He did, so His examples, such as water immersion, are to be ours also.

Water immersion after belief was clearly taught by Peter at the outpouring of The Holy Spirit in Acts 2, and the further examples in Acts, like Cornelius's house being baptized after their belief and the outpouring of The Spirit upon them, only solidify that teaching.

Water immersion plays a particular role in our salvation, and that is one of witness to our Spiritual immersion after belief, our adoption to GOD's family by blood.

Ignore it and it's purpose at your own peril.

 

[Dan Perez]

That would be saint John's baptism.

You did NOT answer my reply ?

dan p

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

You did NOT answer my reply ?

dan p

John 1:31 is saint John's baptism.

 

[Dan Perez]

I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about.

Jesus specifically said that the one believing in Him would do the works that He did, so His examples, such as water immersion, are to be ours also.

Water immersion after belief was clearly taught by Peter at the outpouring of The Holy Spirit in Acts 2, and the further examples in Acts, like Cornelius's house being baptized after their belief and the outpouring of The Spirit upon them, only solidify that teaching.

Water immersion plays a particular role in our salvation, and that is one of witness to our Spiritual immersion after belief, our adoption to GOD's family by blood.

Ignore it and it's purpose at your own peril.

Your reply is in Acts 2:38 , is that what you meant ?

And Peter says REPENT and let each of you be BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of SINS ,
And what were the SINS they were to Repent of ??

It was the SIN of CRUCIFIXON of Jesus , period .

That is what Israel was to repent of .

That BAPTISM was not WATER // YHOR , as that Greek word YUDOR is not in the Greek Text

dan p