The Bible does not say the Earth Is 7,000 Years Old

[The Barbarian]

no magnetic poles that causes storms

Magnetic poles don't cause storms. What made you think that they do? Storms are caused by heat, water vapor, gravity, and the Earth's rotation.

 

[I's2C]

Magnetic poles don't cause storms. What made you think that they do? Storms are caused by heat, water vapor, gravity, and the Earth's rotation.

Its all connected and contribute to the cause and effect!

 

[The Barbarian]

Magnetic poles don't cause storms. What made you think that they do? Storms are caused by heat, water vapor, gravity, and the Earth's rotation.

Its all connected and contribute to the cause and effect!

Show us how the Earth's magnetic field causes storms.

 

[Derf]

Magnetic poles don't cause storms. What made you think that they do? Storms are caused by heat, water vapor, gravity, and the Earth's rotation.


Show us how the Earth's magnetic field causes storms.

If that's all you have to complain about in his post, he must have done fairly well. Personally, I had a hard time following his points, not to mention the reasons for his points.

 

[The Liturgist]

The Bible is not a science textbook:

Why is there a monk tonsured in the Great Schema of the Orthodox Church charicatured in that video’s title? I don’t think the author of that video realizes how offensive that is. @prodromos @HTacianas do you think it would be worth the bother to report that video to YouTube? Not that I expect they’d do anything…

 

[The Liturgist]

The Bible is not a science textbook

By the way, to be clear, I am not disagreeing with your post, I am merely lamenting the extreme insensitivity of whoever made that video towards Eastern Orthodox Christians, who have never taught or emphasized a flat-Earth cosmology. The monk depicted is shown wearing the Great Schema, which is often given to elderly monks and nuns who are approaching the end of their lives due to illness, and otherwise is given only to the most extreme monastics, and monks who take the Great Schema are no longer eligible to become bishops, but are dedicated purely to a life of prayer and of such work as is needed to support them, since our monks are not mendicants, unlike for example the Buddhist monks (who actually copied much of their modern organization from Christian monasteries that used to exist in China, Tibet and Mongolia until the 12th century, when the Muslim warlord Tamerlane decided to kill off all of the Christians in those lands and in Central Asia and Yemen, a mission completed by his many sons. And I am aware of no national memorials to these martyred Christians, but there is a spectacular shrine to Tamerlane in Uzbekistan, where he is regarded as a national hero (despite not actually being an Uzbek but rather being a Muslim of generic Central Asian ethnicity, but the Muslims never seem to let the facts get in the way of their beliefs, except for the sake of expedience).

On the subject of Islam by the way, amusingly, unlike anyone in our Bible, Muhammed actually did teach explicitly the world was flat, and went sofar as to argue that the disappearance of ships over the horizon was an optical illusion. Indeed the Quran contains a bizarre episode where Alexander the Great, who the Muslims also regard as a prophet for some unfathomable reason, travelled as far West as possible and encountered the sun resting at an oasis at night, where the sun and Alexander the Great sort of chilled and had a conversation before the sun had to return to the East to resume his duties. And thus there are Muslim fanatics who insist on the world being flat, and they do regard the Quran as being not only infallible but uncreated.

However, conveniently, they then disregard this where necessary, for example, in order to operate their vast airline businesses (such as Emirates, Qatar Airlines and Etihad), which would not function if the Quran were what the Mullahs say it is.

 

[Apple Sky]

2 Peter 3:8

Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

If God said he made the earth in seven days, then 7,000 years is good enough for me

 

[TPop]

That is a lot of science.

Here from Blue Letter Bible commentary on Gen.
c. In 1913, an astronomer in Arizona discovered that stars appeared to be moving away from the earth at tremendous speeds, up to two million miles an hour. In 1919, another American astronomer named Edwin Hubble used this information to develop a theory of an expanding universe, which is the foundation of the “Big Bang” idea. Early on, other scientists discovered background radiation from all parts of the universe, which they suppose is the leftover “noise” from the first great explosion. But scientists are really not much closer at all to knowing anything about this instant beginning to the universe.

d. In fact, the more they find out, the more they discover how much they don’t know. There was a time when astrophysicists were faced with another challenge: trying to figure out what “dark matter” is. Dark matter is a term some scientists use to explain an enormous apparent excess of gravity in the universe. Dark matter may make up 99.9% of everything in the universe, but no one knows what it is. Though suggestions are offered, they are only suggestions. David O. Caldwell of the University of California at Santa Barbara said, “When it comes to dark matter, the only thing that we are convinced of at the moment is that it’s there.” But actually, scientists cannot even agree on that! Michael S. Turner, an astrophysics professor at the University of Chicago, said: “It’s very humbling. The origin, composition, energy and mass of the most common matter in the entire universe is unknown.”
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Adam was not formed as a fertilized egg. Jesus created Adam as a fully realized man. Same with Eve. Both fully capable of doing everything the first day they could do in their 800th year. From procreating to decision-making.

The earth was created not as 1 day old creation, but as a fully realized creation. With light, already traveling and traveled to places.
Rust, Rot, Decay, and death were in abeyance.

There is no Old earth. It is very young. Day 4 God created a celestial clock in the Sun, Moon, and Stars. There is zero reason to believe the first 1 day of creation was different from the 4th day of creation.

Old Earth has no standing in scripture that I can see, and appears to be only for those who do not believe in Jesus or are afraid to commit to a Young Earth.

Peace and Blessings.

 

[TPop]

None of those objects cause seasons. Seasons happen because the earth is tilted at 23.5 degrees on its axis. Not all places on earth experience seasons as in summer winter spring and fall some just wet or dry season.

[Gen 1:14 KJV] 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Jesus says that is what the Sun, Moon, and Stars are for.
If there were no Sun, Moon, or Stars, what would the Tilt of the earth be? And what would it be based upon?

Pease and Blessings

 

[TPop]

Hi, Eyes!

Nice to meet you!

You're right.

The sun, moon, and stars didn't exist until Day Four of the Creation Week.

But all that was needed for a day to transpire is for the earth to rotate once on its axis.

And then bingo; there's your day!

And those days 4, 5, 6, 7 have no reason to be different than 1, 2, 3. Making them all 24 hour days.

 

[Derf]

Rust, Rot, Decay, and death were in abeyance

This is a little hard to imagine...that God created already dead creatures (fossils). Why would He do that?

 

[TPop]

This is a little hard to imagine...that God created already dead creatures (fossils). Why would He do that?

Harder to imagine than the Angels Jesus created that do not understand Salvation, and 1/3 of them fell from Glory, to spend eternity in Hell, because the God they knew would just say OK to their fallen selves?
A world created to meet God's requirements are easy.

 

[Derf]

Harder to imagine than the Angels Jesus created that do not understand Salvation, and 1/3 of them fell from Glory, to spend eternity in Hell, because the God they knew would just say OK to their fallen selves?

I don't see how that is relevant.

A world created to meet God's requirements are easy.

Which requirements are we talking about? That fossils of things that never existed (rocks) are crying out that God lies? That the heavens that declare God's wondrous works are speaking of things that never happened? Why is your version of God lying better than someone else's?

 

[AV1611VET]

We did not have a year, night day until beginnings of this age when GOD made the universe and its stars and knows the billions by name placed them in their orbits.

Are you telling me that a planet that rotates 360 degrees on its axis needs the sun, moon, and stars to exist, before we can call it a "day"?

 

[Derf]

And those days 4, 5, 6, 7 have no reason to be different than 1, 2, 3. Making them all 24 hour days.

Or at least a rotation of the earth with respect to the light.

Remember that that "hour" is not defined in the creation events, but "day" is. Even our understanding of "hour" is only as compared to a dqy, 1/24th of a day, to be precise.

To then define "day" as a 24 hour period is circular, meaning that it gives no additional information. You're saying that a day = 24hours x 1day/24hours. Any more than that adds to scripture (since "hour" is not mentioned).

So, we can't tell how long the days were, only that they did not include more than a single pair of losing light (evening) and gaining light (morning).

These days might have been a lot longer than what we have now, which might then account for the time for starlight to reach us, but not for ancient creatures to live and die, since they weren't made until days 5 and 6.

 

[AV1611VET]

These days might have been a lot longer than what we have now, which might then account for the time for starlight to reach us, but not for ancient creatures to live and die, since they weren't made until days 5 and 6.

So you're saying that the earth rotated thousands of times before the first day?

 

[TPop]

I don't see how that is relevant.

Which requirements are we talking about? That fossils of things that never existed (rocks) are crying out that God lies? That the heavens that declare God's wondrous works are speaking of things that never happened? Why is your version of God lying better than someone else's?

"This is a little hard to imagine...that God created already dead creatures (fossils). Why would He do that?"

This was your statement. Not mine. You entered it into the record. I simply responded that it is easily possible as other much or amazing things have happened.

Please don't attribute the original statement to me.

The dinosaurs could have easily been alive in the garden, spread out after, and died in the flood.

Peace and Blessings

 

[TPop]

Are you telling me that a planet that rotates 360 degrees on its axis needs the sun, moon, and stars to exist, before we can call it a "day"?

The Moon has a major effect on Earth. Even slowing its spin by milliseconds each century. The Sun is a huge part of the gravitational forces that maintain the earth's orbit.

The earth is not spinning simply because it is the earth. It is spinning because of how the whole system was made and put into Motion. The earth is not an island unto itself.

Peace and Blessings

 

[AV1611VET]

The Moon has a major effect on Earth.

The moon didn't exist yet.

Not until Day Four of the Creation Week.

Even slowing its spin by milliseconds each century. The Sun is a huge part of the gravitational forces that maintain the earth's orbit.

The sun didn't exist yet.

Not until Day Four of the Creation Week.

The earth is not spinning simply because it is the earth.

But spinning nonetheless.

It is spinning because of how the whole system was made and put into Motion.

Not the first three days.

For the first 72 hours of the Creation Week, the earth was the only physical object in the universe.

And it was spinning.

The earth is not an island unto itself.

It was "an island unto itself" for the first three days.

 

[TPop]

Or at least a rotation of the earth with respect to the light.

Remember that that "hour" is not defined in the creation events, but "day" is. Even our understanding of "hour" is only as compared to a dqy, 1/24th of a day, to be precise.

To then define "day" as a 24 hour period is circular, meaning that it gives no additional information. You're saying that a day = 24hours x 1day/24hours. Any more than that adds to scripture (since "hour" is not mentioned).

So, we can't tell how long the days were, only that they did not include more than a single pair of losing light (evening) and gaining light (morning).

These days might have been a lot longer than what we have now, which might then account for the time for starlight to reach us, but not for ancient creatures to live and die, since they weren't made until days 5 and 6.

Yes we can. Because when the Sun, Moon, and stars were created. They were created in motion, spinning, orbiting, etc. That was a celestial clock . The first known time-keeping device was made on Day 4.

You will have to explain why days 1 thru 3 are not 24 hour days like day 4+ and since are. Adam was not created as a fertilized egg. He was created as a fully formed man. The universe was spoken into existence. It did not take God Billions of years to speak things into existence. If Jesus can come down and collect all of us to Him in less than the blink of an eye, I am assured that Jesus can speak things into existence in the blink of an eye.

How is it adding to scripture to define time? Be it a year, day, or hour? If anything, one brings Chaos into Creation by thinking God needs 20 min to do this, 2 trillion years to create this, 400 billion years to do that, 5 mill years to do this, and so on.

And the whole argument is sill anyways. You want to be precise about time and Physiscists of any kind cannot answer that for you. They don't know what is going on, what happened. First the planet needed to be 2.6 mill, then 2.4 billion, then 4.4 billion, then...., then.... what are we up to now? 2.6 trillion? As if there is some agreement on that now? It is a fools errand. A day is a day. Only man needs a day to be longer and shorter depending upon how he needs to explain 'thing's through a none spiritual manner.

Peace and Blessings