We don't have to worry or think about what happened in another country any more (maybe less) than we do today. Black people can claim that it was European colonization that created the huge market. Black people can claim that the white European Christians should have known through the Holy Spirit that they were sinning. But that's irrelevant from both perspectives.In the US perhaps (a product was purchased) but not in the land of origins.
Right, but what I responded to insinuated this, " whites are all to blame for the past experiences of the blacks", was a global thing.What happened here and what happens here is what counts in this discussion.
Proposing that positive action would have to be the sole responsibility of this or that racial group is just a trick played by those whod see nothing happen at all. Its repulsive, and they know it.....I think that's the crux of the issue. Let's just agree that whites are all to blame for the past experiences of the blacks. And do to that past guilt blacks have a more difficult time than whites.
The actual legal barriers have totally been removed. Yet blacks still struggle more. So who should take responsibility for that and what should they do about it?
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It's a recognised phenomena: Beauty PaysLet's say we determine that conventionally lovely people are favored in society to the detriment of ugly people. How do we address the problem of individuals favoring beautiful people in social transactions?
No, frankly, white people can be rightly accused of causing our problem, but white people cannot do anything to solve our problem.Proposing that positive action would have to be the sole responsibility of this or that racial group is just a trick played by those whod see nothing happen at all. Its repulsive, and they know it.
A national situation like this is a collective problem, meaning: any improvement involves all of us, as a nation and not any particular identity group. Thats who.
What can "....allow for it" mean in terms of public policy? Does it mean DEI includes ugly people? Short people? Fat people? People wearing glasses?It's then hopefully we can allow for it.
Who is our? Is Christ divided?No, frankly, white people can be rightly accused of causing our problem, but white people cannot do anything to solve our problem.
Ugly is a matter of opinion. But yeah, you need to make sure that people who suffer from dwarfism for example, or obese people are not excluded because of their height or weight. As long as it doesn't impact on the job they do. That could be part of a formal process. But I was talking more about making sure that everyone is aware of our inbuilt biases. Maybe start at an early age.What can "....allow for it" mean in terms of public policy? Does it mean DEI includes ugly people? Short people? Fat people? People wearing glasses?
And yet still no.answers. All.of us? Okay, what's that mean exactly. What do.all.of us have to do?Proposing that positive action would have to be the sole responsibility of this or that racial group is just a trick played by those whod see nothing happen at all. Its repulsive, and they know it.
A national situation like this is a collective problem, meaning: any improvement involves all of us, as a nation and not any particular identity group. Thats who.
How does that work.exactly? How do we make sure? And excluded from what? What do WE do. Let's just assume we all know we have a bias against fat people. What do we do as a society to make sure those biases don't work against them.But yeah, you need to make sure that people who suffer from dwarfism for example, or obese people are not excluded because of their height or weight. As long as it doesn't impact on the job they do. That could be part of a formal process.
Some biases are also going to be rational.Ugly is a matter of opinion. But yeah, you need to make sure that people who suffer from dwarfism for example, or obese people are not excluded because of their height or weight. As long as it doesn't impact on the job they do. That could be part of a formal process. But I was talking more about making sure that everyone is aware of our inbuilt biases. Maybe start at an early age.
Oh no! CRT!
And how does the bias against fat people rate with all the other personal biases we might have?How does that work.exactly? How do we make sure? And excluded from what? What do WE do. Let's just assume we all know we have a bias against fat people. What do we do as a society to make sure those biases don't work against them.
They are all rational in some way. Or at least were. It made sense to be wary of someone who wasn't obviously from your group. But that is now generally irrational. That needs to be pointed out. We need to be made aware of our instinctive reactions.Some biases are also going to be rational.
When you actually have some information about the "out group," and that information is negative, then the bias is rational. It remains rational until you gain enough more information to provide nuance.They are all rational in some way. Or at least were. It made sense to be wary of someone who wasn't obviously from your group. But that is now generally irrational. That needs to be pointed out. We need to be made aware of our instinctive reactions.
Exactly right. But the instinct that somebody belongs to an 'outgroup' is not in itself rational. Because...it's instinctive. A gut reaction. A response based on millions of years of evolution telling you 'Hey, it might be beneficial in the first instance to treat this person as a threat. Just in case'. Just like it's best to jump back if something rustles in the grass. It's probably a mouse, but it could be a snake. The second level response is to rationally consider that initial reaction and act accordingly.When you actually have some information about the "out group," and that information is negative, then the bias is rational. It remains rational until you gain enough more information to provide nuance.
Just to clarify I wasn't try to rate biases. I was just asking a broader question. People keep bringing up that society needs to fix theses issues. I was asking how exactly. Lots of complaining going on and I want to know who's responsibility it is and how exactly we are supposed to fix these biases. I used fat people as an example.And how does the bias against fat people rate with all the other personal biases we might have?
1. By not doing it ourselvesWhat does that mean in terms of actions?
Let's take it out of the nature of race.
Let's say we determine that conventionally lovely people are favored in society to the detriment of ugly people. How do we address the problem of individuals favoring beautiful people in social transactions?