Republicans Erupt Into Open Warfare (But check out these paragraphs)

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"Branded “Moscow Marjorie” by former Republican representative Ken Buck, who said she gets her talking points from the Kremlin, Taylor Greene went further by accusing Ukraine of waging “a war against Christianity”.

“The Ukrainian government is attacking Christians, the Ukrainian government is executing priests,” she said. “Russia is not doing that. They’re not attacking Christianity.” (In fact, according to figures from the Institute for Religious Freedom, a Ukrainian group, at least 630 religious sites had been damaged or looted in Russia’s invasion by December last year.
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Republicans erupt into open warfare over Ukraine aid package vote

As the speaker of the House finally allows a vote to go forward on aid, GOP infighting is tearing apart the party

Republican divisions over military support for Ukraine were long simmering. Now, before Saturday’s extraordinary vote in Congress on a foreign aid package, they have erupted into open warfare – a conflict that the vote itself is unlikely to contain.
Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House of Representatives, triggered an all-out split in his own party’s ranks last week by finally agreeing, after months of stalling, to a floor vote on the $95bn foreign aid programme. Passed by the Senate in February, it contained about $60bn for Ukraine, $14bn for Israel, and a smaller amount for Taiwan and other Pacific allies.

Johnson’s decision to finally bring the package to a vote made a highly symbolic break with the GOP’s far right, the people who engineered his elevation to the speaker’s chair last October after toppling his predecessor, Kevin McCarthy. These Republican rightwingers – reflecting the affinity of their political idol, the former president Donald Trump, for the Russian president, Vladimir Putin – have grown openly hostile to Ukraine’s cause.

Speaking from the Capitol on Thursday, Johnson made no apologies for antagonising them, telling C-SPAN that providing aid to Ukraine was “critically important” and “the right thing” despite the potential power of his opponents to bring him down in yet another internal party coup.


“I really believe the intel and the briefings that we’ve gotten,” Johnson said. “I believe that Xi and Vladimir Putin and Iran really are an axis of evil. I think they are in coordination on this. I think that Vladimir Putin would continue to march through Europe.

“I am going to allow an opportunity for every single member of the House to vote their conscience and their will,” he said, adding: “I’m willing to take a personal risk for that, because we have to do the right thing. And history will judge us.”

The backlash was fierce. Marjorie Taylor Greene, the outspoken Georgia representative, immediately filed a resolution demanding Johnson’s removal, called the bill a “sham”.

“I don’t care if the speaker’s office becomes a revolving door,” Taylor Greene told Steve Bannon, Trump’s former adviser, on his War Room channel. “The days are over of the old Republican party that wants to fund foreign wars and murder people in foreign lands while they stab the American people in their face and refuse to protect Americans and fix our problems.”

Branded “Moscow Marjorie” by former Republican representative Ken Buck, who said she gets her talking points from the Kremlin, Taylor Greene went further by accusing Ukraine of waging “a war against Christianity”.

“The Ukrainian government is attacking Christians, the Ukrainian government is executing priests,” she said. “Russia is not doing that. They’re not attacking Christianity.” (In fact, according to figures from the Institute for Religious Freedom, a Ukrainian group, at least 630 religious sites had been damaged or looted in Russia’s invasion by December last year.)

Taylor Greene’s move to oust Johnson was supported by the Kentucky representative Thomas Massie, who also backed an ultimately successful attempt to remove a previous Republican speaker, John Boehner, nearly a decade ago.

Other Republican rightwingers are unhappy, too, though they have so far stopped short of moving to topple the speaker. That might be because Trump, the party’s presumptive nominee for president who is currently on trial on fraud charges relating to paying hush money to keep American voters from learning about his alleged affair with an adult film star, has backed Johnson.

So have all four Republican chairs of the key House committees – foreign affairs, intelligence, armed services and appropriations - a position driven by the sheer urgency of Ukraine’s predicament.


 
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Congress has voted overwhelmingly to approve the military aid today. The Republican Party has divided into two factions with 101 breaking with their colleagues in a nearly fifty-fifty split.

Does this mean that a sizable portion of the Republicans in Congress are abandoning their allegiance to Trump?


(US House approves $61bn in military aid for Ukraine after months of stalling
 
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Congress has voted overwhelmingly to approve the military aid today. The Republican Party has divided into two factions with 101 breaking with their colleagues in a nearly fifty-fifty split.

Does this mean that a sizable portion of the Republicans in Congress are abandoning their allegiance to Trump?


(US House approves $61bn in military aid for Ukraine after months of stalling

I have no idea. Perhaps my getting a new cabin soon will be just in time for........ Civil War!
 
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"Branded “Moscow Marjorie” by former Republican representative Ken Buck, who said she gets her talking points from the Kremlin, Taylor Greene went further by accusing Ukraine of waging “a war against Christianity”.

“The Ukrainian government is attacking Christians, the Ukrainian government is executing priests,” she said. “Russia is not doing that. They’re not attacking Christianity.” (In fact, according to figures from the Institute for Religious Freedom, a Ukrainian group, at least 630 religious sites had been damaged or looted in Russia’s invasion by December last year.
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Ukrainian Christian groups face violent crackdown from Russian forces

  • Simon Ostrovsky:
    All across Russian-occupied Ukraine, soldiers are shutting down places of worship that don't fit the world Vladimir Putin wants to build.
  • Since the occupation, evangelical congregations, Protestant churches, all the non-Russian Orthodox Christian faiths have been deemed undesirable and tens of thousands of believers have been forced to flee. Those who remain gather in secret in private homes for fear of angering the new regime.
 
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Well, at least in the R. party there can still be a difference of opinion. In the D. party there is overwhelming pressure to toe the party line or its "Hit the Road Jack".
The Democrats have a “party line”?
 
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Well, at least in the R. party there can still be a difference of opinion. In the D. party there is overwhelming pressure to toe the party line or its "Hit the Road Jack".
That was an interesting difference of opinion between Republicans since it split the Congressional party into two halves. To me it looks as if the pro-Trump group has become a lot weaker. Now that Trump's iron grip on the Republican Party has palpably loosened others will slip away. Seeing him in the dock tomorrow as the prosecution is developed will loosen that grip further.

I sniff something in the wind - the beginning of the end for Trump politics.
 
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Does anybody know what she's talking about with her claim that the Ukrainian government is executing priests?
The list of crackpot conspiracy theories MTG believes is unending. At one time, she supported a "national divorce" that would separate red and blue states. She thought George Soros--always a right-wing whipping boy--was a Nazi.. (BTW, is there even such a thing as a Jewish Nazi?) She denied that a jetliner crashed into the Pentagon as part of the 9/11 attacks. She claimed that Nancy Pelosi was guilty of treason, which she thinks is a capital offense. Marjorie is an off-the-chart screwball. Whoever buys into her paranoia, reminds me of an Aretha Franklin song:

 
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(BTW, is there even such a thing as a Jewish Nazi?)
Actually there was.....
Jewish collaboration with Nazis refers to the activities before and during World War II of a disproportionally large number of Jewish persons working, voluntarily or involuntarily, with the anti-Semitic regime of Nazi Germany, with different motivations. The term and history have remained controversial, regarding the exact nature of "collaboration" in some cases.........Wiki

No reason why there can't still be some around.....
 
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"Branded “Moscow Marjorie” by former Republican representative Ken Buck, who said she gets her talking points from the Kremlin, Taylor Greene went further by accusing Ukraine of waging “a war against Christianity”.

“The Ukrainian government is attacking Christians, the Ukrainian government is executing priests,” she said. “Russia is not doing that. They’re not attacking Christianity.” (In fact, according to figures from the Institute for Religious Freedom, a Ukrainian group, at least 630 religious sites had been damaged or looted in Russia’s invasion by December last year.
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Republicans erupt into open warfare over Ukraine aid package vote

As the speaker of the House finally allows a vote to go forward on aid, GOP infighting is tearing apart the party

Republican divisions over military support for Ukraine were long simmering. Now, before Saturday’s extraordinary vote in Congress on a foreign aid package, they have erupted into open warfare – a conflict that the vote itself is unlikely to contain.
Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House of Representatives, triggered an all-out split in his own party’s ranks last week by finally agreeing, after months of stalling, to a floor vote on the $95bn foreign aid programme. Passed by the Senate in February, it contained about $60bn for Ukraine, $14bn for Israel, and a smaller amount for Taiwan and other Pacific allies.

Johnson’s decision to finally bring the package to a vote made a highly symbolic break with the GOP’s far right, the people who engineered his elevation to the speaker’s chair last October after toppling his predecessor, Kevin McCarthy. These Republican rightwingers – reflecting the affinity of their political idol, the former president Donald Trump, for the Russian president, Vladimir Putin – have grown openly hostile to Ukraine’s cause.

Speaking from the Capitol on Thursday, Johnson made no apologies for antagonising them, telling C-SPAN that providing aid to Ukraine was “critically important” and “the right thing” despite the potential power of his opponents to bring him down in yet another internal party coup.


“I really believe the intel and the briefings that we’ve gotten,” Johnson said. “I believe that Xi and Vladimir Putin and Iran really are an axis of evil. I think they are in coordination on this. I think that Vladimir Putin would continue to march through Europe.

“I am going to allow an opportunity for every single member of the House to vote their conscience and their will,” he said, adding: “I’m willing to take a personal risk for that, because we have to do the right thing. And history will judge us.”

The backlash was fierce. Marjorie Taylor Greene, the outspoken Georgia representative, immediately filed a resolution demanding Johnson’s removal, called the bill a “sham”.

“I don’t care if the speaker’s office becomes a revolving door,” Taylor Greene told Steve Bannon, Trump’s former adviser, on his War Room channel. “The days are over of the old Republican party that wants to fund foreign wars and murder people in foreign lands while they stab the American people in their face and refuse to protect Americans and fix our problems.”

Branded “Moscow Marjorie” by former Republican representative Ken Buck, who said she gets her talking points from the Kremlin, Taylor Greene went further by accusing Ukraine of waging “a war against Christianity”.

“The Ukrainian government is attacking Christians, the Ukrainian government is executing priests,” she said. “Russia is not doing that. They’re not attacking Christianity.” (In fact, according to figures from the Institute for Religious Freedom, a Ukrainian group, at least 630 religious sites had been damaged or looted in Russia’s invasion by December last year.)

Taylor Greene’s move to oust Johnson was supported by the Kentucky representative Thomas Massie, who also backed an ultimately successful attempt to remove a previous Republican speaker, John Boehner, nearly a decade ago.

Other Republican rightwingers are unhappy, too, though they have so far stopped short of moving to topple the speaker. That might be because Trump, the party’s presumptive nominee for president who is currently on trial on fraud charges relating to paying hush money to keep American voters from learning about his alleged affair with an adult film star, has backed Johnson.

So have all four Republican chairs of the key House committees – foreign affairs, intelligence, armed services and appropriations - a position driven by the sheer urgency of Ukraine’s predicament.



"Open Warfare" is a term that means the use of arms is involved.

"Arms" is guns and bullets and various kinds of like-minded weaponry.

Therefore, your OP is seriously telling people lies, as no one is shooting people.

Please correct any egregious misuse of the English language, most especially before critiquing others on the other side of the aisle.
 
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Actually there was.....
Jewish collaboration with Nazis refers to the activities before and during World War II of a disproportionally large number of Jewish persons working, voluntarily or involuntarily, with the anti-Semitic regime of Nazi Germany, with different motivations. The term and history have remained controversial, regarding the exact nature of "collaboration" in some cases.........Wiki

No reason why there can't still be some around.....
As well as being well off-topic, that is more or less total rubbish, isn't it?
 
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"Open Warfare" is a term that means the use of arms is involved.

"Arms" is guns and bullets and various kinds of like-minded weaponry.

Therefore, your OP is seriously telling people lies, as no one is shooting people.

Please correct any egregious misuse of the English language, most especially before critiquing others on the other side of the aisle.
:rolleyes:

Not everything is meant to be read literally.
 
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Not everything is meant to be read literally.
Not even the original post?
Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House of Representatives, triggered an all-out split in his own party’s ranks last week
That is to be taken literally. The Republicans split roughly fifty-fifty. Nothing metaphorical about that. It looks to me as if the Trump influence on the Party has weakened. Many reluctant, cajoled and frightened Trump followers in Congress have resisted his influence. Done once and it becomes easier.
 
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Not even the original post?

That is to be taken literally. The Republicans split roughly fifty-fifty. Nothing metaphorical about that. It looks to me as if the Trump influence on the Party has weakened. Many reluctant, cajoled and frightened Trump followers in Congress have resisted his influence. Done once and it becomes easier.
There are enough context clues to inform a reasonable reader as to which parts are intended to be literal and which parts are intended to be figurative or hyperbolic.
 
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There are enough context clues to inform a reasonable reader as to which parts are intended to be literal and which parts are intended to be figurative or hyperbolic.
I am more interested in the fact of the Republican split than semantics.
 
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