Mystery Babylon

[Fisherking]

Just admit you made a mistake. That the text does not say beasts plural. Of the seven heads - one, king 7, will become the beast-king 8 after being killed and brought back to life.

No, THE BEAST Represents all 7 of those Beasts from Egypt, to Rome to the Anti-Christ, good grief man, the very next verse says it has 7 Heads can you not read? You are the worst at not being able to admit you were in error. You KNOW this stands for the 7 Kingdoms that were over Israel. SMH.

The ten kings and the little horn come out of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:23-25. i.e out of the Roman Empire manifested in the end times as the EU.

The 10 is the E.U. and by the time the E.U. conquers everyone we see he conquers in Dan. 11:40-43 we see that the E.U. Beast and Roman Beast look just alike on a map.

The 7th angel, not the first angel, sounding announces what the third woe will be to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13

Satan chases the Women (Israel) for 1260 days. Not for 75 days. Satan is cast down as a part of God's wrath. The Anti-Christ is released as a part of God's wrath, you get the king your heart so desires. The A.C. only rules over Europe, and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

 

[Douggg]

No, THE BEAST Represents all 7 of those Beasts from Egypt, to Rome to the Anti-Christ, good grief man, the very next verse says it has 7 Heads can you not read? You are the worst at not being able to admit you were in error. You KNOW this stands for the 7 Kingdoms that were over Israel. SMH.

You are one person. You have ten fingers and ten toes. Does that make you twenty persons ? No, it does not.

The text says that the 7 heads are 7 mountains where the woman sits. And that there are 7 kings - not 7 kingdoms.

The woman sits in Rome. The 7 kings are associated with the Roman Empire.

1 Julius Caesar.
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero

7. end time little horn person
8 . the beast king (the little horn person after being killed and brought back to life)

 

[Douggg]

Satan chases the Women (Israel) for 1260 days. Not for 75 days. Satan is cast down as a part of God's wrath. The Anti-Christ is released as a part of God's wrath, you get the king your heart so desires. The A.C. only rules over Europe, and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Stop with the lies and the personal attacks. Or get reported.

The person is in the Antichrist stage only for the time he is the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

I never said that Satan chases the woman for 75 days. I never said chases. And never said for a period of 75 days that Satan chases the woman.

 

[Fisherking]

You are one person. You have ten fingers and ten toes. Does that make you twenty persons ? No, it does not.

This makes no sense brother, and you know it, the 7 Headed Beast is God verbiage, not a real being. The 7 Heads represents 7 Beasts who will arise (like Mountains) to power over Israel. The 7 Kings represents those same 7 powers falling as kingdoms. That's why 5 of the 7 have already fallen by the time John wrote this.

7 = Divine Completion. 10 = Completion.

The text says that the 7 heads are 7 mountains where the woman sits. And that there are 7 kings - not 7 kingdoms.

The 7 Mountains of Powers is where the Harlot (False Religion) sits, well, YEA..................each one was serving false gods not the one true God. So, each Kingdom when it falls is led by ONE KING !! The whole reason it is given this away is to make everyone understand that the Last Beast, the A.C./Little Horn/Beast both ARISES & FALLS and thus the LAST BEAST is ONE MAN.

The woman sits in Rome. The 7 kings are associated with the Roman Empire.

1 Julius Caesar.
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero

Give me a break brother. This is not worthy of me even discussing it as far as I am concerned.

7. end time little horn person
8 . the beast king (the little horn person after being killed and brought back to life)

1.) Egypt
2.) Assyria
3.) Babylon
4.) Persia
5.) Greece
6.) Rome
7.) The Anti-Christ Beast MAN

8. Is of THE SEVEN, the scripture says this, but he is an 8th and there is only 7, meaning he is a Demon. We know the passage says he WAS............IS NOT...........YET IS, meaning he is a Demon. Hos name is Apollyon.

Stop with the lies and the personal attacks. Or get reported.

If I have to I will place you on ignore and just stop replying unto you. The fact you do not understand that RED PORTION as a reference unto God giving Israel a king when He desired no such thing, and thus they got a king THEY DESIRED, and he was the evil Saul, then I can't help you out there brother.

Just like when Israel demanded a King and got Saul, in the end times Israel will get ther hearts desire, NOT YOU, you know I am pre trib right? So, YOU will not be here in the 70th week, the YOU is in reference unto Israel getting the king their hearts so desired. They join the E.U. and get the King their heart so desired. The YOU is the Royal you as in Mankind in general, but here specifically its about Israel, as was the original reference. REPORTING on the message board, SMH.

The person is in the Antichrist stage only for the time he is the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

And that was my point, they get the King their hearts so desire, for 1260 days.

I never said that Satan chases the woman for 75 days. I never said chases. And never said for a period of 75 days that Satan chases the woman.

Well, the 7th Trump is blown 75 days before Jesus' 2nd coming. These are facts. No Trumps gets blown until the Middle of the 70th week. You understanding that or not brother is not going to change those factoids. The Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming of Jesus ends all these wonders. They this have to be "Witnesses" for 1260 days before they die, thus when they die there can only be 75 days left before Jesus' return, so when we add that up........

1335 - 1260 = 75.

The two-witnesses die at the end of the 2nd Woe, just before the 3rd woe [COMES QUICKLY) and thus the 7th Trump brings the 3rd Woe which is all 7 Vials. Thus the 7 Vials & 3rd Woe (one and the same) can only last for 75 days. You understanding that or not can't be factor in those timelines brother.

I stated the facts, that if Satan was cast down at the 7th Trump's STARTIG POINT he could only chase her for 75 days because that is how long the 7th Trump/3rd Woe/7 Vials (all one and the same) lasts for.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Good point. I do think the "great city" in Rev 11 may be Jerusalem, because it is where Jesus was crucified, although he was also crucified under a Roman governor. Nevertheless, Rev 17 speaks of a great city that rules over that part of the world, which has to be Rome.

Rev 17.18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

So the "greatness" of this city is more of a *political greatness* than any other kind of greatness that you may want to apply. Jerusalem was *not* great, politically, except perhaps in the time of Solomon.

The "greatness" of Jerusalem was in the residence of the "great King," God Almighty. But the city referred to in Rev 17 is not "great" because God is there, but rather, because it is *politically great.* But again, you're entitled to your opinion.

Under a Roman governor is not where Jesus was crucified. This is an error of many commentators. They wrongly apply “city” to “ruling system“ rather than a particular city which has boundaries and borders.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Actually, Rome killed Jesus, the Apostles, and many NT prophets.

Really? I must have a different Bible than you.

 

[RandyPNW]

Really? I must have a different Bible than you.

You should get the Christian Bible.

 

[RandyPNW]

Under a Roman governor is not where Jesus was crucified. This is an error of many commentators. They wrongly apply “city” to “ruling system“ rather than a particular city which has boundaries and borders.

I'm not making that "mistake." I'm applying this to the city of Rome, which rules as an empire.

The Prophets spend "equal time" in dealing with Israel's sins as with the sins of pagan nations. So I can see how we might differ on the question of whether "Babylon" is Jerusalem or Rome. It's up to you.

 

[Douggg]

. The 7 Heads represents 7 Beasts who will arise (like Mountains) to power over Israel. The 7 Kings represents those same 7 powers falling as kingdoms. That's why 5 of the 7 have already fallen by the time John wrote this.

It does not say anywhere in Revelation 17 that the 7 heads represent 7 beasts.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The location of where the woman sits is Rome. And that there are 7 kings associated with the kingdom of that location

The little horn and the ten kings in Daniel 7:23-25 are of the fourth kingdom in that chapter - the Roman Empire.

Well, the 7th Trump is blown 75 days before Jesus' 2nd coming. These are facts

The 7th angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

How long is that short time ? That Satan makes war on the remnant of the woman's seed, who did not flee to the wilderness in time?

 

[Fisherking]

It does not say anywhere in Revelation 17 that the 7 heads represent 7 beasts.

The Woman/Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time, she has the blood of the [Jewish] Saints and the Martyrs of Jesus on her hands. So, the Woman (False Religion) was conjoined with every false Gov. Beast.

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore(Why) didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. {{ Jesus like the Rev. 12 and Rev. 13 Beast, they are all one and the same, a FIGURATIVE BEAST, whom Satan the Red Dragon is over, and whom Apollyon the Scarlet Beast is over. In Rev. 13 we see the 7th Head is the A.C. }}

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit(Apollyon), and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. {{ The Harlot is All False Religion of All Time, thus of course she was comingled with those 7 Beast nations, she sits on thousands of Mountains, but here, only 7 are spoken about. }}

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen(This is not hard, we know who they were, you have to say its not so you can proffer its the Roman Emperors), and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings(E.U.), which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour(42 months) with the beast.

The location of where the woman sits is Rome. And that there are 7 kings associated with the kingdom of that location

No, False Religion sits EVERYWHERE, but God is only speaking of 7 Beast Kingdoms here.

The little horn and the ten kings in Daniel 7:23-25 are of the fourth kingdom in that chapter - the Roman Empire.

The A.C. is a 5th Beast in Daniel, and a 7th overall.

The 7th angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13.

And that happens AFTER the 2nd Woe has passed.

How long is that short time ? That Satan makes war on the remnant of the woman's seed, who did not flee to the wilderness in time?

Well, we KNOW the A.C. rules for 1260 days so that the answer.

 

[Douggg]

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. {{ The Harlot is All False Religion of All Time, thus of course she was comingled with those 7 Beast nations, she sits on thousands of Mountains, but here, only 7 are spoken about. }}

There no 7 Beast nations in Revelation 17 in the text. It also does not say that woman sits on thousands of Mountains.

0 And there are seven kings: five are fallen(This is not hard, we know who they were, you have to say its not so you can proffer its the Roman Emperors), and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Here is what you are claiming... you list 6 empires... then completely different you list the 7th kingdom as a man. That makes no sense.

1.) Egypt
2.) Assyria
3.) Babylon
4.) Persia
5.) Greece
6.) Rome
7.) The Anti-Christ Beast MAN

The A.C. is a 5th Beast in Daniel, and a 7th overall.

In Daniel 7:23-25, the little horn and the ten kings come out of the fourth empire. Nothing is mentioned about a 5th Beast in Daniel 7.

And that happens AFTER the 2nd Woe has passed.

Well, we KNOW the A.C. rules for 1260 days so that the answer.

John had already been shown what the 2nd woe was to be, and in that verse Revelation 11:14 John would shorty be shown what the 3rd woe will be. Satan is not the Antichrist. In the text of Revelation 12:14, Satan's short time left will be a time, times, half time. Which is a lot more than 75 days.

You subtract 1260 days from 1335 days to come up with 75 days - numerically, that you say Satan pursues the woman. But Revelation 12:14-17 says a time, times, half time.

 

[eleos1954]

Hi eleos, if you want to identify the woman turned harlot in Revelation 17 as the Vatican, I don't have a disagreement with that. Look at what happens to that harlot though in Revelation 17:16...

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

...basically it is saying that the Vatican will be burnt to the ground.

We have to differentiate the identity of the woman turned harlot (the Vatican) - and the meaning of the name on her forehead in Revelation 17:5

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The woman herself is not Babylon the Great - but she has been influenced by Babylon the Great to have become a harlot.

Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels.

Babylon the great is composed of all false religious systems with the "mother of harlots" (mother = papacy) (harlots = apostate "christian systems" that follow her ways).

When the political and religious power (unites) there is great prosecution that takes place ... it is then when those who "followed the beast" (most of the world) will realize they have been deceived and will attempt to destroy her ... how long this goes on is unknown ... we only know it will be cut short for the sake of the elect.

Filled with hatred, the ten horns, which are the successor powers to the divided nations of Europe, filled with hatred, suddenly turn against the harlot Babylon (the end-time manifestation of the papacy), making her desolate and naked; they symbolically will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. In writing about what will happen to the harlot Babylon, John employs language similar to what God said would happen to adulterous Jerusalem (Jeremiah 4:30). Burning by fire was the punishment for a priest’s daughter who was involved in sexual immorality (Leviticus 21:9). The deceived political powers have become disillusioned because of the inability of Babylon to protect them from the plagues. They feel deceived and, in hostility, attack her. This end-time apostate religious system, together with all those who choose to identify themselves with it, experiences the fullness of divine judgment (when Jesus returns) but this is not the full end .... the earth and it's inhabitants is destroyed ... left desolate .... when Jesus returns the 1st resurrection (of the saved) happens and those are taken to heaven for the 1,000 years .... after that then the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) happens and then Gods kingdom from heaven descends to the earth and they attack the Holy City (battle of Armageddon)

No doubt satan is behind all apostate church systems ... the mystery is deception... The mystery is how so many are able to be deceived. The mystery of iniquity.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 concerns the working of lawlessness in the world, leading to a worldwide rebellion against God. It works in secret right now, but it is working. The revelation of this lawlessness will coincide with the revelation of the Antichrist, mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:8. The man of sin’s rise to power will represent a climax of lawlessness, a satanic movement against the administration of God. This secret, behind-the-scenes movement is as yet restrained but waiting to be revealed.

 

[Fisherking]

Here is what you are claiming... you list 6 empires... then completely different you list the 7th kingdom as a man. That makes no sense.

1.) Egypt
2.) Assyria
3.) Babylon
4.) Persia
5.) Greece
6.) Rome
7.) The Anti-Christ Beast MAN

Of course it makes sense, I can walk you through why it makes sense, the question is will you listen to the factoids I present. God has His subtle ways of telling us things that need to be known later on.

In Dan. 7 we get the Four Great Beasts before Gabriel starts interpreting right? Now listen to Gabriel.

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

So, a Beast is one who has power over a region/nation, here God uses these powers to try and bring Israel back in line. But notice says the Beast arose as Four Kings, this is important in Rev. 17. A Kingdom is only a Beast "Kingdom" when the original Beast King passes it on. As vs. 17 above shows, God sees them that ARISE as Beast Kings, which turn into Beast Kingdoms.

The Anti-Christ only rules 1260 days as the Beast King, then Jesus shows up and slays him by the presence of his coming. Dan. 7:11 agrees, the Beasts BODY is DESTROYED and cast into hellfire. Rev. 19:20 agrees, the Beast and False Prophet are cast into hell. So, as God says via Gabriel, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome all started out as Beast Kings first. Now you might call them Kingdoms, other might, but God is giving us who brought about the subjugation of a Region/Nation, and that was done to start with by one man giving orders. Then after they die it became a de-facto Beast Kingdom.

In Daniel 7:23-25, the little horn and the ten kings come out of the fourth empire. Nothing is mentioned about a 5th Beast in Daniel 7.

Yes it is. it says HE is different from the First (Rome) so that signifies the Beast that arises amongst the 10 or in the E.U. will not rule as a Beast over Israel like Rome the CRUSHER of Bones did, the E.U. brings all this to pass politically speaking to start with, he gets nations to disarm themselves, then pounces.

 

[Jan001]

I've looked at Jerusalem as the possible "Great harlot." But Jerusalem is not "great." Rome was "great" in John's time. Jerusalem has been viewed, biblically, as a "harlot." But in the endtimes we look forward to Jerusalem's restoration. Rome will be "burned." You have to form your own opinion, though. Take care....

Jerusalem is the great harlot. Jerusalem is the great city which crucified the Lord, Jesus Christ.

Revelation 11:8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified.

Their Lord was crucified in the outskirts of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the great city. Jerusalem is the harlot. The dead bodies symbolically refer to the books of the law and the prophets, who prophesied the coming of their Messiah, Jesus Christ. Most of the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah.

Matthew 23:31 Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets.

Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not?

Matthew 20:18 Behold we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed to the chief priests and the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death.

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day and to morrow, and the day following, because it cannot be that a prophet perish, out of Jerusalem.

 

[Daniel&Revelation777]

Perfect, now start putting the two concepts together and the Mystery will be revealed.

I will give you folks some hints...

Genesis 4:11
"And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand"

Who drank Abel's Blood? It was EARTH. Simple. One verse reveals who she is. keep adding up the evidence...

Isaiah 26:21
"For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain."

• Who will disclose the Blood she drank? EARTH.
• Who will no more cover her slain? EARTH.

One more hint...

Matthew 23:35
"That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

What happens to the Blood after Earth drinks it? It gets placed onto Earthly Jerusalem. From there it goes somewhere else.

I will stop here for now.

This is extremely interesting Qubit. Thanks for sharing. How does this tie in with Revelation 13 when the Dragon spews water out of his mouth like a river/flood after the Woman, but then the EARTH opens its mouth to swallow the flood so that the Woman can flee into the desert/wilderness? Are you saying that the "Earth" refers specifically of Jerusalem and/or the Kingdom of Judea? Please share more....

 

[Daniel&Revelation777]

Jerusalem is the great harlot. Jerusalem is the great city which crucified the Lord, Jesus Christ.

Revelation 11:8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified.

Their Lord was crucified in the outskirts of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the great city. Jerusalem is the harlot. The dead bodies symbolically refer to the books of the law and the prophets, who prophesied the coming of their Messiah, Jesus Christ. Most of the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah.

Matthew 23:31 Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets.

Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not?

Matthew 20:18 Behold we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed to the chief priests and the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death.

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day and to morrow, and the day following, because it cannot be that a prophet perish, out of Jerusalem "Revelation 11:8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified."

The Angel told John that the "Great City" RULES (present tense) over the Kings of the Earth. What City was ruling over the Kings of the Earth in John's day? Rome.

Was Jerusalem ruling the Kings of the Earth at that time or was it being ruled by the Romans?
Jerusalem was a Roman Province being governed by puppet Kings for the Roman Empire. Technically, Jesus wasn't crucified in Jerusalem but outside of the city at a place called Golgotha.

The great city is being likened spiritually to sodom (a city) and Egypt (a NATION) where also Jesus was crucified. so whichever way we want to look at it, Jesus was crucified within a Roman province, which was part of the Roman Empire, of which its capital was Rome, Italy; which ruled over the Kings of the earth.

If you disagree, please show when in history did Jerusalem rule over the Kings of the earth prior to or after its destruction in 70 AD...
Also please explain how Jerusalem being destroyed causes the great merchants of the earth became rich from the abundance of her delicacies and how they weep and wail at her destruction because no one buys their merchandise anymore; and how the ships of the sea stand afar watching for fear of her torment?

The reason the Mother harlot is called Mystery BABYLON the great, is because it was to rule over the then known world at that time JUST as ancient Babylon did when it conquered the surrounding Nations and ruled them with an iron rod. Ancient Babylon also destroyed Jerusalem. We see Rome accomplished both these feats.

Old covenant Israel and Jerusalem were referred to as a Harlot because of their wicked deeds, idolatry, and worship of false gods, they were unfaithful. In the same way, part of New Covenant Israel (The Christian Church) would also be unfaithful and become the Mother of Harlots through the Roman Catholic Papacy which mixes Paganism with Christianity, and also historically persecuted the Saints through the dark ages and the inqusition.

 

[Daniel&Revelation777]

@Jan001, I want to make a correction to my previous post... I meant to say Judea was a Roman Province not Jerusalem. Also I'd like to clarify my question better: "please explain how Jerusalem fits the description about the great merchants of the earth becoming rich from the abundance of her delicacies, and how they weep and wail at her destruction since no one buys their merchandise anymore; and how the ships of the sea stand far off watching for fear of her torment?

 

[Qubit]

Hi @Daniel&Revelation777 .

This is extremely interesting Qubit. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, and you're welcome.

How does this tie in with Revelation 13 when the Dragon spews water out of his mouth like a river/flood after the Woman, but then the EARTH opens its mouth to swallow the flood so that the Woman can flee into the desert/wilderness?

This would take a very long time to explain because most Christians are not taught the proper symbolism of the Serpent...

Revelation 12:15
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood."

Christians are almost always looking 'outwardly' for the answers (e.g. current events, empires, world leaders, geopolitics, etc.). They failed to seek the Kingdom of God Within first (i.e., human biology/physiology) and compare Scripture to it.

Matthew 6:33
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

That is where to find the ultimate Truth. I will show you the 'Meat of the Word' that is never taught.

The Serpent (note it does not say Dragon, there is a difference) in Revelation 12:15 represents a phallus that is casting seminal fluid out of its 'mouth'. That is what the symbolism is ultimately teaching. Words like 'waters', 'flood', 'rivers', etc. have a euphemistic meaning to them.

2 Samuel 22:5
"When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid"

Seminal fluid may contain a 'flood of ungodly men' in it that have not been conceived yet. Do you understand? Look...

Isaiah 8:7 (New International Version)
“Therefore the Lord is about to bring against them the mighty floodwaters of the Euphrates— the king of Assyria with all his pomp. It will overflow all its channels, run over all its banks.”

The 'mighty floodwaters' refer to the King of Assyria and his army. The symbolism is consistent throughout the Bible. For example, the Masculine Throne (Phallus) in New Jerusalem (Womb) is 'watering' or FERTILIZING the Feminine Tree of Life (Ovary) via the 'Waters' (Seminal Fluid). Why? Because it is all about becoming Born Again... literally.

Thus, the Serpent is trying to cast its 'Serpent Seed' at the Woman on the Moon. Why? The Woman is carrying Abraham's Seed. The Serpent is trying to impregnate her first so that the Woman conceives an 'ungodly man' instead of Isaac, Jacob, David, Jesus, etc. The Serpent is trying to corrupt the lineage from Abraham/Sarah to Joseph/Mary. It is a Seed War. It is describing Biology.

Again, Christians have no idea what they are reading because they are never taught the 'Meat of the Word', i.e. Adult Education. The symbolism is meant for anyone in any timeline to understand using basic human physiology as a guide.

If you are looking for the 'Milk of the Word' understanding, I will post it last.

Are you saying that the "Earth" refers specifically of Jerusalem and/or the Kingdom of Judea? Please share more....

Using the 'Kingdom of God Within' method of interpretation (as we are instructed to do first), we discover that Earth is anthropomorphized as a 'Mother'. Not just any Mother however, but the BIOLOGICAL MOTHER of the Human Race. That is the symbolism. She represents our corrupt genetics. This is why we need Salvation. It is a Biology issue.

Earthly Jerusalem therefore represents Earth's Womb. The Jerusalem Temple represents the Zygote by which our Temple Body is wrought from. That is what Scripture teaches. We are born from the 'lowest parts of the Earth' (i.e., Most Holy Place)...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."

Again, it is euphemism. Thus, when Earthly Jerusalem (the 'Womb' of Mystery Babylon) 'sits' on a 'Mountain', it is a picture of procreation...

Revelation 17:9
"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

Mountains are also representative of the Male Phallus. And since you now know that the 'Serpent Heads' of the Dragon represent the Male Phallus, you can deduce what the 'Waters' are that she 'sits' on...

Revelation 17:1-2
"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication."

The Harlot 'sits' (fornicates) with the 'heads' (Male Member) by which proceed 'Many Waters' (Seminal Fluid) thus conceiving Seven Kings.

Again, the 'Waters' is a flood of ungodly men before conception...

Revelation 17:15
"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

Christians have no idea that the Peoples, Multitudes, Nations and Tongues are referring to those that she gave birth to! In other words, the entire Human Race.

There is much more of course.

Anyhow, here is something I posted in another thread...

I am going to post an alternative timeline to Revelation 12 for folks to check out.

Revelation 12:1
"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:"

I believe the Woman represents Sarah. The Moon represents her Seed (Ovum). The Sun she is clothed with represents Abraham's Seed (Sperm). The entire scene is a picture of Isaac being conceived. The Twelve Stars represent the Twelve Tribes that will eventually come from Abraham and Sarah's Seed.

Sarah gives birth to Isaac, who begins the lineage that leads to the birth of Jesus.

Revelation 12:3-4
"And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

Satan is angry that God chose Abraham and Sarah to be the ones whose seed will give rise to the Twelve Tribes and ultimately Jesus. Satan begins to send fallen angels to Earth in preparation for war. I believe Sodom and Gomorrah are connected to this event...

Jude 1:6-7
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

The above verse clearly teaches that Sodom and Gomorrah is one of the places where Angels left their first estate. In other words, they become fallen angels. Note that Michael is at war with Satan during this time...

Jude 1:9
"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."

Birth of Issac

Revelation 12:5
"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."

The birth of Isaac is symbolic of the birth of Jesus. Jesus mentions this here...

John 8:56
"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad."

Next...

Revelation 12:6
"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

The Seed of Abraham and Sarah flees to the Wilderness during the Exodus. The birth of Jesus occurs 1,260 years later (day/year principle). The Seed is 'fed' or nurtured through the various men and women of the Old Testament, generation after generation...

Matthew 1:17
"So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations."

War in Heaven

Revelation 12:7
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"

Again, this war most likely happened during Sodom and Gomorrah.

Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

A perfect fit for the Dragon cast to Earth is Pharaoh..

Ezekiel 29:3
"Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself."

Pharaoh is the King of Egypt, the first 'head' of the Dragon. He goes after Abraham and Sarah's Seed...

Revelation 12:13
"And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child."

As mentioned already, the Woman flees to the Wilderness of Exodus...

Revelation 12:14
"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

Abraham and Sarah's Seed is nourished in the wombs of the various women throughout the Old Testament (1,260 years). The Seed is also symbolized by the various Tabernacles and Temples.

Revelation 12:15
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood."

The above verse symbolizes the Red Sea that was in the way of the Israelites.

The Red Sea is parted...

Revelation 12:16
"And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."

Revelation 12:17
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Satan is angry and continues the war against Abraham and Sarah's Seed through the various Antichrists throughout the Old Testament...

1. King of Egypt
2. King of Assyria
3. King of Babylon
4. King of Medo-Persia
5. King of Greece
6. King of Rome
7. TBD

And there you have it. The rich and incredible history of the Israelites and the Old Testament is no longer marginalized and thrown into the garbage as so many Christians have done by placing Revelation 12 later in the timeline (or even future).

'Her Seed' represents Abraham's Seed, not Mary's Seed. The Redeemed are grafted into Her Seed...

Galatians 3:29
"And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

The Promise is through Sarah, not Mary...

Galatians 4:26
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."

Therefore, I believe Revelation 12 may be interpreted as already happened long ago.

 

[Qubit]

1.) Egypt
2.) Assyria
3.) Babylon
4.) Persia
5.) Greece
6.) Rome
7.) The Anti-Christ Beast MAN

8. Is of THE SEVEN, the scripture says this, but he is an 8th and there is only 7, meaning he is a Demon. We know the passage says he WAS............IS NOT...........YET IS, meaning he is a Demon.

I agree with the above. Here is a graphic I made for reference...

Sorry @Douggg , but by making it all about Rome, you are throwing away all of the rich history of the Old Testament and everything the Israelites went through.

 

[Douggg]

Sorry @Douggg , but by making it all about Rome, you are throwing awaythe rich history of the Old Testament and everything the Israelites went through.

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.


The seven mountains identify where the woman sits - Rome.

And there are seven kings associated with the place where the woman sits - Rome

Revelation 17 is not about "the rich history of the Old Testament and everything the Israelites went through".