biblelesson
Well-Known Member
- Jun 11, 2021
- 1,120
- 407
- 66
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
I don't know exactly how it works, but I became a believer in my 20s and I can point to times when I felt things before becoming a believer which directed me to Christ, and which felt similar to the Holy Spirit nudgings I've gotten since. Was this the Holy Spirit? That becomes an interesting question. The Bible seems to say that the Holy Spirit indwells you after believing, but at the same time it was something. And we know that God works within the hearts and lives of every man, to the extent that no person will have any excuse as to why they didn't know Him. Is that the Holy Spirit, or some other Godly force? I think Holy Spirit, but am not sure.
The gospel provides all the answers regarding salvation. Sometimes we must pray for revelation to understand what the gospel teachings are saying. It is the gospel (the gospel of Christ) that is unto salvation to everyone that believes, Romans 1:16. We are taught in the gospel that we are drawn to Christ and God does the drawing through the Holy Spirit. John 6:44, "No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him.." There is a drawing, which is the work of the Holy Spirit, and there is an indwelling where the Holy Spirit indwells the believer. These are two different things.Just a discussion here, I'm not interested in debating.
I just want to know what others views are on this question? If a person already had a background in religion, believed in their heart in the Heavenly Father, but was never taught properly about the Holy Trinity (e.g. that Jesus is the Son of God, but is not God) could they still have the Holy Spirit convicting them and guiding them in things like spiritual discernment?
edit* I ask this question because it seems before I came to Christ, I was being drawn.
John 6
44 For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up. 45 As it is written in the Scriptures, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
I have recently (in the past year) come to Christ. I'm asking this question out of curiosity, because the only point of difference to my experiences with God has been Jesus. (Albeit, the proper addition of Jesus to my understanding has made a big difference).
Experience appreciated, thanks
The scripture that relates to John 6:44 is Ephesians 1:4, which says, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." "That we should be holy" is not telling us to do something to be holy; it's saying because God Has determined that we "should be holy before him," he has made the decision to chose us in His Son who has shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins, which His Son, Jesus makes us holy by the blood that was shed.
We can't deny that Christ is God, because we deny the deity of Christ if we do. When Christ was on the earth, he was God and Man. He was a holy seed, born of the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of God, Luke 1:35, and he was also born of a fleshly woman, Mary. Yet he had none of the Adamic nature that we have because he was not born of a man's seed, (Joseph was not his father), but he was born of God's Holy seed, Luke 1:35. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh (man), Romans 8:3-4, so that He would be able to offer himself as a sacrifice for man, while being without sin, without the sinful nature of man.
God calls those who he chooses to salvation. God also gives us repentance, 2 Timothy 2:25, 2 Peter 3:9. We cannot repent on our own, because salvation is based on grace, a free gift, nothing that we do, not even our repentance. God gives us repentance. The thing we are asked to do is to believe on Christ. Believe He is the Son of God. Believe He is our savior. Believe we are sinful and need Him for our forgiveness.
When we truly believe in Him then we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus. If we don't believe Jesus is God, then how can we believe in Him, then the Holy Spirit will not indwell that person because the Holy Spirit will not deny Christ?
John 8:58, "Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 20:28, And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Prophetic Scripture about Christ: Isiah 9:6-7, "For unto us a son is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called "Wonderful, Consellor, The might God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
God bless you!
Last edited:
Upvote
0