FBI Authorized Use of Deadly Force During Mar-a-Lago Raid

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The sexual assault charge was in a civil lawsuit and I'm certain that it will be reversed on appeal. The current trial in New York City is a farce. The judge is biased, corrupt and inept in this trial. The prosecution's star witness is a perjurer and an admitted thief with a personal vendetta against Donald Trump.
 
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SAFETY needs to be the main priority, not how a guest might feel about it.

You're right, they should've rolled in at night and assaulted the place like the Bin Laden raid. One team fast-roping down from a Blackhawk, another busting through the wall in an MRAP. Maybe an AC-130 providing overwatch just in case. Any one of them rich white magadonians so much as steps a Ferragamo slipper out of line and they get two in the chest and one in the head.

Safety First.
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What is particularly telling is that the FBI decided to go in without the large letter identification on their shirts and jackets. It was a distinct possibility they would be engaging Secret Service agents.
The word "engage", in context, clearly means "talk to". I'm pretty sure there are no "existing liaison relationships" between the Secret Service and the FBI covering getting into a firefight with each other.
 
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The sexual assault charge was in a civil lawsuit and I'm certain that it will be reversed on appeal. The current trial in New York City is a farce. The judge is biased, corrupt and inept in this trial. The prosecution's star witness is a perjurer and an admitted thief with a personal vendetta against Donald Trump.

Relevence to the thread topic?
 
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SAFETY needs to be the main priority, not how a guest might feel about it. Also the Secret Service is tasked to protecting the president, thus they needed to be able to tell the difference between an FBI agent and an intruder intent on attacking the president or his family. Not wearing overt identification might be needed when raiding a drug cartel headquarters that would be expected to open fire on law enforcement. Here it appears they wanted to increase the odds of violence.
My understanding is that the ex-president was not at the totally not a residence, club during the execution of the search warrant.
 
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My understanding is that the ex-president was not at the totally not a residence, club during the execution of the search warrant.
A good thing, the FBI was taking a chance because Melania or Barron or President Trump could have traveled there at any time. For security, if possible the hourly movements of those guarded by the Secret Service are known to a very small number of people.
 
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Perhaps most shockingly, the FBI team included a medic to tend to anyone “injured” during the raid. The operations order identified a nearby trauma center with directions how to get there:


Not a two-tiered system of justice?

Violence is the future. Here, it's about Trump. Earlier it was about the J6 protesters and a twisted justice system. Democrats will be employing more violence against anyone who disagrees with them. In the meantime, voting scams, games and more will keep them in power.
 
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A good thing, the FBI was taking a chance because Melania or Barron or President Trump could have traveled there at any time. For security, if possible the hourly movements of those guarded by the Secret Service are known to a very small number of people.
Trump was not at his Florida property the day of the search. FBI agents specifically sought to avoid a confrontation with Trump, choosing a day when Trump would not be at the property and giving the Secret Service a heads-up, The Washington Post previously reported.

Meanwhile, his false victim narrative continues:

Donald Trump on Tuesday falsely claimed in a campaign fundraising email that President Biden was “locked & loaded ready to take me out” during a 2022 search of his Mar-a-Lago estate for classified documents, an extraordinary distortion of a standard FBI policy on the use of deadly force during such operations.


 
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Violence is the future. Here, it's about Trump. Earlier it was about the J6 protesters and a twisted justice system. Democrats will be employing more violence against anyone who disagrees with them. In the meantime, voting scams, games and more will keep them in power.

Another false narrative. It's the GOP that continues to promote the big lie by introducing electon legislation that is not needed.
 
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Donald Trump on Tuesday falsely claimed in a campaign fundraising email that President Biden was “locked & loaded ready to take me out” during a 2022 search of his Mar-a-Lago estate for classified documents, an extraordinary distortion of a standard FBI policy on the use of deadly force during such operations.

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Another false narrative. It's the GOP that continues to promote the big lie by introducing electon legislation that is not needed.
There were so many lies about basic election security. Blacks supposedly did not have ID and thus Republicans were supposedly trying to stop blacks from voting. That was big with Democrats until so many blacks stepped forward pointing out how crazy it was and how far from reality it was.
 
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There were so many lies about basic election security. Blacks supposedly did not have ID and thus Republicans were supposedly trying to stop blacks from voting. That was big with Democrats until so many blacks stepped forward pointing out how crazy it was and how far from reality it was.
I think this thread is straying off-topic. I thought we were here to discuss how a routine Ops plan, a copy-paste job of the FBI's boilerplate use-of-force policy, and the use of the word "engage" somehow signified that the FBI was going to pull a hit job on Trump.
 
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I think the headline and description makes this sound more "controversial" than it actually is...

Any time any branch of law enforcement, at any level, is conducting a "raid" (which is a last resort option after they've tried to handle things in a more low-intensity manner, but aren't getting the desired result), they're authorized to use deadly force in the face of potential resistance.

The fact that they had a stand-by medic, and pre-arranged with a local medical center to handle potential injuries/casualties shows that it's a two-tiered system, just not in the direction being implied. It shows that considerations were being made and Trump & Co were actually getting better treatment than most who are raided by the FBI.

When the FBI goes to raid the residence of a known gang leader or child predator, do you think they have a local medical center and medics on stand-by to help patch things up in case things go south and people don't comply?


The fact that waited so long to raid and get documents back shows that Trump was being given some measure of "lenient" treatment.

If I was a known drug dealer, and the FBI wanted access to my storage unit where they confirmed the items in question were being housed, do you think it would be a 4-month back-n-forth process of them asking "pretty please" before they came kicking down doors?

No...they would move on actionable intel almost immediately, the fact that they gave him multiple chances to hand over the documents over a multi-month period of his own accord without "making a scene" shows that they were making special considerations for the fact that he's a former president.
 
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There were so many lies about basic election security. Blacks supposedly did not have ID and thus Republicans were supposedly trying to stop blacks from voting. That was big with Democrats until so many blacks stepped forward pointing out how crazy it was and how far from reality it was.
While I'm someone who thinks voter ID is a good idea, the GOP misrepresented the problem


The reality, "lack of government issued ID" is an issue that disproportionately impacts certain demographics more than others.


It also doesn't help the GOP claim of "it not being a political thing" when they started picking and choosing what forms of photo ID would be accepted.

For instance, Texas (and I believe a few other states) would allow a concealed handgun license (which is actually issued at a county level) as a valid form of voter id, but not a verified photo ID from a Texas state university (which is tied to state-level data)

Gee, I wonder why... I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that a person with a CCW permit is statistically more likely to vote republican, as to where a person who's a 23 year old college kid is statistically more likely to vote democrat, does it?
 
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While I'm someone who thinks voter ID is a good idea, the GOP misrepresented the problem


The reality, "lack of government issued ID" is an issue that disproportionately impacts certain demographics more than others.


It also doesn't help the GOP claim of "it not being a political thing" when they started picking and choosing what forms of photo ID would be accepted.

For instance, Texas (and I believe a few other states) would allow a concealed handgun license (which is actually issued at a county level) as a valid form of voter id, but not a verified photo ID from a Texas state university (which is tied to state-level data)

Gee, I wonder why... I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that a person with a CCW permit is statistically more likely to vote republican, as to where a person who's a 23 year old college kid is statistically more likely to vote democrat, does it?
Minorities do have ID. Republicans at the national level support not allowing noncitizens to vote In Washington D.C. and want legislation that requires states to require some kind of proof of citizenship, such as passports or birth certificates. If you don't need to require proof of citizenship for a university ID or handgun license than I and many many others would be against it, and it may not comply with the proposed federal legislation.
 
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Shooting him probably would've been excessive, but can you imagine if they'd had to taze him? I think I'd laugh so hard, I'd need to be sedated.
Tyranny is not a laughing matter. The Biden White House acted illegally when they authorized the raid on Mar-a-lago.
 
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Tyranny is not a laughing matter. The Biden White House acted illegally when they authorized the raid on Mar-a-lago.
I'm fairly certain that the White House (Biden or otherwise) has no say in whether the FBI can conduct a raid to retrieve illegally-withheld classified files.
 
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