Women choosing sterilization

Belk said:

A Black woman in Ohio was charged after miscarrying in her bathroom. Experts warn of the dangerous precedent.

Brittany Watts, 33, was charged after police searched her toilet following her miscarriage in September.

www.nbcnews.com

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“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

Solo81 said:

“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/

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So many questions of went wrong with this case. She should have never been charged. The law was never intended for miscarriage. This just adds to why women are hesitant to get pregnant in these states.

Solo81 said:

“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/

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Uh huh. That does not in any way strike me as an ad hoc rationalization after the fact.

/S

Solo81 said:

“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/

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Thanks for this article.

People commit crimes every day, so long as they can get away with it.
Christians do not support criminal acts, simply because they have an opinion against the law.
For example, some people try to get around paying taxes, which the government may heavily impose on its citizens. However, Christians pay their taxes even if they know that government officials are greedy and corrupt.

I was doing some research on disposal of human corpse, and came across this.
Furthermore, in many places, failure to properly dispose of a body is a crime. In some places, it is also a crime to fail to report a death, and to fail to report the disposal of the body

State legislatures have adopted many statutes that regulate the disposal of dead bodies. Although the right to a decent burial has long been recognized at common law, no universal rule exists as to whom the right of burial is granted.

It really highlights the importance of knowing the law of the land, and then abiding by that law.
This 33 year old woman may not have known that what she did was serious, but what should the law do... ignore their law, in this case?
Surely, that woul give everyone a license, not only to break the laws, but we can be sure the sewage would soon be the cause of an environmental problem.

Nations have laws for reasons.
There also appears to be a growing concern among people about how the loss of tiny voiceless human lives are viewed by young women today.

Burying the Unborn: Baby Burials Show Dignity of Tiny Lives
‘We must mourn the deaths of miscarried babies, as well as those lost through abortion.’


I think the way women dispose of their dead baby, is a reflection of how they feel about the life they were carrying, but that is just my opinion.
Sometimes grief can cause us to do foolish things, so, I am not in a position to know the mind of persons.
Only God knows, and the person themselves.

Depends on the reason for getting their tubes tied...

While the abortion restrictions likely sparked that thought in many peoples' head, the reasons for getting it done may not be as "bad" given the context.

If a woman knew she didn't want children and knows that abortion is no longer an option that's on the table as an "easy out", then then that would mean that permanent forms of birth control should've been something that was considered even prior to the Dobbs decision. (and is basically an unflattering acknowledgment that abortion was being used in place of contraception)

When I made the decision a decade ago that I didn't ever want to have kids, I went ahead and got a vasectomy.


We can't discount the "knee jerk irrational" aspect of this either
(sort of like when a new executive order on guns happens, and a bunch of preppers race to the closest gun store to buy 10,000 rounds of ammo and 3 AR-15's)


...take for instance this story



Lesbian couples getting their tubes tied? Perhaps a slight overreaction one may say.

A) well, they're lesbians, so there's not going to be any children conceived within the relationship

B) there are plenty of effective long-term birth control options available if people are concerned about the off chance they'll get assaulted and get pregnant. (only 1-2% of abortions are had for that reason, over half were because the person wasn't using any birth control but didn't want a baby)

C) while the rate of getting tubes tied doubled since Dobbs, the rate of vasectomies among men quadrupled
Perhaps people of both sexes were relying a little too much on "abortion as an alternative to contraception" (as men certainly aren't as impacted by the dobbs ruling as women are). That tells me that a lot of men may have been spooked by the notion that "oh crap, if I decide to fool around and not be careful, I can't escape the consequence of my decisions with $600 anymore"

For the record--women certainly have the right--after fully informed consent-- to be sterilized by tubal ligation. But before that, they can donate ova to cryopreservation facilities. Egg cells that are properly frozen and stored at C -196 deg, remain viable indefinitely.

Belk said:

A Black woman in Ohio was charged after miscarrying in her bathroom. Experts warn of the dangerous precedent.

Brittany Watts, 33, was charged after police searched her toilet following her miscarriage in September.

www.nbcnews.com

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She wasn't charged for having a miscarriage. She was charged for desecration of remains. In other words, she flushed her baby down the toilet.

Oompa Loompa said:

She wasn't charged for having a miscarriage. She was charged for desecration of remains. In other words, she flushed her baby down the toilet.

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She did what many women do, yet for some reason they took a law out of context and decided to charge her. What could possibly come of that that will benefit society.

comana said:

She did what many women do, yet for some reason they took a law out of context and decided to charge her. What could possibly come of that that will benefit society.

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Well, apparently the value of the life of the the unborn is determined by whether or not the mother wants to keep the baby. Had she had a miscarriage at the abortion clinic, there would have been no issue. The baby would have just been thrown into a biohazard bag and sold for stem cell research. But because this was an unplanned miscarriage, now, all of a sudden, the fetus is now a baby and is given the same value as any other human.

Oompa Loompa said:

Well, apparently the value of the life of the the unborn is determined by whether or not the mother wants to keep the baby. Had she had a miscarriage at the abortion clinic, there would have been no issue. The baby would have just been thrown into a biohazard bag and sold for stem cell research. But because this was an unplanned miscarriage, now, all of a sudden, the fetus is now a baby and is given the same value as any other human.

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Not really. Miscarriages pre viability are not given birth or death certificates. This case was just abuse of the law for no good reason.

To the original question, I think there is a section of Christians (I could not say how big or small they are) who are unhappy with the idea of women choosing to get sterilized. They are the believers that are against all forms of birth control and non-procreative sex, and if they had the power would ban such things. While I'd venture most Catholics don't feel that way the Catholic Church itself is one group that does. The idea of allowing someone control of their body is relatively new. I remember an article in Salon around the turn of the millennium where it focused on how some men were having trouble finding doctors to give vasectomies to ones who it was felt were under 30 and/or didn't already have 2 kids. It also spoke about how it's that much harder to find doctors who would perform tubal ligations on women who did not have certain medical conditions.

Edited to added article link.

rambot said:

Sterilization Rates Among Women Rose After Supreme Court Abortion Ruling

Pro life people: Are you comfortable with women choosing to sterilize themselves?

This seems like the logical outcome after abortion would be outlawed (or severely, some might say disfunctionally limited). I see a lot more people (than normal) inquiring about this online too.

But functionally, it seems that when a woman chooses to sterilize herself then she loses the potential of ALL her eggs and all of her possible babies.

Is that troubling or it is just when there is an actually fertilized egg that it becomes a problem?

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It's not actually logical, especially when there are half a dozen highly effective birth control methods, as well as Plan B if one cannot be bothered (or it fails, a rare event).

But adults can do what they want to do, no matter how short-sighted, if they can get a professional to do it.

RestoreTheJoy said:

It's not actually logical, especially when there are half a dozen highly effective birth control methods, as well as Plan B if one cannot be bothered (or it fails, a rare event).

But adults can do what they want to do, no matter how short-sighted, if they can get a professional to do it.

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EXACTLY! What adults choose to do in their private lives is none of my business. It does not concern me.

It’s really that simple.