Will Jesus Literally Return on a Horse?

[Dee Dee Warren]

(according to futurism) Revelation says that Jesus will return on a horse. Yet Acts says He will return in the exact manner in which He left. He did not ascend on a horse. What gives?

 

[Patmosman_sga]

The manner in which Christ ascended is far more encompassing than one would think at first glance. Luke 9:51 states, "As the time approached for him to be taken up, he set his face to go to Jerusalem." This is a pivotal point in Luke's narrative because it sets in motion the series of events which culminates in Jesus being "taken up" into heaven in Acts 1. Taken in this fuller context, in what "way" or "manner" did the disciples see Jesus "going into heaven?" Well, they saw him suffer; they saw him die on the cross; and they saw him raised from the dead. Every time they gathered to discuss these events (eg. Luke 24:13-35), Jesus himself appeared in their midst.

The promise in Acts 1:11 is a reminder that, although Jesus has now ascended to the right hand of the Father, he will always be with us, especially when we gather to remember all that he endured to enter into his glory. The proper posture to assume, then, in waiting for the Lord's return is not that of staring off into the sky. Rather, it is the posture of active, participatory worship, offering ourselves up before the throne of God as a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, anticipating in the present the ultimate reality of Christ's eternal presence among his people in a creation set free from its bondage and restored to its original splendor.

 

[Dee Dee Warren]

Well enough but Acts still says He will return in the same manner in which He left. And He didn't leave on a horse.

 

[Wills]

Very good question. It is easy and comforting to think about visions.

I prefer to look at the reality that the visions teach.

HE LEFT IN A VERY SILENT manner, seen by a few trusted close brethren.

Fact 1- Visions are not the played back reality, otherwise we would see a dragon with ten heads literally.

I am looking at his return just as He returned to earth in his first advent

from Mary.

 

[Dee Dee Warren]

Hmm, first of all the Ascension wasn't a vision. And the silent issue is interesting because Thessalonians implies a pretty noisy return. Shouts and trumpets and all.

 

[Patmosman_sga]

Hmm, first of all the Ascension wasn't a vision. And the silent issue is interesting because Thessalonians implies a pretty noisy return. Shouts and trumpets and all.

Sounds like worship to me.

 

[Just The Facts]

Jesus comes back in the clouds in a split second.

HE IS NOT BORN OF FLESH AGAIN.

The Horse is a symbol as are the candle sticks the Beasts the Dragon and just about everything in Rev.


Jesus does not return alone he returns with the Armies of heaven. He descends on the Mount Olives splitting it in two.


Just The Facts

 

[Wills]

Hmm, first of all the Ascension wasn't a vision. And the silent issue is interesting because Thessalonians implies a pretty noisy return. Shouts and trumpets and all.

As far as noise was concerned we know it was silent.. He came and left in a very quiet manner.

trumpets and shouts are symbols of truth, glory and power

It is very important for us to always look for the actual reality versus the visionary

explanations offered by symbols.

 

[Wills]

Jesus comes back in the clouds in a split second.

HE IS NOT BORN OF FLESH AGAIN.

The Horse is a symbol as are the candle sticks the Beasts the Dragon and just about everything in Rev.


Jesus does not return alone he returns with the Armies of heaven. He descends on the Mount Olives splitting it in two.


Just The Facts

I hope you do not dislike the fact that Christ came from heaven in a humble manner
from Mary.

The Christ we pray to God in His name, lived on earth. Why do we dislike the way he came from Heaven in Bethlehem?.

We bow at the mention of that Christ's name, that same Christ who came via Bethlehem.

Matthew 1:23 God with us God does not care about birth, that is irrelevant.


His birth did not make Him less of a deity, otherwise WE WOULD NOT BELIEVE in Christ

and we would not believe in the New Testament.

The Word was in Heaven and Heaven is where Christ came from.

John 3:31 Christ came from heaven (in Bethlehem) and is above all.

Are we not praying in the name of the same Christ so why do we expect something

that does not agree with How he came from Heaven?

We will be changed in a split second. Jesus's return nature is determined by God and Christ.

 

[Atkin]

Jesus comes back in the clouds in a split second.

HE IS NOT BORN OF FLESH AGAIN.

The Horse is a symbol as are the candle sticks the Beasts the Dragon and just about everything in Rev.


Jesus does not return alone he returns with the Armies of heaven. He descends on the Mount Olives splitting it in two.


Just The Facts

Hi JTF,

I am curious as to how his flesh reduces his Godship, since Lord Jesus
Christ , whom we bow down to, is the same New Testament Christ who lived and ate food just as anyone of us.

I do not get the line of your argument. Please expand on it.

 

[TWells]

I think the more interesting question is whether He will have a sword coming out of His mouth....

 

[cbk]

I always believed that Christ would return the way he left, per say, as is illustrated in Rev. 14:14, while the Beasts are upon the earth.

IE, appear on clouds, quickly... then he reaps. (Rapture??)

Then, after the vials of wrath are poured and the judgement against Babylon is made, he will return TO the earth on a white horse, as in Revelation 19:11.

Two different appearings: 1 on a cloud to reap. And later, (after the vials and destruction of babylon) 1 on a white horse to begin the great feast.

 

[TheScottsMen]

Any student of end-times prophecy knows that the horse represents authority and that is what he will come back with. Full authority over this world and all that are in it.

 

[cbk]

Any student of end-times prophecy knows that the horse represents authority and that is what he will come back with. Full authority over this world and all that are in it.

I understand the representation, but I believe it is wondered if this representation may literally be seen at a time in the future. Or, will eyes get to SEE this representation of his authority when he appears IN authority.

Kind of a moot point to me as to whether I will see a white horse or not.

 

[jayswife29]

Well, if we have to take the white horse literally, then I guess we have to take the beasts literally too. So,I wonder what this beast is going to look like, I wonder how Jesus will fit a sword in His mouth, and we must really be wheat. I would have to say that the white horse is symbolic for power, just like the black horse represents death, the scales represent rationing food, the number 666 represents control of buying selling and trading, etc. Maybe He comes on a horse, maybe He comes on a snow machine. The point is, He is coming back and hopefully soon.

 

[sbbqb7n16]

Let's get the original contested verse in here:

Acts*1:11 They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."

Now if you notice... it only mentions what happens with Jesus. Jesus floated up and went up into heaven... and Jesus will return by floating down and coming back down to earth. Now if you notice... it never says anything about His surroundings, or about the actions of those who are watching His return. So think here for a second.

Jesus may float straight back down to earth... and you say it should be silent... will the Jerusalem be the same Jerusalem? No things have changed in the area around where He will stand. And these men in white never said that other angels won't accompany Him when He comes... or that He will look the same... or that it will be quiet... or that only a couple will see Him... or if He'll be riding anything or not. Just that He will return straight from heaven by floating back down.

The other angels that will accompany Him are gonna be awfully loud... I know I will be (I'll be jumpin and shoutin if I'm still alive.... and jumpin and shoutin if I'm dead!)... and so will those who watch His descension.

I view the horse in much the same way that Jay'swife does... it is a symbol of power... for He won't really have a sword coming out of His mouth either... but are symbolic that the Word of God dwells within Him.

Heb*4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Well my thoughts. Does it make sense? I hope so... if not PM me and I'll see if I can rephrase. Have a great day!

 

[Just The Facts]

I just meant he is not born a baby again and lives on earth for years befor revealing himself.

 

[sbbqb7n16]

JTF the Bible says He will return the way He left... not the way He entered. Read ALL these verses and you will see what I mean... people will know the return of our Lord!

Ps*126:6 He who goes to and fro weeping, carrying his bag of seed,
Shall indeed come again with a shout of joy, bringing his sheaves with him.

Is*51:11 So the ransomed of the LORD will return
And come with joyful shouting to Zion,
And everlasting joy will be on their heads.
They will obtain gladness and joy,
And sorrow and sighing will flee away.

Is*52:8 Listen! Your watchmen lift up their voices,
They shout joyfully together;
For they will see with their own eyes
When the LORD restores Zion.

Zech*9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your king is coming to you;
He is just and endowed with salvation,
Humble, and mounted on a donkey,
Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

1 Thess*4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Zech*14:4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

Rev*6:14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Rev*19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.
Rev*19:12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.
Rev*19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Rev*19:14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.
Rev*19:15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
Rev*19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
Rev*19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
Rev*19:18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great."
Rev*19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
Rev*19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev*19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

 

[Wills]

I just meant he is not born a baby again and lives on earth for years befor revealing himself.

Where is heaven? Did Jesus not come from Heaven when He was born? yes he came from Heaven.

So I am not ruling out that possibility.

That makes judgement very solid and extremely impacting, for WE WOULD HAVE SEEN him even before He reveals himself

He would have lived under various leaders...possibly knowing some without them knowing him since Jesus would not have revealed himself.
He would have interacted directly with those who publish issues challenging God's existence-- they would not know

Hw would have interacted directly with those who deny creation.

In fact, people would be exposed even more, when they realise that He lives amidst people, plus if he were to come in as a stranger, that effect would be less

WHAT IS THE big deal about floating from space? This is the material aspect that could lead people astray.
Coming down from outer space and coming from HEAVEN in the same manner as He came from heaven when He was born are no different.

Is heaven not the same heaven? Why do we now differentiate between space and coming from heaven as He came in 1st advent.

WOULD you be jealous of Christ is He lived silently next door to you?

Why? Is he not the same Christ you bow before in prayer?

 

[Wills]

... will the Jerusalem be the same Jerusalem? No things have changed in the area around where He will stand. And these men in white never said that other angels won't accompany Him when He comes... or that He will look the same... or that it will be quiet... or that only a couple will see Him... or if He'll be riding anything or not. Just that He will return straight from heaven by floating back down.

[/i]

Well my thoughts. Does it make sense? I hope so... if not PM me and I'll see if I can rephrase. Have a great day!

THIS IS A VERY VERY IMPORTANT point, REGARDING JERUSALEM.

God is very dynamic and God did not leave much traces of past people and events such as Moses's body etc.

WHICH JERUSALEM----- many say, why should it be a different location?
Again, we cannot limit God and CHRIST LANDING IN ANOTHER NATION,
IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION---Jerusalem IS WHERE Christ lands
and that does NOT MEAN CHRIST is not coming to save Jews.
His landing point does not change who HE COMES TO SAVE.