Why you can never have peace with Islamists and the tactic I think they are about to use to form the peace deal the Bible foretells of.

[WatchmanofGod]

In the Muslim community, holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defence. But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

This concept is highlighted by the fact that, based on the ten-year treaty of Hudaibiya , ratified between Muhammad and his Quraish opponents in Mecca (628), ten years is theoretically the maximum amount of time Muslims can be at peace with infidels (as indicated earlier by the Encyclopaedia of Islam). Based on Muhammad’s example of breaking the treaty after two years, by citing a Quraish infraction, the sole function of the “peace-treaty” (hudna) is to buy weakened Muslims time to regroup for a renewed offensive. Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith saying: “If I take an oath and later find something else better, I do what is better and break my oath (see Sahih Bukhari V7B67N427).”

 

[eleos1954]

View attachment 358455In the Muslim community, holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defence. But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

This concept is highlighted by the fact that, based on the ten-year treaty of Hudaibiya , ratified between Muhammad and his Quraish opponents in Mecca (628), ten years is theoretically the maximum amount of time Muslims can be at peace with infidels (as indicated earlier by the Encyclopaedia of Islam). Based on Muhammad’s example of breaking the treaty after two years, by citing a Quraish infraction, the sole function of the “peace-treaty” (hudna) is to buy weakened Muslims time to regroup for a renewed offensive. Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith saying: “If I take an oath and later find something else better, I do what is better and break my oath (see Sahih Bukhari V7B67N427).”

“'Peace, peace' when there is no peace,” and “they say 'peace and safety,' and then sudden destruction comes.”

Jeremiah 6:10-15 and I Thessalonians 5:1-3

 

[com7fy8]

To me, it looks like yes there are Muslims who are trying to take over the whole world.

But I think that not all Muslims are like that.

And the ones who are can be in different groups who fight with each other. Ones are willing to fight and kill any Muslims who are not their way; so they can constantly be fighting with one another so they are not effective to take over the whole world . . . because they feel they have to make sure that only ones of their own way of Islam are in the takeover.

And, like I say, not all Muslims are into that stuff. And they can be mixed together with the ones who want fighting and killing; and this dilutes the fighting types so they can't get enough really devoted fighters.

And you can get what happened in Afghanistan > some guys had a dancing girl party and the Taliban found them and killed them. So, not all people under Taliban rule, for one example, are devoted to Taliban standards. But culturally they could be Muslim, but not like the ones trying to conquer the world.

So, practically . . . yes, I would not try to negotiate with a world-conquest Muslim group. I would be considered an "infidel", so they would not feel obligated to honor their word with me. And I would think they would not honor any agreement that helps to keep them from taking over the world.

 

[JonasDaniels]

I've known quite a few Muslims in my lifetime, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, etc, most were quite friendly, most of them never made me feel even the least bit threatened or uncomfortable, with a few exceptions of course.
Of all the various people I have met, the ones who have actually treated me the most poorly, condemned me, slandered my good name, falsely accused or misjudged me, were my supposed "brothers" in Christ.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I've known quite a few Muslims in my lifetime, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, etc, most were quite friendly, most of them never made me feel even the least bit threatened or uncomfortable, with a few exceptions of course.
Of all the various people I have met, the ones who have actually treated me the most poorly, condemned me, slandered my good name, falsely accused or misjudged me, were my supposed "brothers" in Christ.

That might be because they are the only ones who know you.

Your brothers and sisters in Christ have a responsibility towards you. Muslims don't. A Muslims only responsibility is to make Islam attractive to you.

Christians are going to exhort you, teach you, care about your struggles, pray for you and such. Not everyone is going to do this perfectly, and not everyone receives what is given in the right spirit, but the intention is one of love..

If my only job was to sell you on a product you might like me too.

 

[JonasDaniels]

That might be because they are the only ones who know you.

Your brothers and sisters in Christ have a responsibility towards you. Muslims don't. A Muslims only responsibility is to make Islam attractive to you.

Christians are going to exhort you, teach you, care about your struggles, pray for you and such. Not everyone is going to do this perfectly, and not everyone receives what is given in the right spirit, but the intention is one of love..

If my only job was to sell you on a product you might like me too.

Thank you for making my point.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Thank you for making my point.

Is it so horrible? To be around Christians who care?

 

[JonasDaniels]

Is it so horrible? To be around Christians who care?

To be around brothers and sisters who truly love God and one another is the most beautiful earthly pleasure I could possibly describe.
Sadly, that has been a very small part of my own experience.
You presume that any believer could know another's heart. You also presume that whatever they may say or do is done in love. And lastly, you presume to know that when faced with this behavior, that it is the spirit of the one on the receiving end which should be called into question.
Please don't misunderstand me, there is no bitterness on my end. I was merely stating the facts of my own experience.
Your experience may be quite different, and I'm glad that it is.

 

[Hazelelponi]

To be around brothers and sisters who truly love God and one another is the most beautiful earthly pleasure I could possibly describe.
Sadly, that has been a very small part of my own experience.
You presume that any believer could know another's heart. You also presume that whatever they may say or do is done in love. And lastly, you presume to know that when faced with this behavior, that it is the spirit of the one on the receiving end which should be called into question.
Please don't misunderstand me, there is no bitterness on my end. I was merely stating the facts of my own experience.
Your experience may be quite different, and I'm glad that it is.

I'm a convert.

I don't presume to know anyone's heart, but we do know Christ's and He wasn't always considered nice. In fact, He really was fairly offensive.

So, even if someone says something I try and look at it in a positive light, and accept it in the Spirit of Christ unless it's obviously scripturally wrong.

And even then I don't view the person as anything more than someone trying to share what they believe. I can't blame anyone for that.

I try to give the benefit of the doubt.

I was only asking because those on the political left seem to really despise Christians, and even when I was a Muslim I didn't do that.

 

[JonasDaniels]

I'm a convert.

I don't presume to know anyone's heart, but we do know Christ's and He wasn't always considered nice. In fact, He really was fairly offensive.

So, even if someone says something I try and look at it in a positive light, and accept it in the Spirit of Christ unless it's obviously scripturally wrong.

And even then I don't view the person as anything more than someone trying to share what they believe. I can't blame anyone for that.

I try to give the benefit of the doubt.

I was only asking because those on the political left seem to really despise Christians, and even when I wasn't a Muslim I didn't do that.

So now I'm really confused. Did you convert to Islam? Or from Islam to Christianity?

 

[Hazelelponi]

So now I'm really confused. Did you convert to Islam? Or from Islam to Christianity?

From Islam to Christianity. I'm a believer in Jesus.

(I made an edit, clearly had an auto correct error)

 

[JonasDaniels]

From Islam to Christianity. I'm a believer in Jesus.

Wonderful. And thank you for the clarification. Praise Yah!
I pray for my Muslim friends quite often, and those whom I may never meet on this side of heaven, particularly the aggressive and militant type who persecute our brethren. Welcome to the family of God.