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Who said Women Can't be Monks?

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This is the story of Mariam (Marina), the woman who became a monk.

In the 7th Century, a young Catholic woman named Mariam was born to a wealthy family in Lebanon. She would later be known as Marina. Her mother died when she was just a little girl, and her father took up raising her on his own. Eventually when she became a teenager her father planned to marry her off, and then retire to a monastery where he would live out his remaining years as a monk.

Marina was very upset, she wanted control of her own destiny, she didn't want to be married and she didn't want to leave her father. Her father had no idea what to do with his rebellious daughter. He asked her, "what shall I do with you? You are a woman."

A determined Marina shaved her head right in front of her father, and then dawned men's clothing. She would rather lead a holy life as a monk, equal with her father and the brothers at the monastery, than be forced into a marriage and life she did not want. After seeing his daughter's determination, Marina's father donated all of her family's possessions and decided to live as a monk at the side of his daughter. They went off to a desert cell to begin the monastic life.

(Mariam and her father entering the desert monastery, with Marina disguised as a man.)​

Life as a female Monk

Mariana instantly fell in love with the monastic life, she devoted her life to Christ. After spending 10 years of her life as a monk with her father, he suddenly passed away. Marina was able to maintain her facade, and the other monks simply thought she was a soft spoken man.

One night, she was staying at an inn with a few of her fellow monks when something life altering happened to her. A soldier, also staying at the inn impregnated the inn keepers daughter and blamed it on Marina. The innkeepers daughter, fearful of getting caught, claimed that Marina had defiled her. Nobody knew that Marina was actually a woman.

The abbot of the mastery was furious at Marina, he lashed out at her over breaking her vow of celibacy. Of course, he also did not realize that she was indeed a woman. He kicked her out of the monastery, and gave her the child to raise. She wandered around the countryside, homeless and destitute. She raised the child as her own, even though it wasn't.

The other monks, feeling bad for their "brother" convinced the abbott to allow Marina back at the monastery. He eventually did allow her to return, though her "sin" caused other to treat her unfavorably.


(Marina kicked out of the monastery, with the child of the lying soldier.)

Saint Marina the Female Monk

Eventually Marina fell ill and passed away in her sleep. The abbot told the other monks to prepare her body for funeral services. When they removed her clothes they were surprised to find that she was a woman! The abbott of the Monastery prayed to God for forgiveness, for he now knew he tossed an innocent person out into the cold and punished her for a crime she did not commit. The innkeeper likewise wept before her and asked God for forgiveness.

At Marina's funeral, a blind elderly monk touched her, and instantly he was healed of his blindness. It was obvious that the holy spirit was with her, as we know from the Bible, God loves those who struggle but always keep faith.

By popular acclaim she became venerated as a Saint, well known and beloved by the local population as "Saint Marina the Monk".
 
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So... why did Marina choose to deceive the other monks instead of becoming a monastic nun? Was she fighting against gender roles in her own way?

That is a good question, some sources like the Maronite Catholic Institute suggest she wanted to stay with her father. However there also seems to be this theme that she wanted more than her prescribed station in life...if I was a woman in that era, I wouldn't blame her.

I wonder if female monasticism was not common in the levant at that time.
 
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We shouldn't try to impose modern thinking onto a totally different era in history.
 
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We shouldn't try to impose modern thinking onto a totally different era in history.

It's not really imposing. The fact is, this Saint chose to dress and live as a man. That is indicative of someone who was deviating from cultural norms.
 
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It's not really imposing. The fact is, this Saint chose to dress and live as a man. That is indicative of someone who was deviating from cultural norms.
She did it because she wanted to be with her father. That's not anything like the modern day feminist movement. In fact, it's the opposite since the modern feminist movement is hostile toward men and fatherhood.
 
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She did it because she wanted to be with her father. That's not anything like the modern day feminist movement. In fact, it's the opposite since the modern feminist movement is hostile toward men and fatherhood.

I don't think she ever intended to diminish fatherhood, or the role of men in society. She did seek a monastic lifestyle that she could not get locally as a woman, so she had to become a monk, even if it meant pretending to be a man.

The Church did not condemn her afterwards, in fact she became venerated as a Saint.
 
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Fascinating to hear of her story - I had no idea that she was so dynamic and I am glad to have learned of her significance. Many thanks for sharing
 
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Gxg (G²);66813275 said:
Fascinating to hear of her story - I had no idea that she was so dynamic and I am glad to have learned of her significance. Many thanks for sharing

Of course Gxg, I was happy to share.

I also enjoyed your thread on "black" Africans in Byzantium a month or so ago.
 
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The reason she did it was because she didn't want to be separated from her father. The only way to do this was to join the monastery that he had joined. It makes sense that the Church would see her love for her father as virtuous.
 
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The reason she did it was because she didn't want to be separated from her father. The only way to do this was to join the monastery that he had joined. It makes sense that the Church would see her love for her father as virtuous.

In an old Syriac writing it says:

3.When she did not find a convent for women to live chastely within its cloister,
She dressed as a man and joined the monks.
No one of the human race knew about her.
Except her father who accepted her in the monastery where he was*


Epistle on Marina

I agree though that she certainly loved her earthly father, and he was a good mentor to her. However, I believe the monastic calling was something she intended to follow with or without her earthly father, because she had a great devotion to our Lord in heaven. I guess it is hard to say one way or another since it happened so many years ago.

She is definitely someone to be admired regardless.
 
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She did it because she wanted to be with her father. That's not anything like the modern day feminist movement. In fact, it's the opposite since the modern feminist movement is hostile toward men and fatherhood.

No one mentioned feminism. That Marina bucked gender norms is obvious because she chose to live as a man instead of as a woman. Besides, many women who wanted something other than marriage and motherhood chose celibacy as a way of seeking more from life - they could get an education, serve God with their whole being, and be a part of a mutually edifying community.

St Catherine of Siena was one such woman who did not want to marry and chose to remain single, though she remained a Dominican oblate rather than taking vows. There is even a story about how she prayed to be repulsive to the men her father tried to present her to, and she grew a beard.
 
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From the same website it says about it,

"According the Maronite current Synaxarium, 'Marina was born in Qlamoun North Lebanon. Her father was a pious man. Her mother died while Marina was very young. This has made her father renounce the world and leave for the Monastery of Qannoubine in the Holy Valley; accompanying him was his daughter, whom he dressed like a man. Both father and daughter entered into monkshood without revealing the identity of the daughter to the monks. As a monk she was known by the name Marinos.'"

Which story is it?
 
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