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Where did Noah's dove rest when it was sent out for a third time after the flood?

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Genesis 8:6-12 At the end of forty days Noah opened the window of the ark that he had made (7) and sent forth a raven. It went to and fro until the waters were dried up from the earth. (8) Then he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters had subsided from the face of the ground. (9) But the dove found no place to set her foot, and she returned to him to the ark, for the waters were still on the face of the whole earth. So he put out his hand and took her and brought her into the ark with him. (10) He waited another seven days, and again he sent forth the dove (a second time) out of the ark. (11) And the dove came back to him in the evening, and behold, in her mouth was a freshly plucked olive leaf. So Noah knew that the waters had subsided from the earth. (12) Then he waited another seven days and sent forth the dove (a third time), and she did not return to him anymore.​
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Noah's dove that was sent out for a third time after the flood and did not return revealed the time was near when Noah's family could leave the ark since the waters had dried up. However the scriptures are silent about where the dove found a place of rest, except for the one clue of the olive leaf that's symbolic for the nation of Israel, Gen 8:11, Jer 11:16-17, Rom 11:24.

Genesis 8:13-16 In the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried from off the earth. And Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and behold, the face of the ground was dry. (14) In the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth had dried out. (15) Then God said to Noah, (16) "Go out from the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons' wives with you.​
Noah, a faithful preacher of righteousness in a wicked generation who was told by God to enter the ark in the 600th year of his life, 7 days before the flood of God's judgment destroyed unrighteous mankind (Genesis 7:1-7, 10), represents 6,000 years from Adam when the faithful saints will enter the wedding banquet in heaven, 7 years before God's final judgment of unbelieving mankind takes place at the end of tribulation, Rev 3:10.

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  • Isaiah 26:20-21 Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you (as Noah did); hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. (21) See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins (in the tribulation).
Noah's dove that returned to the ark the first time and was sent out after 7 days for a second and third time while the waters of the flood were receding from the earth, is a prophetic hint for God's wrath that's like a flood during the 7 years of tribulation.

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A thousand years as a day in Psalms 90 and 2 Peter 3:8
I believe the thousand years as a day in Psalms 90 that's mentioned again in 2 Peter 3:8, are two related scriptures that are revealing the last year of the tribulation will take place at 90 years from 1948 in 2038, when unbelieving mankind will be swept away as with a flood of God's wrath, which is foreshadowed by the flood that destroyed rebellious mankind in the days of Noah that's mentioned in Psalms 90:5 and 2 Peter 3:6.
  • Psalms 90:4-9 For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night (in tribulation's darkness). (5) You sweep them away as with a flood (as in the days of Noah); they are like a dream, like grass that is renewed in the morning: (6) in the morning it flourishes and is renewed; in the evening it fades and withers. (7) For we are brought to an end by your anger; by your wrath we are dismayed. (8) You have set our iniquities before you, our secret sins in the light of your presence. (9) For all our days pass away under your wrath; we bring our years to an end like a sigh.
  • 2 Peter 3:3-8 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. (4) They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation." (5) For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, (6) and that by means of these the world that then existed (in the days of Noah) was deluged with water and perished. (7) But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of (tribulation) judgment and destruction of the ungodly. (8) But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It appears there are two possible prophecies hidden within this story of Noah's dove that was sent out 3 different times from the Ark.

The first spiritual aspect that needs to be understood is the dove in several scriptures is symbolic for the Holy Spirit, while the olive tree represents Israel, John 1:32, Romans 11:24.

Therefore the dove who returned to the ark a second time with an olive leaf in its mouth when the waters were receding from earth, could be symbolic for a believing remnant of olive tree Israel who will survive through God's flood of wrath for unrighteous mankind in the tribulation, which is mentioned in Psalms 90:4-5, 7.

Psalms 90:4-5, 7 For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night (in tribulation's darkness). (5) You sweep them away as with a flood (as in the days of Noah)....(7) For we are brought to an end by your anger; by your wrath we are dismayed

A believing remnant of Israel survives through
God's flood of wrath for unrighteous mankind in the tribulation

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Three millennial days began from Jesus crucifixion
It's also possible that Noah's dove who was sent out 3 different times is a long-term prophecy for 3 millennial days that began after God's flood of wrath for sinful mankind was poured out on Jesus as he died on the cross as sin for us, when his disciples shunned him in fear for their lives, as described in Psalms 88:3-11, 16-17.
  • Psalms 88:16-17 Your wrath has swept over me; your dreadful assaults destroy me. (17) They surround me like a flood all day long (on the cross); they close in on me together.​
  • Psalms 88:3-9 For my soul is full of troubles, and my life draws near to Sheol. (4) I am counted among those who (are unrighteous that) go down to the pit (of hell); I am a man who has no strength, (5) like one set loose among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, like those whom you remember no more, for they are cut off from your hand. (6) You have put me in the depths of the pit, in the regions dark and deep. (7) Your wrath lies heavy upon me, and you overwhelm me with all your waves (of judgment for sinful mankind). Selah. (8) You have caused my companions (the disciples) to shun me; you have made me a horror to them. I am shut in so that I cannot escape; (9) my eye grows dim through sorrow. Every day I call upon you, O LORD; I have stretched out my hands to you (on the cross).​
  • Psalms 88:10-11 Do you work wonders for the dead? Do the departed rise up to praise you? Selah. (11) Is your steadfast love declared in the grave (through Jesus resurrection), or your faithfulness (to the saints who are) in Abaddon? (Mat 27:50-53)​
When Jesus stretched out his hands as he was being crucified, he experienced the overwhelming flood of God's wrath for the sins of all mankind.

Your wrath has swept over me; your assaults destroy me, they surround me like a flood,
I have stretched out my hands to you, will the departed rise up to praise you?
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God's flood of wrath for sinful mankind in the days of Noah, which Jesus experienced when he received God's flood of wrath for our sins on the cross, will also be poured out on all who refuse to accept Christ's forgiveness for their sins by faith, when the wicked will be swept away as with a flood of God's wrath at the end of the tribulation in the third millennium from the cross, Psalms 90:4-8.

Therefore, Noah's dove that was sent out the first time and returned since the waters had not receded, could be symbolic for the first millennial day that began after Jesus endured the flood of God's wrath for our sins on the cross when unbelieving Israel was cast into the roaring waves of the nations who serve false gods made of wood and stone.

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  • Deuteronomy 4:27-28 And the LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the LORD will drive you. (28) And there you will serve gods of wood and stone, the work of human hands, that neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.​
  • Isaiah 17:12 Ah, the thunder of many peoples; they thunder like the thundering of the sea! Ah, the roar of nations; they roar like the roaring of mighty waters! Psalms 65:7​
While the second time when Noah's dove returned to the ark near evening with an olive leaf in its mouth, is prophetic for the closing years of the second millennium when the people of Israel will be gathered back to their land from the nations of the world, Isa 11:11-12, 66:8, Eze 11:17.

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  • Deuteronomy 30:1-3 "And when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the LORD your God has driven you, (2) and return to the LORD your God, you and your children, and obey his voice in all that I command you today, with all your heart and with all your soul, (3) then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you.​
  • Ezekiel 36:24 And the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes. (24) I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land.

The third time Noah's dove was sent out but did not return to the ark since it found a place of rest in the olive tree when the waters of the flood had dried up,represents the third millennial day from the cross when Jesus pours out a spirit of grace on Israel at the end of the tribulation,when the Holy Spirit like a dove will rest on redeemed olive tree Israel as Jesus reigns as King of kings in Jerusalem under the authority of his Father in heaven (Zec 12:9-10)
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Noah's dove that was sent out three different times that's symbolic for three millennial days that began from the cross, is also represented in Hosea 6:1-2 and Luke 13:31-32.

The first time Noah's dove was sent out it returned to the ark since the waters of the flood had not receded from the earthThe second time when the dove flew out it returned near evening with an olive leaf in its mouthThe third time Noah's dove went out it did not return (since it found rest in the olive tree) when the waters of the flood had dried up
The First Millennial Day
The Second Millennial Day
The Third Millennial Day
The self-righteous leaders of Israel crucified Jesus and as a result God cast his unbelieving people into the roaring waves of the nations, Deu 4:27, Isa17:12, Psalms 65:5-7In the closing years of the second millennium God's people return to their land when olive tree Israel becomes a nation again in 1948 (Isa 11:11-12)At the end of the tribulation Jesus will return to save a remnant of olive tree Israel who will receive the Holy Spirit (that's like a dove) by faith in Christ, John 1:32, Rom 11:24-26
Hosea 6:1 "Come, let us return to the LORD; for he has torn us (on the cross for our sins), that he may heal us (by faith); he has struck us down (Israel is cast into the nations), and he will bind us up (when the Lord bring us back to our land)Hosea 6:2a After two days he will revive us; (after 1800 years Israel is revived as a nation when the scattered Jews begin returning to their land from the nations of the world)Hosea 6:2b On the third day he (Jesus) will raise us up that we may live before him (in the third millennial day Israel is raised up in righteousness by faith in Christ and will live before him in Jerusalem)
Luke 13:32 And he (Jesus) said to them, "Go and tell that fox (Herod), 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today
and tomorrow (for 2,000 years),
and the third day I finish my course (when one third of Israel calls upon the name of the Lord and are saved at the end of the tribulation)

God pours out a spirit of grace on Israel at the end of the tribulation
Zechariah 12:9-10 And on that (third millennial) day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem (in the tribulation). (10) "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.​
Ezekiel 11:17-20 Therefore say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.' (18) And when they come there, they will remove from it all its detestable things and all its abominations. (19) And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, (20) that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.​
The Spirit that descended like a dove
and rested on Jesus after his baptism,​
will rest on Christ and Israel in the third millennium,
when he will rule as Lord and King in Jerusalem​

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Israel survives through God's flood of wrath in the tribulation
In Deuteronomy 4:25-28, it says if Israel acts corruptly by making a carved image in the form of anything and by doing what is evil so as to provoke the Lord to anger, they will perish from their land and be scattered among the nations where they will worship false gods made of wood and stone.

This prophecy was fulfilled by Israel when they trusted in their idol of self-righteous works and refused to believe in Jesus as their suffering Messiah, and as a result they were cast out of their land for over 1800 years.

However in Deuteronomy 4:30-31, God declares when you (Israel) are in tribulation, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, you will return to the LORD your God and obey his voice. (31) For the LORD your God is a merciful God. He will not leave you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers that he swore to them.

Then in Ezekiel 20:32-34, the Lord reveals that he will gather his people out of the countries who worship wood and stone and will become king over Israel with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out (in the tribulation).
  • Now what's prophetically important to understand is the scriptures in Ezekiel 20:31 to Ezekiel 20:38 appear to be describing the tribulation years from 2031 to 2038,
  • when a believing remnant of Israel will survive God's flood of wrath for unrighteous mankind by faith in their resurrected Messiah, and will be filled by the Holy Spirit at the end of the tribulation in the third millennium from the cross.
  • And I believe this is symbolically hidden in the story of Noah's dove that was sent out for a third time when it found a place of rest in the olive tree after the waters of the flood had dried up.
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In the following articles I examine the scriptures that appear to be pointing to the years of 2031 to 2038 for the tribulation.
Part 1, Are the years of the tribulation hidden in scripture?
Part 2, 2 days, 7th hour, 38
Part 3, 2-38
Part 4, Gen 14:14, 17:17, Ex 7:7, John 5:5
Part 5, Psalms 83 & 90
Part 6, Isaac's birth from Sarah at 90
Part 7, Isaac's birth from Sarah at 90

The Ominous Sign of Four Blood Moons in 2032 and 2033
Four Blood Moons in 2032 and 2033 Part 2, 85 Priests are put to death

Israel's Second Passover will be fulfilled in the last year of the Tribulation
Is the woman bent over by a disabling spirit an end-time prophecy for Israel?

Is Jonah's warning for Nineveh prophetic for today's wicked generation?
Is Jonah's warning for Nineveh prophetic for today's wicked generation? Part 2

Will brutal Taskmasters oppress mankind before the Tribulation begins?
A 7 year end-time harvest of saints will precede God's wrath

Joseph in prison "two whole years" is prophetic for a 2,000 year gospel age
21 possible examples for a 2,000 year gospel age

Rachel after 7 years of barrenness gave birth to Joseph when Jacob was 90
The 12 sons of Jacob, symbolic for Old and New Covenant Israel

4 Prophetic stories reveal a 2,000 year gospel age followed by the tribulation
The Tabernacle reveals the age of the Law, the age of Grace and the Millennium

Why did God want to kill Moses when he lodged on his way to set Israel free from slavery to Pharaoh?
Why did the blind man see men like trees walking when Jesus touched him?

Why was Jacob called Israel when he struggled with God?
When will unrighteous Jacob be called Israel?

Why is the Feast of Trumpets in the 7th month 1st day to the 10th day?
What does the disciples catch of 153 fish represent?

Netflix cartoon encourages people to get the Smart Mark
Where did Noah's dove rest when it was sent out for a third time after the flood?

Why has God revealed Israel's past, present and future in the Bible?

In these articles I discuss the mystery of the soon coming rapture of the saints.
Do the scriptures reveal there will be two different raptures for the saints?

Will you be raptured in the first watch of the night?
Who are the sons of the kingdom cast into outer darkness?
Why will the first be last, and the last first?
Why are many called to the wedding banquet but few are chosen?


Will you be raptured to the feast of Abraham or left behind in Sodom?
Is the year of the rapture hidden in the story of Enoch?
Is the year of the rapture hidden in the story of Enoch? Part 2
 
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The post is too long, but I'll just say a few things. The "olive leaf" cannot refer to Israel in the time that Moses wrote the story, because he was writing about a time before Israel was even a nation. Nor does a Week refer, allegorically, to a 7 years of Tribulation--no such thing is taught in Scriptures, except that it is assumed from a vague verse in Dan 9.

The Flood of Noah "covered the whole earth." What this means is that flood waters covered the earth *as far as the eyes could see.* The "whole earth" to Moses would refer not to the "whole globe," but rather to "en entire stretch of land."

So Moses was talking about a gigantic flood covering an entire region of the planet, but located in a particular part of the earth, which I believe to be the Black Sea. At that place we find the geographical features that would identify an early civilization, as well as an area stretching far enough so that a person in a large boat would see no land for a long time.

The dove probably would not migrate far from the nest under those conditions, unless the waters began to subside, revealing olive trees that obviously had not been destroyed by the flood. Clearly, the ark had travelled closer to an area where the Flood had not covered. When the waters began to subside it was time to find land again.

Honestly, for waters to cover the entire globe, replete with high mountains, would require the creation of vast amounts of water that does not exist on our planet. It could never fully subside. So what we have is a very large local Flood that wiped out Noah's civilization completely, which was located in that region. The dove let Noah know it was time to disembark.

Probably the most "prophetic" thing about the Flood story is the fact Jesus used it to show that God always has laid wrath on the rebellious among mankind. When societies fall too far, they will be judged. But they will not be completely judged until God has His people, collected from sinful mankind. If God was to judge to quickly, many lost sheep would be lost forever. And so, judgment awaits 2 things....

1) a collection of a full number of God's elect children
2) a complete collapse of Christian Civilization on earth, rendering the Gospel impotent with the exception of a few remaining faithful followers whose example brings a testimony of judgment to the rebellious world.
 
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Who are you? I’m genuinely interested. I want to be careful who I open my heart (soul) up to, I want to guard my ear gates…I’m not saying I agree 100% with everything you’ve posted, but I’m definitely tracking around 98% of it. I’ve only heard one other person mention the possibility of more than one rapture (pre-trib, mid-trib, and post trib)…and I’m not sure where the mid-trib would take place?? and all he said (the one who mentioned it) was the Bible teaches all three and more than likely it’s whichever one you put your faith in, so I’m putting my faith in pre-trib!

I’m sure I’ve commented in the wrong area but I was looking for a recent post in hopes that you might reply.

You mention the Second Watch, is that mid-trip? And I’m not clear on the 7 year tribulation and the 7 year wedding feast…I was thinking those two things were simultaneous and if so, then Jesus coming after the wedding supper would put the Second Watch at the end of the 7 year tribulation, which makes it unclear to what the Third Watch time frame is, because that one would be post tribulation too.???
 
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The post is too long, but I'll just say a few things. The "olive leaf" cannot refer to Israel in the time that Moses wrote the story, because he was writing about a time before Israel was even a nation. Nor does a Week refer, allegorically, to a 7 years of Tribulation--no such thing is taught in Scriptures, except that it is assumed from a vague verse in Dan 9.

The Flood of Noah "covered the whole earth." What this means is that flood waters covered the earth *as far as the eyes could see.* The "whole earth" to Moses would refer not to the "whole globe," but rather to "en entire stretch of land."

So Moses was talking about a gigantic flood covering an entire region of the planet, but located in a particular part of the earth, which I believe to be the Black Sea. At that place we find the geographical features that would identify an early civilization, as well as an area stretching far enough so that a person in a large boat would see no land for a long time.

The dove probably would not migrate far from the nest under those conditions, unless the waters began to subside, revealing olive trees that obviously had not been destroyed by the flood. Clearly, the ark had travelled closer to an area where the Flood had not covered. When the waters began to subside it was time to find land again.

Honestly, for waters to cover the entire globe, replete with high mountains, would require the creation of vast amounts of water that does not exist on our planet. It could never fully subside. So what we have is a very large local Flood that wiped out Noah's civilization completely, which was located in that region. The dove let Noah know it was time to disembark.

Probably the most "prophetic" thing about the Flood story is the fact Jesus used it to show that God always has laid wrath on the rebellious among mankind. When societies fall too far, they will be judged. But they will not be completely judged until God has His people, collected from sinful mankind. If God was to judge to quickly, many lost sheep would be lost forever. And so, judgment awaits 2 things....

1) a collection of a full number of God's elect children
2) a complete collapse of Christian Civilization on earth, rendering the Gospel impotent with the exception of a few remaining faithful followers whose example brings a testimony of judgment to the rebellious world.
Randy, I read your comment that the olive leaf can’t refer to Israel in the time frame Moses wrote it…however, he was a prophet and prophets see into the future…there are numerous references to other things throughout the Bible…example, trees represent people, seas represent nations, birds (mostly) represent demons…etc.

Also, numbers represent things in time and in definition, 5=grace, etc.

The globe…another thing you can’t be certain of…there’s the whole flat earth thing ‍♀️

The Bible says God separated the waters…so opening the windows of heaven COULD pour out that kind of water, no problem.

Just my thoughts…no need to crucify me if you don’t agree.
 
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Who are you? I’m genuinely interested. I want to be careful who I open my heart (soul) up to, I want to guard my ear gates…I’m not saying I agree 100% with everything you’ve posted, but I’m definitely tracking around 98% of it. I’ve only heard one other person mention the possibility of more than one rapture (pre-trib, mid-trib, and post trib)…and I’m not sure where the mid-trib would take place?? and all he said (the one who mentioned it) was the Bible teaches all three and more than likely it’s whichever one you put your faith in, so I’m putting my faith in pre-trib!

I’m sure I’ve commented in the wrong area but I was looking for a recent post in hopes that you might reply.

You mention the Second Watch, is that mid-trip? And I’m not clear on the 7 year tribulation and the 7 year wedding feast…I was thinking those two things were simultaneous and if so, then Jesus coming after the wedding supper would put the Second Watch at the end of the 7 year tribulation, which makes it unclear to what the Third Watch time frame is, because that one would be post tribulation too.???
I believe the 7 day wedding feast is prophetic for the 7 year wedding feast in heaven that takes place at the same time of the 7 year of tribulation. This is represented by Abraham's feast with the Lord while the two angelic men went to take Lot (the lukewarm saints) out of Sodom (the tribulation).

Israels 3 watches of the night were 4 hours in length, the first watch, middle watch and morning watch. So this would be a type and shadow for the 3 different periods of darkness for the tribulation. Now this is a rough guess, the tribulation is 7 years, therefore each watch of the night could be 2 and 1/3 years in length.

The wise virgins go to the wedding feast with the Bridegroom near the beginning of the tribulation in the first watch. And this is revealed by Noah entering the ark 7 days before the flood and the Philadelphia church that is protected from the hour of trial coming on the world.

The second watch is symbolic for the next rapture of the foolish virgins who were told to buy more oil for their lamps, represented by the Laodicean church that gets spit out of the Lord's mouth and buys gold (the pure word of the Lord) that is refined by the fire (of God's discipline in the tribulation for his lukewarm saints).

The second or middle watch is around the time when the 12 tribes are sealed and a great number of saints appear in heaven who have come out of great tribulation, which means great birth pangs, that causes a spiritual birth in Christ (read Revelation 7). However this is not the great tribulation for Israel in the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. So when does this middle watch happen?

Joseph who revealed himself to his 11 brothers after 2 year of famine in Egypt, were told to return to their father Jacob and bring their families to Joseph to be saved from the remaining 5 years of famine. This is symbolic for when Jesus seals the 12 tribes to take the gospel to Israel after 2 years of tribulation, who will then bring the gospel to Israel in the last 5 years of the tribulation.

It is around this time when the 12 tribes are sealed that a great multitude of saints appear in heaven who have come out of great tribulation (or great birth pangs that cause a spiritual birth, Rev 7). This is most likely the middle watch when Jesus will return from the wedding banquet in heaven to rapture his left-behind saints who are to have their lamps burning in the second watch of the tribulation, Luke 12:35-40.

Amos 7:1 speaks of two different rapture harvests, the kings share or first-fruits (wise virgins) and the late or second crop (the tribulation saints)

Amos 7:1 This is what the Sovereign LORD showed me: He was preparing swarms of locusts (tribulation judgment) after the king’s share (the first-fruit saints) had been harvested and just as the late crops (tribulation saints) were coming up.

The third watch could be in Revelation 16:15, when Jesus come like a thief for his tribulation saints, when the armies are being gathered for Armageddon, Rev 16:14-16.

God's wrath is for the unbeliever, but not for those who will accept Christ. However saints will experience tribulation which is temporary (Mat 24:29-31), while wrath for the unbeliever is eternal.

At the end of this article I mention the 3 watches of the night.


This is a video of saints who had dreams of being back-slidden that missed the rapture.


I just finished editing this past article for the approximate time-frame of the tribulation. It does not speak of the rapture, however it reveals that we have very few years left before the tribulation begins. The majority of this article was revealed to me over a three year period from 2008 to 2010.


1 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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Randy, I read your comment that the olive leaf can’t refer to Israel in the time frame Moses wrote it…however, he was a prophet and prophets see into the future…there are numerous references to other things throughout the Bible…example, trees represent people, seas represent nations, birds (mostly) represent demons…etc.

Also, numbers represent things in time and in definition, 5=grace, etc.

The globe…another thing you can’t be certain of…there’s the whole flat earth thing ‍♀️

The Bible says God separated the waters…so opening the windows of heaven COULD pour out that kind of water, no problem.

Just my thoughts…no need to crucify me if you don’t agree.
I have no interest in crucifying anybody. Any true believer in Christ is a friend of mine. That's the important thing. We can argue amicably on other things, if we can manage it. All of us hate to be rejected or contradicted--it's that pride thing. ;)

I agree God can anticipate how symbols would be used later on, even if people didn't recognize them as such at the time. For example, Moses used wooden rods, which later came to symbolize the Cross. Obviously, Moses did not recognize the full implications of the law God gave him for Israel, that a person hung on a tree is to be cursed!

However, part of normal hermeneutics would advise you that in order to derive the literal meaning of a Bible passage, one would have to understand how God intended for the person to understand what he was told. Some things are told men that they wouldn't fully understand a prophecy--that's different. The story of the Flood is not a prophecy.

As for the tremendous volume of water needed to cover the mountains of Noah's day, as I said--scientists have calculated this, and it is not possible short of a miracle, given the amount of water on earth presently. Not only so, but it would require a miracle to grow an olive tree so quickly once the waters receded. ;)

Even if the earth's mountains were much lower in elevation--we are told there were mountains in Noah's day, the water would be insufficient to cover the earth based on the water in existence. It would indeed require a certifiable miracle of creation to cover all of the high elevations. And though God can do this, most of His creation was, I think, done in the 1st 6 days.

To resolve all of the problems, I view the Flood as an enormous local flood, and explain the language as typical of that day.

In that time they described things based on how they saw them, and not as we see things today in the scientific age. They did not see the earth as a globe, but rather, likely as a large flat surface with a very gradual slope.

I don't know but when they said that the waters covered the whole earth they were probably talking about an entire region being covered with water such that everything in that region would die.

But yes, we're entitled to read it the way it seems proper to us. We can throw these ideas around without feeling like our Salvation hinges upon it! ;)
 
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I believe the 7 day wedding feast is prophetic for the 7 year wedding feast in heaven that takes place at the same time of the 7 year of tribulation. This is represented by Abraham's feast with the Lord while the two angelic men went to take Lot (the lukewarm saints) out of Sodom (the tribulation).

Israels 3 watches of the night were 4 hours in length, the first watch, middle watch and morning watch. So this would be a type and shadow for the 3 different periods of darkness for the tribulation. Now this is a rough guess, the tribulation is 7 years, therefore each watch of the night could be 2 and 1/3 years in length.

The wise virgins go to the wedding feast with the Bridegroom near the beginning of the tribulation in the first watch. And this is revealed by Noah entering the ark 7 days before the flood and the Philadelphia church that is protected from the hour of trial coming on the world.

The second watch is symbolic for the next rapture of the foolish virgins who were told to buy more oil for their lamps, represented by the Laodicean church that gets spit out of the Lord's mouth and buys gold (the pure word of the Lord) that is refined by the fire (of God's discipline in the tribulation for his lukewarm saints).

The second or middle watch is around the time when the 12 tribes are sealed and a great number of saints appear in heaven who have come out of great tribulation, which means great birth pangs, that causes a spiritual birth in Christ (read Revelation 7). However this is not the great tribulation for Israel in the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. So when does this middle watch happen?

Joseph who revealed himself to his 11 brothers after 2 year of famine in Egypt, were told to return to their father Jacob and bring their families to Joseph to be saved from the remaining 5 years of famine. This is symbolic for when Jesus seals the 12 tribes to take the gospel to Israel after 2 years of tribulation, who will then bring the gospel to Israel in the last 5 years of the tribulation.

It is around this time when the 12 tribes are sealed that a great multitude of saints appear in heaven who have come out of great tribulation (or great birth pangs that cause a spiritual birth, Rev 7). This is most likely the middle watch when Jesus will return from the wedding banquet in heaven to rapture his left-behind saints who are to have their lamps burning in the second watch of the tribulation, Luke 12:35-40.

Amos 7:1 speaks of two different rapture harvests, the kings share or first-fruits (wise virgins) and the late or second crop (the tribulation saints)

Amos 7:1 This is what the Sovereign LORD showed me: He was preparing swarms of locusts (tribulation judgment) after the king’s share (the first-fruit saints) had been harvested and just as the late crops (tribulation saints) were coming up.

The third watch could be in Revelation 16:15, when Jesus come like a thief for his tribulation saints, when the armies are being gathered for Armageddon, Rev 16:14-16.

God's wrath is for the unbeliever, but not for those who will accept Christ. However saints will experience tribulation which is temporary (Mat 24:29-31), while wrath for the unbeliever is eternal.

At the end of this article I mention the 3 watches of the night.


This is a video of saints who had dreams of being back-slidden that missed the rapture.


I just finished editing this past article for the approximate time-frame of the tribulation. It does not speak of the rapture, however it reveals that we have very few years left before the tribulation begins. The majority of this article was revealed to me over a three year period from 2008 to 2010.


1 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Thank you
 
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