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Which scenarios are NOT allowed

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I know your first reaction is probably "immediately!" but hear me out for a second.

Imagine these four scenarios (which I have encountered/might encounter in my life);

1 - The first scenario is where I bet 5 bucks with a friend on who of us is actually correct when we have a disagreement on something.
2 - Another scenario is going with a group of friends to a casino to gamble one night just for fun. Before going we would've all set aside some money, expecting to lose it. Once we're there, of course we want to get the full casino experience so we would play along with some of the games (blackjack, roulette etc.) but honestly just for fun.
3 - Another scenario would be where I bet some (an amount I could afford) money on a football game partly because i want to try to make some money this way but mostly because I find it makes the game a LOT more exciting to watch when there is money on the line.
4 - Finally imagine a scenario where I would not be happy with my monthly income and I would try to find my fortune in going to a casino weekly and spending a sum on the slot machines.

Which of the scenario's are sinful and which are allowed?
And consider this:
Is gambling wrong in any situation?
Is gambling wrong based on with what intentions you do it? (fun vs. greed)
Is gambling wrong because it is very addictive?
Is gambling wrong because it is fuels greed and other finance related evil?

please do reference the bible in your answer. I want to live right in the eyes of god, not humans ;)
 

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Except for salvation what part of life is not a gamble,some will define gambling as expecting something for nothing such as the lottery yet willingly invest money and time in other things hoping for a return above what they put into it,we all invest/gamble on things and people in life and there is no guarantee that our investment will have a return.

Gambling becomes a sin when we spend all we have in pursuit of a return without regard to current needs,family and God or when it is part of a criminal enterprise,God has said he will provide but manna hasn't dropped from heaven in quite a while but I still believe he will supernaturally sustain a person he has a purpose for,otherwise we are to work and invest/gamble.
 
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Hello, and welcome to CF. :)

"Gambling" could be extended to many things, even more than you've outlined. In many cases just trying to do a thing, challenging ourselves, is a gamble. On the other hand, if you define gambling as necessarily involving money, then starting a new business, advertising, and investing are all gambling, in a way.

I don't think it's gambling, per se, that is the problem. I think it is the result, and that's going to vary depending on persons.

I hate casinos, unless I can play pennies, because my money is too hard-won to throw away. I did enjoy a "casino" one time in a place where gambling was illegal, and you just played with special chips they gave you, no cashing out or prizes to be won, and nothing lost either. And I used to go to the racetrack. I learned to read forms and horses, and I'm actually very good at picking winners (we lived near a track and half the family worked with either the track or a nearby farm). But I so hate to lose money, that I would either pick them and not bet, or else bet low and safely so that I didn't win much. Gambling is no thrill at all to me, it's an anxiety, even though I know I can almost always win.

I say all that to say, gambling is probably "not a sin" for me, for that reason. I'm not pulled in by it, and I won't do anything irresponsible.

It comes to mind that this may be very like drinking alcohol. Drinking alcohol is not a sin. However, getting drunk and doing sinful things, getting drunk habitually, wasting ourselves for alcohol, ruining our health with it, hurting others because of our drinking - all of these are sinful. Some people who drink will almost certainly end up doing these things, so for them, any drinking might be sinful. Others cross a line somewhere, and then it becomes a sin.

I think many things are not sinful in themselves, but what comes out of it can be a sin. So it's not so easy to answer your question - it might depend on the person too.

Imagine these four scenarios (which I have encountered/might encounter in my life);

1 - The first scenario is where I bet 5 bucks with a friend on who of us is actually correct when we have a disagreement on something.
2 - Another scenario is going with a group of friends to a casino to gamble one night just for fun. Before going we would've all set aside some money, expecting to lose it. Once we're there, of course we want to get the full casino experience so we would play along with some of the games (blackjack, roulette etc.) but honestly just for fun.
3 - Another scenario would be where I bet some (an amount I could afford) money on a football game partly because i want to try to make some money this way but mostly because I find it makes the game a LOT more exciting to watch when there is money on the line.
4 - Finally imagine a scenario where I would not be happy with my monthly income and I would try to find my fortune in going to a casino weekly and spending a sum on the slot machines.

I won't try to answer for you, but since I explained myself a little above, I'll answer for me, in MY personal makeup and tendencies.

1 - not a sin in my case (though I would do this without the money just because if I'm not sure, I don't want to lose, and if I am sure, I don't want to create any hard feelings by taking it from the other person - in fun I could imagine myself maybe betting some little chore or trinket, if I know no hard feelings will result)
2 - not a sin in my case, as I said I've done a "casino" where there was no actual winning/losing, so I'm thinking of that
3 - I simply can't imagine that because it would ruin the game for me, worrying about losing, not make it more exciting. For me, any motive (I can't imagine one) that might make me do that in the way you describe probably would be sinful, because it would involve wrong motive. For me.
4 - would depend. I'd be foolish, lol, casino gambling is overall a losing game of odds. I could have made money on the horses, because I'm good at it, and I did consider it for a moment. But yes, it begins to get into motive. In my case, only greed would push me there I suppose, and yes, that would be a sin.

Like I said, I answered for me, mainly to illustrate what I mean by "it depends". Your answers may be - and probably are - quite different, but I can't judge you based on the little you have shared to offer an answer.



Is gambling wrong in any situation?
No, unless you want to say challenging ourselves or investing are wrong. But gambling (as in gaming with money) is probably wrong in more situations than just gambling (as in taking a chance) would be.

Is gambling wrong based on with what intentions you do it? (fun vs. greed)
This is certainly a very important factor to consider - one of the prime ones, along with the others you listed below. Doing anything out of greed is wrong, because greed is wrong. (The love of money is the root of all evil.)

Is gambling wrong because it is very addictive?
It depends on the person. As I said, I'm pretty impervious to becoming addicted to gambling, so in my case, no. I am not sure if it can make an addict of someone not already inclined, ever (in my case I think not - other things can draw me in an addictive way, but not this). But for someone easily drawn into it to the point where they do anything foolish, then it is definitely a sin for that person.

Is gambling wrong because it is fuels greed and other finance related evil?
Possibly. It is worth looking at the whole picture. People get upset over farming practices of cocoa that take unfair advantage of workers, and rightly so. I don't even like to think of what the "gambling industry" may be connected to. So you have to ask if you're supporting evil. And you probably meant on a personal level, fueling greed in ourselves? Again, if it does that, it is most definitely a sin, and very damaging to our spiritual health.

How's that for a very long-winded not-really-answer? ;) But like many things, it does depend. All things may be legal to us, but not all things are profitable. We ought to seek that which is good and beneficial for our souls.

Again, welcome to CF. :)
 
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I know your first reaction is probably "immediately!" but hear me out for a second.
Imagine these four scenarios (which I have encountered/might encounter in my life);

1 - The first scenario is where I bet 5 bucks with a friend on who of us is actually correct when we have a disagreement on something.
2 - Another scenario is going with a group of friends to a casino to gamble one night just for fun. Before going we would've all set aside some money, expecting to lose it. Once we're there, of course we want to get the full casino experience so we would play along with some of the games (blackjack, roulette etc.) but honestly just for fun.
3 - Another scenario would be where I bet some (an amount I could afford) money on a football game partly because i want to try to make some money this way but mostly because I find it makes the game a LOT more exciting to watch when there is money on the line.
4 - Finally imagine a scenario where I would not be happy with my monthly income and I would try to find my fortune in going to a casino weekly and spending a sum on the slot machines.

Which of the scenario's are sinful and which are allowed?
And consider this:
Is gambling wrong in any situation?
Is gambling wrong based on with what intentions you do it? (fun vs. greed)
Is gambling wrong because it is very addictive?
Is gambling wrong because it is fuels greed and other finance related evil?

please do reference the bible in your answer. I want to live right in the eyes of god, not humans ;)

Hi Up&Up & welcome to CF!

The Bible does not specifically condemn gambling, betting, or the lottery. The Bible does warn us, however, to stay away from the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5). Scripture also encourages us to stay away from attempts to “get rich quick” (Proverbs 13:11; 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). Gambling most definitely is focused on the love of money and undeniably tempts people with the promise of quick and easy riches.

What is wrong with gambling? Gambling is a difficult issue because if it is done in moderation and only on occasion, it is a waste of money, but it is not necessarily evil. People waste money on all sorts of activities. Gambling is no more or less of a waste of money than seeing a movie (in many cases), eating an unnecessarily expensive meal, or purchasing a worthless item. At the same time, the fact that money is wasted on other things does not justify gambling. Money should not be wasted. Excess money should be saved for future needs or given to the Lord's work, not gambled away.

While the Bible does not explicitly mention gambling, it does mention events of “luck” or “chance.” As an example, casting lots is used in Leviticus to choose between the sacrificial goat and the scapegoat. Joshua cast lots to determine the allotment of land to the various tribes. Nehemiah cast lots to determine who would live inside the walls of Jerusalem. The apostles cast lots to determine the replacement for Judas. Proverbs 16:33 says, “The lot is cast in the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.”

What would the Bible say about casinos and lotteries? Casinos use all sorts of marketing schemes to entice gamblers to risk as much money as possible. They often offer inexpensive or even free alcohol, which encourages drunkenness, and thereby a decreased ability to make wise decisions. Everything in a casino is perfectly rigged for taking money in large sums and giving nothing in return, except for fleeting and empty pleasures. Lotteries attempt to portray themselves as a way to fund education and/or social programs. However, studies show that lottery participants are usually those who can least afford to be spending money on lottery tickets. The allure of “getting rich quick” is too great a temptation to resist for those who are desperate. The chances of winning are infinitesimal, which results in many peoples’ lives being ruined.

Can lotto/lottery proceeds please God? Many people claim to be playing the lottery or gambling so that they can give the money to the church or to some other good cause. While this may be a good motive, reality is that few use gambling winnings for godly purposes. Studies show that the vast majority of lottery winners are in an even worse financial situation a few years after winning a jackpot than they were before. Few, if any, truly give the money to a good cause. Further, God does not need our money to fund His mission in the world. Proverbs 13:11 says, “Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.” God is sovereign and will provide for the needs of the church through honest means. Would God be honored by receiving donated drug money or money stolen in a bank robbery? Of course not. Neither does God need or want money that was “stolen” from the poor in the temptation for riches.

First Timothy 6:10 tells us, “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” Hebrews 13:5 declares, “Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ‘Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.’” Matthew 6:24 proclaims, “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”

www.gotquestions.org/gambling-sin.html
 
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Hi Up&Up & welcome to CF!

The Bible does not specifically condemn gambling, betting, or the lottery. The Bible does warn us, however, to stay away from the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5). Scripture also encourages us to stay away from attempts to “get rich quick” (Proverbs 13:11; 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). Gambling most definitely is focused on the love of money and undeniably tempts people with the promise of quick and easy riches.

What is wrong with gambling? Gambling is a difficult issue because if it is done in moderation and only on occasion, it is a waste of money, but it is not necessarily evil. People waste money on all sorts of activities. Gambling is no more or less of a waste of money than seeing a movie (in many cases), eating an unnecessarily expensive meal, or purchasing a worthless item. At the same time, the fact that money is wasted on other things does not justify gambling. Money should not be wasted. Excess money should be saved for future needs or given to the Lord's work, not gambled away.

While the Bible does not explicitly mention gambling, it does mention events of “luck” or “chance.” As an example, casting lots is used in Leviticus to choose between the sacrificial goat and the scapegoat. Joshua cast lots to determine the allotment of land to the various tribes. Nehemiah cast lots to determine who would live inside the walls of Jerusalem. The apostles cast lots to determine the replacement for Judas. Proverbs 16:33 says, “The lot is cast in the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.”

What would the Bible say about casinos and lotteries? Casinos use all sorts of marketing schemes to entice gamblers to risk as much money as possible. They often offer inexpensive or even free alcohol, which encourages drunkenness, and thereby a decreased ability to make wise decisions. Everything in a casino is perfectly rigged for taking money in large sums and giving nothing in return, except for fleeting and empty pleasures. Lotteries attempt to portray themselves as a way to fund education and/or social programs. However, studies show that lottery participants are usually those who can least afford to be spending money on lottery tickets. The allure of “getting rich quick” is too great a temptation to resist for those who are desperate. The chances of winning are infinitesimal, which results in many peoples’ lives being ruined.

Can lotto/lottery proceeds please God? Many people claim to be playing the lottery or gambling so that they can give the money to the church or to some other good cause. While this may be a good motive, reality is that few use gambling winnings for godly purposes. Studies show that the vast majority of lottery winners are in an even worse financial situation a few years after winning a jackpot than they were before. Few, if any, truly give the money to a good cause. Further, God does not need our money to fund His mission in the world. Proverbs 13:11 says, “Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.” God is sovereign and will provide for the needs of the church through honest means. Would God be honored by receiving donated drug money or money stolen in a bank robbery? Of course not. Neither does God need or want money that was “stolen” from the poor in the temptation for riches.

First Timothy 6:10 tells us, “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” Hebrews 13:5 declares, “Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ‘Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.’” Matthew 6:24 proclaims, “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”

www.gotquestions.org/gambling-sin.html

And I have to admit, I was really impressed at such a thorough, well-thought out, and accurate post coming so quickly. ;) But regardless of the source, very good reply. :)
 
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And I have to admit, I was really impressed at such a thorough, well-thought out, and accurate post coming so quickly. ;) But regardless of the source, very good reply. :)

If it's already typed out and ready to go, why not use it. Although, I never use any material that I haven't read and fully agree with.
 
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If it's already typed out and ready to go, why not use it. Although, I never use any material that I haven't read and fully agree with.
Oh, I think it was a great answer, and glad you provided it. And I agree, I have to think something is a good answer before I'd share it.

It's just that my main thought while I was reading was what a great response, to be written so quickly. You had me very impressed. :)

I was laughing at myself, and wanted to share, that's all.

No criticism at all intended. :)
 
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Oh, I think it was a great answer, and glad you provided it. And I agree, I have to think something is a good answer before I'd share it.

It's just that my main thought while I was reading was what a great response, to be written so quickly. You had me very impressed. :)

I was laughing at myself, and wanted to share, that's all.

No criticism at all intended. :)

Yes I see...reading the post...long post, says it all, wow this guy is, uh...it all came from this link...LoL. :O) No criticism taken.
 
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Hello, and welcome to CF. :)

"Gambling" could be extended to many things, even more than you've outlined. In many cases just trying to do a thing, challenging ourselves, is a gamble. On the other hand, if you define gambling as necessarily involving money, then starting a new business, advertising, and investing are all gambling, in a way.

I don't think it's gambling, per se, that is the problem. I think it is the result, and that's going to vary depending on persons.

I hate casinos, unless I can play pennies, because my money is too hard-won to throw away. I did enjoy a "casino" one time in a place where gambling was illegal, and you just played with special chips they gave you, no cashing out or prizes to be won, and nothing lost either. And I used to go to the racetrack. I learned to read forms and horses, and I'm actually very good at picking winners (we lived near a track and half the family worked with either the track or a nearby farm). But I so hate to lose money, that I would either pick them and not bet, or else bet low and safely so that I didn't win much. Gambling is no thrill at all to me, it's an anxiety, even though I know I can almost always win.

I say all that to say, gambling is probably "not a sin" for me, for that reason. I'm not pulled in by it, and I won't do anything irresponsible.

It comes to mind that this may be very like drinking alcohol. Drinking alcohol is not a sin. However, getting drunk and doing sinful things, getting drunk habitually, wasting ourselves for alcohol, ruining our health with it, hurting others because of our drinking - all of these are sinful. Some people who drink will almost certainly end up doing these things, so for them, any drinking might be sinful. Others cross a line somewhere, and then it becomes a sin.

I think many things are not sinful in themselves, but what comes out of it can be a sin. So it's not so easy to answer your question - it might depend on the person too.



I won't try to answer for you, but since I explained myself a little above, I'll answer for me, in MY personal makeup and tendencies.

1 - not a sin in my case (though I would do this without the money just because if I'm not sure, I don't want to lose, and if I am sure, I don't want to create any hard feelings by taking it from the other person - in fun I could imagine myself maybe betting some little chore or trinket, if I know no hard feelings will result)
2 - not a sin in my case, as I said I've done a "casino" where there was no actual winning/losing, so I'm thinking of that
3 - I simply can't imagine that because it would ruin the game for me, worrying about losing, not make it more exciting. For me, any motive (I can't imagine one) that might make me do that in the way you describe probably would be sinful, because it would involve wrong motive. For me.
4 - would depend. I'd be foolish, lol, casino gambling is overall a losing game of odds. I could have made money on the horses, because I'm good at it, and I did consider it for a moment. But yes, it begins to get into motive. In my case, only greed would push me there I suppose, and yes, that would be a sin.

Like I said, I answered for me, mainly to illustrate what I mean by "it depends". Your answers may be - and probably are - quite different, but I can't judge you based on the little you have shared to offer an answer.



Is gambling wrong in any situation?
No, unless you want to say challenging ourselves or investing are wrong. But gambling (as in gaming with money) is probably wrong in more situations than just gambling (as in taking a chance) would be.

Is gambling wrong based on with what intentions you do it? (fun vs. greed)
This is certainly a very important factor to consider - one of the prime ones, along with the others you listed below. Doing anything out of greed is wrong, because greed is wrong. (The love of money is the root of all evil.)

Is gambling wrong because it is very addictive?
It depends on the person. As I said, I'm pretty impervious to becoming addicted to gambling, so in my case, no. I am not sure if it can make an addict of someone not already inclined, ever (in my case I think not - other things can draw me in an addictive way, but not this). But for someone easily drawn into it to the point where they do anything foolish, then it is definitely a sin for that person.

Is gambling wrong because it is fuels greed and other finance related evil?
Possibly. It is worth looking at the whole picture. People get upset over farming practices of cocoa that take unfair advantage of workers, and rightly so. I don't even like to think of what the "gambling industry" may be connected to. So you have to ask if you're supporting evil. And you probably meant on a personal level, fueling greed in ourselves? Again, if it does that, it is most definitely a sin, and very damaging to our spiritual health.

How's that for a very long-winded not-really-answer? ;) But like many things, it does depend. All things may be legal to us, but not all things are profitable. We ought to seek that which is good and beneficial for our souls.

Again, welcome to CF. :)

Hey!

I'm very happy to be here!

Thanks for the answer, it more or less confirmed what I already thought and gave me some new insights as well. I appreciate it :)

I agree with you for the most part, except that the possibility of losing money is more of a thrill to me than an anxiety. I guess I maybe just don't really value it as much as I should, which has good and bad aspects i suppose ;)
 
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Hey!

I'm very happy to be here!

Thanks for the answer, it more or less confirmed what I already thought and gave me some new insights as well. I appreciate it :)

I agree with you for the most part, except that the possibility of losing money is more of a thrill to me than an anxiety. I guess I maybe just don't really value it as much as I should, which has good and bad aspects i suppose ;)
You're Welcome. :)

And the way we feel about losing money, and the value we put on it, is just differences between people, maybe born out of situation, maybe something else, and neither good or bad in itself either way, though certain nuances could be better or worse.

I'm thinking recklessness or irresponsibility could be bad, but then so is greediness or trusting too much in money. It is a little more specific to situations, but that's a broader perspective than gambling.

So I don't think there's anything inherently wrong in getting a thrill out of risking money, though it's something that might be a bit of a warning indicator that it's a good idea to watch your motives and inclinations there. The same is true for me in reverse - I also have to watch my motives and inclinations - just different ones.

It's good to know our weaknesses so we can be more watchful. :)

I'm glad you're enjoying the forums! :)
 
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I would add that gambling is always wrong/sinful in scenarios where it is illegal.
Or said another way, I do agree with the previous posts in regards to legal gambling.
 
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Depending on one's heart, it could be a snare to that person. 2 Timothy 2:26
If one places gambling before God, then absolutely. Anything can become an idol: Exodus 20:3-4, Acts 17:11

Be careful, a word of caution: Romans 14:23. If you are unsure about anything, bring those matters to God: 1 Peter 5:6-8
 
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