When does Ezekiel 38 occur?

[rockytopva]

When does Ezekiel 38 occur where a large Gentile force attempts to eliminate Israel? Since I cannot use timelines I will use the Trib options. Noting this is a tough thread without the use of date estimations.

Timing - After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. - Ezekiel 38:

Please note the wording, "in the latter years (not the last years) thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword. (post 1945?)" Indicating that this could happen any day. When this event happens God the Father will look down from heaven...

And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face. - Ezekiel 38:18

In which... I would think those armies in boss trouble! And on to Ezekiel 39...

And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. - Ezekiel 39

It looks like in the aftermath of all of that Israel will build a very large temple as described in Ezekiel 40 on.

Solomon's Temple - Measured 60 cubits in length, 20 cubits in width, and 30 cubits in height (1 Kings 6:2).

Ezekiel's Temple - Will Measure 500 cubits in length, 500 cubits in width (Ezekiel 45:2), and 77 cubits in height (estimated galgal | The height of Ezekiel's Temple).

The prophet Ezekiel’s vision of the restored Temple precinct will be huge (in which where I believe the temple will be built): “Set apart for the Lord a portion of the land as a holy district, 25,000 cubits in length and 20,000 in width” (Ezekiel 45:1).

And some online perspectives... "Lambert Dolphin in his article The Temple of Ezekiel writes, “The prophet Ezekiel (Ezekiel 40-48) describes in great detail a temple in Israel that is much too large to fit on the present Temple Mount site. The Temple of Ezekiel proper measures 875 feet square, and it sits in the middle of a large consecrated area Ezekiel’s temple is also very different in many details from any previous temples that have existed in Israel (or elsewhere). Therefore most Bible scholars believe there will one day exist in the Holy Land a Fourth or ‘Millennial’ Temple.” (www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html) He goes on to write, “According to many Christian Bible scholars, the Fourth Temple (Ezekiel 40-45) will be ‘memorial’ – a teaching center apparently to instruct men about the holiness of God and proper worship during the coming kingdom of Jesus on earth. As sinful men and women continue to be born into the world in the millennium, the temple is supposed to remind everyone of the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross, as the ‘Lamb of God’ some two thousand years earlier.” (www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html) Again, Dolphin as Schmitt and Laney reflects in his interpretation of the temple his dispensational theology. This interpretation is very popular today among evangelicals. - Ezekiel’s Temple (Ezekiel 40-48) - Watchman Radio Hour with Alex Dodson

 

[BABerean2]

Solomon's Temple - Measured 60 cubits in length, 20 cubits in width, and 30 cubits in height (1 Kings 6:2).

Ezekiel's Temple - Will Measure 500 cubits in length, 500 cubits in width (Ezekiel 45:2), and 77 cubits in height (estimated galgal | The height of Ezekiel's Temple).

The prophet Ezekiel’s vision of the restored Temple precinct will be huge

The construction of the third temple is found below.
It will be much larger than Solomon's temple.
I know the present location of the "chief cornerstone" of that temple.
I have handled some of the other stones in that temple.
It is just as real as any temple ever built, and far more important.


1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


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[Douggg]

Please note the wording, "in the latter years (not the last years) thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword. (post 1945?)" Indicating that this could happen any day. When this event happens God the Father will look down from heaven...

I agree. But it can be narrower down even further. i.e. before the parable of the fig tree generation passes away.

post 1945 (behind us).... but prior to the parable of the fig tee generation passing away (ahead of us).

It looks like in the aftermath of all of that Israel will build a very large temple as described in Ezekiel 40 on.

Theoretically, it may be or it may not be.

Practically speaking though, considering the size of the Ezekiel 40 temple - that temple will not be built in the aftermath. Because Jesus Himself is speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

There is just not enough time for the Ezekiel 40 temple to be built before Jesus returns 7 years following Gog/Magog.

Instead, an interim temple will be built.

 

[Douggg]

When does Ezekiel 38 occur where a large Gentile force attempts to eliminate Israel? Since I cannot use timelines I will use the Trib options. Noting this is a tough thread without the use of date estimations.

Timing - After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. - Ezekiel 38:

Please note the wording, "in the latter years (not the last years) thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword. (post 1945?)" Indicating that this could happen any day. When this event happens God the Father will look down from heaven...

And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face. - Ezekiel 38:18

In which... I would think those armies in boss trouble! And on to Ezekiel 39...

And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. - Ezekiel 39

It looks like in the aftermath of all of that Israel will build a very large temple as described in Ezekiel 40 on.

Solomon's Temple - Measured 60 cubits in length, 20 cubits in width, and 30 cubits in height (1 Kings 6:2).

Ezekiel's Temple - Will Measure 500 cubits in length, 500 cubits in width (Ezekiel 45:2), and 77 cubits in height (estimated galgal | The height of Ezekiel's Temple).

The prophet Ezekiel’s vision of the restored Temple precinct will be huge (in which where I believe the temple will be built): “Set apart for the Lord a portion of the land as a holy district, 25,000 cubits in length and 20,000 in width” (Ezekiel 45:1).

And some online perspectives... "Lambert Dolphin in his article The Temple of Ezekiel writes, “The prophet Ezekiel (Ezekiel 40-48) describes in great detail a temple in Israel that is much too large to fit on the present Temple Mount site. The Temple of Ezekiel proper measures 875 feet square, and it sits in the middle of a large consecrated area Ezekiel’s temple is also very different in many details from any previous temples that have existed in Israel (or elsewhere). Therefore most Bible scholars believe there will one day exist in the Holy Land a Fourth or ‘Millennial’ Temple.” (www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html) He goes on to write, “According to many Christian Bible scholars, the Fourth Temple (Ezekiel 40-45) will be ‘memorial’ – a teaching center apparently to instruct men about the holiness of God and proper worship during the coming kingdom of Jesus on earth. As sinful men and women continue to be born into the world in the millennium, the temple is supposed to remind everyone of the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross, as the ‘Lamb of God’ some two thousand years earlier.” (www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html) Again, Dolphin as Schmitt and Laney reflects in his interpretation of the temple his dispensational theology. This interpretation is very popular today among evangelicals. - Ezekiel’s Temple (Ezekiel 40-48) - Watchman Radio Hour with Alex Dodson

rockytopva, your poll could be better structured if it were

pre-70th week
mid-70th week
after Jesus returns
already happened

 

[Matt5]

There are some rules surrounding the tribulation period:

1. Nothing big happens between now and the start of the tribulation period.
2. Everything is fine then one day the tribulation period just starts - for no apparent reason.
3. If something is going to happen then we'll see it coming.
4. No surprises, except for that one day that Jesus returns which we already know comes 1290 days after something and 7 years after something else. But it's a big surprise.

Is that what most Christians believe - for those even thinking about it?

Or the tribulation period starts because large chunks of the planet have already been obliterated. And everybody was shocked and surprised at things they once thought impossible which came out-of-the-blue. Then the planet becomes vulnerable to a man who could fix things.

Why would Russia want Israel for its booty? And where is America? Could there have been prior wars that explain these things?

Does it even make sense for Russia (and China) to be around long once the tribulation period starts? How could the Antichrist tolerate them?

 

[Andrewn]

When does Ezekiel 38 occur where a large Gentile force attempts to eliminate Israel?

Ezekiel 38 describes the war of Gog and Magog. According the book of Revelation this takes place after the Millennium.

Since we're already in the Millennium inaugurated by Christ, this war takes place just before the 2nd coming of Christ.

 

[Timtofly]

There are some rules surrounding the tribulation period:

1. Nothing big happens between now and the start of the tribulation period.
2. Everything is fine then one day the tribulation period just starts - for no apparent reason.
3. If something is going to happen then we'll see it coming.
4. No surprises, except for that one day that Jesus returns which we already know comes 1290 days after something and 7 years after something else. But it's a big surprise.

Is that what most Christians believe - for those even thinking about it?

Or the tribulation period starts because large chunks of the planet have already been obliterated. And everybody was shocked and surprised at things they once thought impossible which came out-of-the-blue. Then the planet becomes vulnerable to a man who could fix things.

Why would Russia want Israel for its booty? And where is America? Could there have been prior wars that explain these things?

Does it even make sense for Russia (and China) to be around long once the tribulation period starts? How could the Antichrist tolerate them?

This unexpected unprecedented tribulation starts when Jesus Christ appears suddenly with a lot of destruction. This is the Second Coming event.

The reason some are fooled by false Christ is because the church has been teaching a false AC for over 100 years. That is what most expect to happen. There is no 7 year period ahead. There is a 42 month period that might happen involving Satan, his FP, and a beast.

 

[Timtofly]

Ezekiel 38 describes the war of Gog and Magog. According the book of Revelation this takes place after the Millennium.

Since we're already in the Millennium inaugurated by Christ, this war takes place just before the 2nd coming of Christ.

We are almost in the 3rd Millennium since the Cross in 30AD. Gog and Magog are just generic peoples, and not literal Nations. They do have nations join them occasionally. At the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ no nations are involved. Ezekiel's war happens right before the Second Coming but is not a sign. Although most posters here may see it as just another attack against Israel, but like those in California, still waiting for the big earthquake to happen. Wars and rumors of wars "non stop" since 1948.

 

[Psalm 27]

Acts 7: 48, 49

Gog And Magog: Who Are They And What Have They Got To Do With London?

Gogmagog (giant) - Wikipedia

 

[Timtofly]

Acts 7: 48, 49

Gog And Magog: Who Are They And What Have They Got To Do With London?

Gogmagog (giant) - Wikipedia

Sounds like it goes all the way back to Nimrod or Gilgamesh.

 

[Douggg]

This unexpected unprecedented tribulation starts when Jesus Christ appears suddenly with a lot of destruction. This is the Second Coming event.

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place.

Matthew 24:15-21.

The abomination of desolation will be a statue image of the beast person. That will come to life, appears to, by Satan incarnating the image.

The image will be made and placed on the temple mount in the middle part of the 7 years, where the Jews can see it, and begin fleeing into the mountains as Jesus warned them to do in Matthew 24:15-21.

The Jews who don't flee right away, will be captive in Jerusalem and persecuted for the remainder of the 7 years, until Jesus returns to rescue them.

The image will be destroyed when Jesus returns, and Satan exposed visibly for all to see him.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 38 describes the war of Gog and Magog. According the book of Revelation this takes place after the Millennium.

Gog and Magog in Revelation 20, is a way of referring to the same nations who will be involved in the Ezekiel 38-39 event a thousand years earlier.

Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon, Jesus returned to this earth (in the depiction I posted in post #11), then the millennium.

 

[Timtofly]

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place.

Matthew 24:15-21.

The abomination of desolation will be a statue image of the beast person. That will come to life, appears to, by Satan incarnating the image.

The image will be made and placed on the temple mount in the middle part of the 7 years, where the Jews can see it, and begin fleeing into the mountains as Jesus warned them to do in Matthew 24:15-21.

The Jews who don't flee right away, will be captive in Jerusalem and persecuted for the remainder of the 7 years, until Jesus returns to rescue them.

The image will be destroyed when Jesus returns, and Satan exposed visibly for all to see him.

So you do not view the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders of Judgment from God, tribulation?

 

[Douggg]

So you do not view the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders of Judgment from God, tribulation?

The 7 trumpets take place during the great tribulation. The what the 7 thunders said, John was told not to write down.

What triggers the great tribulation is the abomination of desolation statue image set up on the temple mount.... 1335 days before Jesus Returns.

 

[Timtofly]

The 7 trumpets take place during the great tribulation. The what the 7 thunders said, John was told not to write down.

What triggers the great tribulation is the abomination of desolation statue image set up on the temple mount.... 1335 days before Jesus Returns.

How do you explain that Jesus brings the angels and the Trumpet of God with Him at His Second Coming?

 

[Douggg]

How do you explain that Jesus brings the angels and the Trumpet of God with Him at His Second Coming?

Could you please cite the passages you are referring to?

 

[Timtofly]

Could you please cite the passages you are referring to?

Matthew 24:29-31

“But immediately following the trouble of those times,

the sun will grow dark,
the moon will stop shining,
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers in heaven will be shaken.

“Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory. He will send out his angels with a great shofar; and they will gather together his chosen people from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24:29-31

“But immediately following the trouble of those times,

the sun will grow dark,
the moon will stop shining,
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers in heaven will be shaken.

“Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory. He will send out his angels with a great shofar; and they will gather together his chosen people from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Yes, I believe those verses.

Verse 31, though is not the rapture, but the gathering of the house of Israel back to the land of Israel.

Corresponding to Ezekiel 39:28.

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes, I believe those verses.

Verse 31, though is not the rapture, but the gathering of the house of Israel back to the land of Israel.

Corresponding to Ezekiel 39:28.

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

The Second Coming is the rapture. The Trumpet is sounded after the Second Coming and the rapture. The Second Coming does not happen first and the rapture years later. They both happen at the same time.

Yes the gathering of Israel happens at the Second Coming, years before Satan is given 42 months. Satan gets the left overs, not even the sheep, nor goats. The goats are sent to eternal damnation, not even sheol. The church is removed before Israel is gathered and sent to their destinations.

 

[Douggg]

The Second Coming is the rapture. The Trumpet is sounded after the Second Coming and the rapture. The Second Coming does not happen first and the rapture years later. They both happen at the same time.

The rapture takes place years before the Second Coming.

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The Second Coming, the return of Jesus to the earth - is at the close of the great tribulation.

The rapture/resurrection takes place before the great tribulation begins.

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The gathering of the Jews, the house of Israel, with not a single one left in the nations is after Jesus has returned. Jesus Himself is speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29, in the future, after Armageddon, having returned to this earth. The gathering in Matthew 24:31 corresponds to Ezekiel 39:28 - it applies to the Jews, the house of Israel.