When Did God Create Water???

[1611AV]

When did God create water?

 

[xxsilverkisses]

A-are you serious?

When he created the Earth, he created water.

 

[NatalieJan777]

Good question.

Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Genisis 1:6 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.

I've come to conclude it was part of the earth before day and night were created. I've also wondered because of verse 6 what 'water' really means? And the only thing I've logically concluded (based on common sense and not science for in that I am ignorant) is that weightlessness is the only thing outer space and the seas/rivers as we know them have in common.

Very intersting topic you've started and I await further feed back and opinions from others as to when they believe that water was created, as well as what 'water' truly means.

 

[1611AV]

Lets look closely at the scripture in Genesis:
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

We can see here in (verse 1) that God spoke of the creation of the heaven (singular) and the earth.
But in (verse 2) water was already present. "God moved upon the face of the waters."

What God is showing us is that the (heavens) already existed prior to the creation of heaven and earth. And with the (heavens) so did water.

Which also shows that in (verse 2) the earth was in a state of ruin. Notice in 2 Peter 3:5-7 God tells us of the (heavens) are of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. Never in the world that is now was the earth in this state of being. The heaven and the earth were once before. Gen 1:1 is not the beginning as we think it to be. Gen 1:1 is the beginning of what was destroyed. Gen 1:2 was the result of that destruction. The only thing left was a void, formless earth, darkness and water.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the (heavens) and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[SwordoftheLord]

Or maybe it could help explain the Gap theory?

Some believe in Gen 1 that God created he heaven and earth, and then in verse 2, the waters show a judgement that happened. In Isiah it says God creats nothing in Vain.

Peter said: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

I dont belive it to be Noahs Flood, because it says the world Perished.

But ya never know

 

[NatalieJan777]

Interesting thoughts from both of you.

As I was reading what 1611AV was saying something enormous popped into my mind.

Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.

And this thought and scripture came to mind when you stated 'what had been destroyed'.

 

[NatalieJan777]

I always thought that Peter was speaking of the days of Noah. And then other thoughts have filled my mind. Water puts out fire, and then in the end ....

2 Peter 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

Above heaven is singular. Below it is plural:

Isaiah 65:17 Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.


hmmm pluralism, I wish I knew more of the ancient languages and cultures this all was written in. But it is all something now in my brain awaiting confirmation for a time in the future when it will be more relavant if it is GOD's WILL for me to know ... ie 'food for thought'.

 

[NatalieJan777]

I still think that Peter is refering to Noah's time in these scriptures. And the reason why is this:

2 Peter 3:4-6 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

For them to 'deliberately forget' something, it had to have been something they knew about. And I don't believe before creation is something they knew about, it had to have been something they were taught, which still in my mind would have been the time of Noah.

 

[1611AV]

I still think that Peter is refering to Noah's time in these scriptures. And the reason why is this:

2 Peter 3:4-6 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

For them to 'deliberately forget' something, it had to have been something they knew about. And I don't believe before creation is something they knew about, it had to have been something they were taught, which still in my mind would have been the time of Noah.

Thats interesting Nat, I just got in and glanced at your post. I will look at the scriptures tonight after Church. This may turn out to be a very interesting discussion. Talk to you soon.

Lord Bless You.

 

[BethelArsonist]

When did God create water?

Gen. 1:1 - in the creation that precedes the Earthly creations, the creation of the universe and matter.

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[BethelArsonist]

He then began to use water as the substrate of His "omnipresent" relationship with all living things, and He still does. Nothing lives without water and God.

This He established according to Gen1:2:

...and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the water...

We find tremendous value and meaning attached to water throughout the entire Bible from then on.

I think the symbolic meaning of that always goes back to this relationship.

 

[BethelArsonist]

(Sorry, but this is one of my favorite subjects)

The other thing you two are getting at is the symbolic meaning of the item established in the second day creation, which is something there termed, "heaven." This term actually goes back to a Hebrew term meaning "to hammer." This division between waters above (clouds) and waters below (seas) is what this term refers to. Physically, this is the (raising and dropping) ecological cycle of rain that makes all land life possible. But symbolically, as we see it used by Peter, and in reference to the time of Noah, it refers to the raising of powers over man and the rotating of them out with new ones. There was a great evil that ruled over man before Noah. Man could not overcome it, so God rotated it out, and promised never to destroy man like that again. However, Jesus then comes along and says the end times will be like the days of Noah.

These end times are the same as Peter is referring to, when the heavens are rotated again, but only in the symbolic sense (since that is the only way the promise of God not to destroy like that again, and yet the words of Jesus to accomplish the changing of the end times can both be fulfilled) and a new form of order, or government appears, which essentially brings in a new heaven (rule above) and a new Earth (life below).

There are also biblical references to waters that ascend, such as from the ground in Eden (before there was sin) and in Isaiah (I think) as a dew of righteousness. What this tells us is that it is righteousness that ascends like water and collects in the sky, so it is also when much righteousness arises (flood caliber) that the heavens are completely rotated and the Earth is flooded anew. This is when the unrighteous are "carried away," as Jesus puts it.

This is also a picture of how civilized governments change out their own leadership (ideally).

It's also important always to build precept upon precept when studying scripture. And since this concept of the second day creation, as a use of water, comes after the reference to the Spirit of God moving on water, we should essentially try to base our understanding of the latter on that of the former. What this means, is that the relationship of the Spirit of God to the Earth as a whole, or as a planet, underlies the operation of this rain cycle, both physically (to water land life) and symbolically (to change out governments, and world order). This would essentially mean God controls the weather and the changing of man's governments, and that these are His principal relations with the Earth and man. Of course, we also find all this to be confirmed quite a bit later on in scripture.

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[1611AV]

I still think that Peter is refering to Noah's time in these scriptures. And the reason why is this:

2 Peter 3:4-6 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

For them to 'deliberately forget' something, it had to have been something they knew about. And I don't believe before creation is something they knew about, it had to have been something they were taught, which still in my mind would have been the time of Noah.

2 Peter 3:4-6 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Notice in the KJV the verses does not mention the earth being formed out of water but purely out of the word of God. The earth was standing out of the water and in the water. The world perished by water, it was not formed of it. These waters where the waters that destoyed both heaven and earth. Noahs flood destroyed all life on earth only, not the heaven and earth. Also the beginning of creation that is being referred to in this verse is the beginning of Adam. Because they were ignorant of anything before him.

Gen 1:1-6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
***Notice it says (the) dry land. Its referring to the dry land that was already there. Otherwise it would simply read "dry land"***

Here again if we use different Bibles we are going to get different doctrine. I don't want this to turn into a battle of the Bibles but for the sake of establishing the truth, lets stick with one. Please.

Lord Bless You,

 

[NatalieJan777]

I use both biblical translations, mind you I was raised on KJV, I read only it from about the late 1960's till about 2007. I use the NIV because it is easier for others to relate to and understand because it takes out the language used at the time of KJV translations, but I've really found nothing in there (NIV) that I had not already discerned from KJV.

I do not see this as a battle, sorry if you do. I am trying to uderstand and showing the logic I am using in understanding.

I evidently too must be 'willingly' ignorant of what you are saying. I appologies, for there are many things I still do not understand. And with this knowledge of my self, I do believe they too like you must have understood these things and then somehow became 'willingly ignorant' of them.

 

[1611AV]

I use both biblical translations, mind you I was raised on KJV, I read only it from about the late 1960's till about 2007. I use the NIV because it is easier for others to relate to and understand because it takes out the language used at the time of KJV translations, but I've really found nothing in there (NIV) that I had not already discerned from KJV.

I do not see this as a battle, sorry if you do. I am trying to uderstand and showing the logic I am using in understanding.

I evidently too must be 'willingly' ignorant of what you are saying. I appologies, for there are many things I still do not understand. And with this knowledge of my self, I do believe they too like you must have understood these things and then somehow became 'willingly ignorant' of them.

Yeah, and again, as I said "I do not want this to become a battle" I'm done with that sort of thing regarding Bibles. The KJV says the earth was standing in the water. The NIV says it was formed by water. If you do not see a major doctrinal difference there. Then there is nothing more to say. The reason I asked you to use the KJV is because I already knew from a earlier conversation that you used the KJV for many years.

The reason you can discern what little truth is in the NIV is because you already where established on truth of the KJV. But thats another thread.

They were willingly ignorant because they believed God had to be on their time. They thought to themselves that things have always been as they were and refused to believe that Gods ways are not their ways. Like today people expected Jesus to come in the year 2000 and now 2012 for this reason we are willingly ignorant that God will come like a thief in the night at a time no man knows, even tho the Bible says so.

Anyway this thread is up for grabs for whoever wants to continue in it.
Im done here.

Lord Bless,

 

[NatalieJan777]

Here is where I am confused. You asked when GOD created water. And then you pointed to scripture of Peter that is used in current day to reference Noah, so that the believer will understand that man was destroyed then and will be again by fire. At least this is what I get from 2 Peter 3 (no matter what translation I use).

What I don't understand is that you are relating it to creation and I am not able to connect it because I know the story of Noah, but what happened before the world was created I am ignorant to, I cannot honestly say that I am willingly ignorant to it though, it is just not something I am comprehending, nor is there much scripture that pertains to it.

My question is if you will come back to listen and answer is:

#1. Are you using 2 Peter 3 to defend why you believe what you do in Genesis 1 that water existed before the creation, and if so do you think you are using 2 Peter 3 out of context to do so?

#2. What does what happened before the world began in Genesis 1 have to do with what Peter states in 2 Peter 3?

I am just confused as to how the whole meaning of 2 Peter 3 would change based on the knowledge that he was speaking about a time before the creation of the world. And perhaps because I already believe he is speaking of the time of Noah, this is why I am unable to see the reference between Genesis 1 and 2 Peter 3 you are attempting to convey to me.

I honestly appologies for my ignorance (thick headedness), and I truly do seek to understand.

GOD BLESS!

 

[zeke37]

Lets look closely at the scripture in Genesis:
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

We can see here in (verse 1) that God spoke of the creation of the heaven (singular) and the earth.
But in (verse 2) water was already present. "God moved upon the face of the waters."

What God is showing us is that the (heavens) already existed prior to the creation of heaven and earth. And with the (heavens) so did water.

Which also shows that in (verse 2) the earth was in a state of ruin. Notice in 2 Peter 3:5-7 God tells us of the (heavens) are of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. Never in the world that is now was the earth in this state of being. The heaven and the earth were once before. Gen 1:1 is not the beginning as we think it to be. Gen 1:1 is the beginning of what was destroyed. Gen 1:2 was the result of that destruction. The only thing left was a void, formless earth, darkness and water.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the (heavens) and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Gen 1:1 is the beginning...

Gen1:2 says, in Hebrew, that the earth BECAME a void...
an undistinguishible ruin...


so it was something before it was ruin...


there is a gap of time between Gen1:1 and 1:2

 

[zeke37]

Or maybe it could help explain the Gap theory?

Some believe in Gen 1 that God created he heaven and earth, and then in verse 2, the waters show a judgement that happened. In Isiah it says God creats nothing in Vain.

Peter said: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

I dont belive it to be Noahs Flood, because it says the world Perished.

But ya never know

Jer4 seems to shed some more light on the OTHER flood

 

[mmmcounts]

When did God create water?

In the beginning.

In relation to the days of creation, that would be prior to day 1.

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." I take this to mean: God created the heavens and the earth, and He did so in the beginning.

"Now the earth was without form and void, darkness was over the face of the deep and the Spirit of God hovered over the waters." I take this to mean that prior to day 1, the earth wasn't yet formed and was pretty much void of life. It was dark, and apparently, there was water on the earth prior to day 1.

After all that....

God said "Let there be light," and away we go. Until we reach the end of it, of course, and then we do part of it over again starting in verse 4 of chapter 2.

 

[westmanmd]

Shall we remember that, we have long since moved from the begining (as we know it). We that stand now, must diligently look back to find the answers hidden to us by days gone by. All biblas are translations, originating from the compulation of oral traditions and symbolic writings to a system of the written word. The words from the paleo/hebrew picto,indicates that "water" is from the form liquid,massive,chaos. I have only strated this translation investigation. For I am restless of the agreed upon consences of "In the begining". Finding out what the anceint writings say may take awhile, rightly dividing the word is a challenging prospect. I have read in the Bible that God creates by making the invisible, visible, by speaking them. Is not our physical plain different from the Creators plain, the anceint thinkers ask the same questions as we do now, just some have a deepth that take us (it seems, forever)time to answer. Taking a stance, for or against any question, shows a lack of openness.