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No that’s incorrect because in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. There is no verse referring to God creating the universe before creating earth.In the beginning God created the universe (no days or time given for that historic event) but then follows the 7 days for this planet, all life on it, and our solar system
That is the summation of everything.No that’s incorrect because in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Except for the "in the beginning" statement.There is no verse referring to God creating the universe before creating earth.
4 Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
There is no recreated in Gen 1 or 2 and no "recreated" on the day Christ was crucified in the the Gospel accounts.
And there is no "Christ on the cross for six days" and there is no "Christ on the cross for 7 days" in the Gospels either - as we all know.
He created the sun, moon, and the stars on day 4. We only have one star in our solar system which is the sun.That is the summation of everything.
But then what follows is the details for this Earth and our solar system.
The “morning stars” are Jesus and satan.Except for the "in the beginning" statement.
Job 38:
3 Now tighten the belt on your waist like a man,
And I shall ask you, and you inform Me!
4 Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
5 Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the measuring line over it?
6 On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy
God's other intelligent creations(beings)..- saw His work in laying the foundations of EARTH. The universe existed before the Earth.
On day 4 God created two lights in the sky - not a zillion and two.
God lives in a eternal realm .... no time ... no beginning ... no end. Hard for us to grasp because mankind is restricted to time ... God is not.Hi everyone, I have been pondering this, but I am not sure if this is scriptural and legit or not. Let me know what you think! My question is this- when did God create the universe? I think the answer is- never! God created time! The bible does say that God created the heavens and the earth in 7 days and I believe that, but when were the 7 days? Space and time are connected, there is space-time and the space-time continuum. I believe the "heavens" described in the bible are the universe. What do you think of this?
If I place a camera in the woods with no one around and it records a deer taking 30 seconds to walk across the path of the camera that just proved that time still exists without human presence.God lives in a eternal realm .... no time ... no beginning ... no end. Hard for us to grasp because mankind is restricted to time ... God is not.
Colossians 1:16 In-Context
16 For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.
God created time for mankind (with purposes) and time is restricted to planet earth. Time cannot exist without consciousness. It only exists in the human mind.
Correct. Anything beyond this is pure speculation.In the beginning God created the universe (no days or time given for that historic event) but then follows the 7 days for this planet, all life on it, and our solar system
Except for the fact that the verse actually includes the heavens and the earth so that statement is not exclusive to the universe being created in the beginning and on the fourth day the stars were created which are part of the creation of the universe.Correct. Anything beyond this is pure speculation.
vs 1 is the summation that in all of it - God is the one creating.Except for the fact that the verse actually includes the heavens and the earth so that statement is not exclusive to the universe being created
Genesis 1 is very specific - only two lights create on day 4. Not a zillion and 2.in the beginning and on the fourth day the stars were created
That is the summation of everything.
But then what follows is the details for this Earth and our solar system.
Except for the "in the beginning" statement.
Job 38:
3 Now tighten the belt on your waist like a man,
And I shall ask you, and you inform Me!
4 Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
5 Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the measuring line over it?
6 On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy
God's other intelligent creations(beings)..- saw His work in laying the foundations of EARTH. The universe existed before the Earth.
On day 4 God created two lights in the sky - not a zillion and two.
Gen 1:14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and they shall serve as signs and for seasons, and for days and years; 15 and they shall serve as lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; ( the stars also). 17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
exactly two lights made on day 4.He created the sun, moon, and the stars on day 4.
Agreed.We only have one star in our solar system
You can’t use the idea that the verse doesn’t say and God said let there be stars because he said let there be lights in the heavens. He didn’t say let there be a sun or let there be a moon. He said let there be lights in the heavens. So that same argument would also apply to the sun and moon. And that specific sentence doesn’t say anything about giving light to the earth, it’s specific to what He made.vs 1 is the summation that in all of it - God is the one creating.
But Gen 1 does not include the creation of the heavens, or of the Angels as happening on any of the days of creation - not of of even one star other than our own sun.
It only describes the formatting of Earth for life, and the creation of all life on Earth as well as the creation of 'the two great lights' - our Sun and moon.
Nothing else (other than the day of rest of day 7)
Genesis 1 is very specific - only two lights create on day 4. Not a zillion and 2.
Day 4 has no "and God said - let there be stars in the heavens".
Day 4 has not "And God made a bazillion lights in the sky" -- rather it just states that in addition to the Sun and moon made on day 4 - the stars also give light in the sky - without saying when they were made.
Why do you have (the stars also) in parenthesis? It’s in the actual Hebrew text, it’s not added. And the phrase “let there be lights” just means plural it is not limited to only two.exactly two lights made on day 4.
Gen 1:14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and they shall serve as signs and for seasons, and for days and years; 15 and they shall serve as lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; ( the stars also).
17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
The text places stars in with the two lights made on day 4 - saying that the lights are in the sky and give light -- but does not tell us when they were made.
"the lesser light to govern the night" is linked to "The starts also" speaking of that which governs the night but does not include the zillions of stars in with the "two" lights actually made on day 4. There is no "Let there be stars" There is no 'Then God made the stars" for day four.
Agreed.
The others were already there -- and are not included in the two lights made on day four.
It says he made the sun and the moon and the stars also.The text places stars in with the two lights made on day 4 - saying that the lights are in the sky and give light -- but does not tell us when they were made.
It doesn’t say let there be a sun or let there be a moon either. It says let there be lights. The sun and the moon and the stars are all lights.the lesser light to govern the night" is linked to "The starts also" speaking of that which governs the night but does not include the zillions of stars in with the "two" lights actually made on day 4. There is no "Let there be stars" There is no 'Then God made the stars" for day four.
No it says "The moon to rule the night" -- "the stars also".It says he made the sun and the moon and the stars also.
It doesn’t say let there be a sun or let there be a moon either.
It it says the number is "two".It says let there be lights.
true. Some of them are included in the number "two" -- some are notThe sun and the moon and the stars are all lights.
vs 1 is the summation that in all of it - God is the one creating.
Verse 1 happened on the first dayVs 1 tells us He made everything - so that would include stars -- but does not tell us when.
Not according to the text.Verse 1 happened on the first day
”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.“
Genesis 1:1 NASB1995
Since when does anyone begin a process of doing anything with the word “then”? This is stupid, it’s similar to saying “ahh but he didn’t say Simon says”. As if the term God created the heavens and the earth in six days is insufficient evidence to support the belief that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days.Not according to the text.
Each day begins with "then God said and ends with "and evening and morning were..."
Day 1 -- vs 3 Then God said, - let there be... light"
Day 2 -- vs 6 Then God said, “Let there be an expanse
Day 3 -- vs 9 Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered...
Day 4 -- vs 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse...
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