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What's considered seafood?

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I'm just curious, it's my understanding that alligators are safe for lents during Friday, but DUCKS are not.

What else is considered safe to eat during Friday?
 

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I'm just curious, it's my understanding that alligators are safe for lents during Friday, but DUCKS are not.

What else is considered safe to eat during Friday?
Alligators ARE OK for Lent. So are some mammals that live aquatically. I didn't know about ducks.
 
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What is considered seafood for Lent?​

As Catholicism spread across the globe, the question of what animals can be eaten during Lent became more and more complicated. Over the centuries, several non-fish (including some mammals) have been added to the list of allowed foods, making the religious definition of fish far broader than the scientific definition.

Here are a few animals that qualify for Lent:

Alligator​



This may not come as a surprise to many Louisiana Lent practitioners, especially as it was the Archbishop of New Orleans that officially recognized the alligator as a Lent-safe option.

According to the Catholic News Agency, an outlet that covers news relating to the Catholic Church, Archbishop Gregory Aymond wrote in 2010 that "the alligator is considered in the fish family."

The Catholic News Agency said that a church document on Lenten practices shows some of the rationales, saying that the abstinence rules only block "animals such as chickens, cows, sheep or pigs – all of which live on land."

The document also said birds are meat, but "salt and freshwater species of fish, amphibians, reptiles, (cold-blooded animals) and shellfish are permitted."

Beaver​



The Bishop of Quebec, Francois de Laval, asked his supervisors in Paris during the 17th century if the beaver was considered a fish. Their answer? Yes.

According to The Scientific American, the question came as European missionaries attempted to convert Native Americans and Canadians to Catholicism, but the two populations relied heavily on beaver meat.

The church decided that, because of its strong swimming ability, the beaver could be considered a fish, despite being a mammal.

Capybara​


The situation with the capybara — the largest known rodent in the world — is fairly similar to the beaver.

The Fisheries Blog — a blog run by professional fisheries scientists — said that a Venezuelan priest is credited with going to Italy in the 18th century and getting papal approval to consider capybara a fish.

The capybara do spend much of their time in Central and South America's lakes and rivers, but they are mammals.

Muskrat​

The muskrat can be found in much of North America, primarily in the U.S. and Canada, but it was the Archbishop of Detroit who opened the door for Catholics to eat the rodent during the Lenten season.

The Detroit Free Press reported in 2019 that Detroit-area Catholics have "long-standing permission" to eat the rodent during Lent. The tradition goes back to the 1700s when missionaries began coming to the Detroit River area.

Edward Peters, an expert on canon law, told the newspaper in 2019 that priests "realized that food was especially scarce in the region by the time Lent came around and did not want to burden Catholics unreasonably by denying them one of the few readily available sources of nutrition — however unappetizing it might be for most folks."

Puffin​

In a chapter of the book "Food and Faith in Christian Culture," Sydney Watts wrote that the Archbishop of Rouen in the 17th century originally declared that monks on the northern coast of France should end the practice of eating puffins, small seabirds, during the Lenten season, saying it did not fall in line with the practice of abstinence.

But after making his decision, there was an investigation into whether the small birds should be allowed during Lent. Medical doctors in Rouen argued that the biological and nutritional qualities of puffins made them more like fish than birds.

Ultimately, the archbishop agreed and reversed his decision, Watts wrote.

Iguana and Armadillo​

In Nicaragua, iguana and armadillo soups have become a Lenten staple, according to a 2017 article from the Agence France Presse published by The Huffington Post.

 
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Alligators ARE OK for Lent. So are some mammals that live aquatically. I didn't know about ducks.
I don't think ducks are ok because they are poultry.
 
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What is considered seafood for Lent?​

As Catholicism spread across the globe, the question of what animals can be eaten during Lent became more and more complicated. Over the centuries, several non-fish (including some mammals) have been added to the list of allowed foods, making the religious definition of fish far broader than the scientific definition.

Here are a few animals that qualify for Lent:

Alligator​



This may not come as a surprise to many Louisiana Lent practitioners, especially as it was the Archbishop of New Orleans that officially recognized the alligator as a Lent-safe option.

According to the Catholic News Agency, an outlet that covers news relating to the Catholic Church, Archbishop Gregory Aymond wrote in 2010 that "the alligator is considered in the fish family."

The Catholic News Agency said that a church document on Lenten practices shows some of the rationales, saying that the abstinence rules only block "animals such as chickens, cows, sheep or pigs – all of which live on land."

The document also said birds are meat, but "salt and freshwater species of fish, amphibians, reptiles, (cold-blooded animals) and shellfish are permitted."

Beaver​



The Bishop of Quebec, Francois de Laval, asked his supervisors in Paris during the 17th century if the beaver was considered a fish. Their answer? Yes.

According to The Scientific American, the question came as European missionaries attempted to convert Native Americans and Canadians to Catholicism, but the two populations relied heavily on beaver meat.

The church decided that, because of its strong swimming ability, the beaver could be considered a fish, despite being a mammal.

Capybara​


The situation with the capybara — the largest known rodent in the world — is fairly similar to the beaver.

The Fisheries Blog — a blog run by professional fisheries scientists — said that a Venezuelan priest is credited with going to Italy in the 18th century and getting papal approval to consider capybara a fish.

The capybara do spend much of their time in Central and South America's lakes and rivers, but they are mammals.

Muskrat​

The muskrat can be found in much of North America, primarily in the U.S. and Canada, but it was the Archbishop of Detroit who opened the door for Catholics to eat the rodent during the Lenten season.

The Detroit Free Press reported in 2019 that Detroit-area Catholics have "long-standing permission" to eat the rodent during Lent. The tradition goes back to the 1700s when missionaries began coming to the Detroit River area.

Edward Peters, an expert on canon law, told the newspaper in 2019 that priests "realized that food was especially scarce in the region by the time Lent came around and did not want to burden Catholics unreasonably by denying them one of the few readily available sources of nutrition — however unappetizing it might be for most folks."

Puffin​

In a chapter of the book "Food and Faith in Christian Culture," Sydney Watts wrote that the Archbishop of Rouen in the 17th century originally declared that monks on the northern coast of France should end the practice of eating puffins, small seabirds, during the Lenten season, saying it did not fall in line with the practice of abstinence.

But after making his decision, there was an investigation into whether the small birds should be allowed during Lent. Medical doctors in Rouen argued that the biological and nutritional qualities of puffins made them more like fish than birds.

Ultimately, the archbishop agreed and reversed his decision, Watts wrote.

Iguana and Armadillo​

In Nicaragua, iguana and armadillo soups have become a Lenten staple, according to a 2017 article from the Agence France Presse published by The Huffington Post.

Muskrat? Really?
 
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I wouldn't imagine ducks being safe. They walk on dry land.
I won't eat Duck. I was just curious if it was "safe" or not.
 
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I’m kind of grossed out now. :sick:
I'm actually grossed out people enjoy Duck. I'm of Czech descent and many Czech Americans enjoy it ***shudder**** No, thank you.
 
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Really greasy too.
Yup. Yuck. Not for me :(

I don't like goose either. Apparently my 100% Czech grandmother enjoyed it (RIP)
 
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Just as an FYI, in the Orthodox Church, anything with a backbone is not considered Lenten, so shellfish, squid and octopus, as well as lobster (which used to be a poor man's food) can be eaten during Lent and other fasting days, but most fish are considered as 'meat' and cannot be eaten during Lent and other fasting days. The exception to the rule is when a major feast day falls during one of the fasting periods, in which case fish is permitted.
 
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Just as an FYI, in the Orthodox Church, anything with a backbone is not considered Lenten, so shellfish, squid and octopus, as well as lobster (which used to be a poor man's food) can be eaten during Lent and other fasting days, but most fish are considered as 'meat' and cannot be eaten during Lent and other fasting days. The exception to the rule is when a major feast day falls during one of the fasting periods, in which case fish is permitted.
Thanks for sharing :)
 
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Just as an FYI, in the Orthodox Church, anything with a backbone is not considered Lenten, so shellfish, squid and octopus, as well as lobster (which used to be a poor man's food) can be eaten during Lent and other fasting days, but most fish are considered as 'meat' and cannot be eaten during Lent and other fasting days. The exception to the rule is when a major feast day falls during one of the fasting periods, in which case fish is permitted.
Even things like cod or salmon are not permitted?
 
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