What is vexing the Holy Spirit?

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Isaiah 63:10
But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit;
So He turned Himself against them as an enemy,
And He fought against them.
　
Grieving the Spirit by inconsistancy of walk is rebellion that results in limiting God.
　
Psalm 78:8
And may not be like their fathers,
A stubborn and rebellious generation,
A generation that did not set its heart aright,
And whose spirit was not faithful to God.
40:How often they provoked Him in the wilderness,
And grieved Him in the desert!
41 Yes, again and again they tempted God,
And limited the Holy One of Israel.
　
Stephen warned against resisting the Holy Spirit
　
Acts 7:51
"You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.
　
The Holy Spirit is brought into every one of our situations, there in times of need, whether we call for help or not.
　
Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

But even the Holy Spirit cannot keep us from despising our inheritance
　
Hebrews 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

 

[DrFrank]

This is a good message but it omits the most serious offense against the Holy Spirit;blasphemy which is the one sin that can never be forgiven.

Matthew 12:31-32 (King James Version)

31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Most Christians have heard mention of the "unforgivable sin" but have no idea what it actually is. Since it is the one and only sin that is guaranteed to send everyone who commits it to hell don't you think that ministers would frequently discuss it?Why do you suppose it is almost never even mentioned in churches?

The most common reason is that most ministers teach that God is in reality none other than The Big Sugar Daddy In The Sky who grants admission to heaven to everyone who requests it.Of course if true the angels would quickly want to flee because of all of the spiritual perverts in the neighborhood.

The second most common reason that the "unforgivable sin" is never discussed in church is because the minister himself has committed the sin and therefore refuses to acknowledge it.In fact some ministers periodically teach blasphemy against the Holy Spirit from their pulpits.If you read the context verses for those printed above you'll see that specifically what Jesus was referring to are statements attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan,an activity some ministers seem to revel in as they teach that the Holy Spirit's gift of speaking in tongues is actually a satanic manifestation.

 

[Emmy]

Dear maid in His imagine. We know the Holy Spirit is in the world today to carry on the work which Jesus, our Saviour started. To vex is to distress or afflict. There are different ways of doing this, and we all should know how NOT to do it. Jesus told us if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven you, but Jesus also told us if you blaspheme the Son of Man, it will be forgiven you. We know that Jesus lived on earth for 33 years, and Jesus called Himself the Son of Man, although we know Him as Jesus, God-Son. That proves to us that to blaspheme God is unforgivable, yet to do that to men, will be forgiven. ( if we ask for forgiveness) God is our loving Heavenly Father, and God wants us back again as His sons and daughters. Jesus paid the prize to God`s Holy Law, and now we are forgiven, we are reconciled to God. BUT Jesus kept telling us to REPENT, to exchange our selfish and wilfull character for loving God above all else, and loving our brothers and sisters AS we love ourselves, selflessly and forgiving as God has forgiven us. God is Love, He is our loving Heavenly Father who wants us back again to live with for eternity. Love is the Key to Heaven, where we came from. Sadly, some Christians want us to believe that God is a SOFTY, who says Yes to everything. Instead of getting upset about this, I feel sad wen I come across it. God is Love, maid in His image, and like the loving Heavenly Father He is, God wants to live eternity with loving sons and daughters. Love is the Key to Heaven, and the Holy Spirit will never be distress or saddened by selfless and benevolent love. I say this humbly and with blessed assurance. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Here it shows how Lot was vexed

2Peter 2:7-8 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds)

Job 19:2 How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?

Ephes 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1) to make sorrowful
2) to affect with sadness, cause grief, to throw into sorrow
3) to grieve, offend
4) to make one uneasy, cause him a scruple


Psalm 119: 58 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts...

Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

Back as early as this...

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Heb 3:12 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?


Heres just a few for your thread

 

[bugkiller]

Here it shows how Lot was vexed

2Peter 2:7-8 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds)

Job 19:2 How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?

Ephes 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1) to make sorrowful
2) to affect with sadness, cause grief, to throw into sorrow
3) to grieve, offend
4) to make one uneasy, cause him a scruple


Psalm 119: 58 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts...

Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

Back as early as this...

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Heb 3:12 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?


Heres just a few for your thread

Well at least one refenence (eph 4:30) has to do with the topic. The topic is grieving/vexing the Holy Spirit, not the word grieved or its forms.

bugkiller

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

A dinasour thread (leaving off the name zombie so close to Halloween) to bring up a good topic once again that isn't spoken of much

Matthew 12:31
Therefore I say to you, Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Hebrews 10:29
By how much do you think he will be thought worthy of worse punishment who has trampled underfoot the Son of God and has considered the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Jn 1:7
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from every sin.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Matthew 12:24
24 But the Pharisees, hearing this, said, This man does not cast out the demons except by Beelzebul, ruler of the demons.

Blasheming of the Holy Spirit is different in Matt 12:31 from insulting the Holy Spirit in Heb 10:29. To insult the Holy Spirit is to disobey willfully which is what many Christians do. Jn 1 tells us that if they confess the sin they will be cleansed by the Lord's blood. To blaspheme is to slander the miracles performed by the Holy Spirit.Matt 12:24 Because it was by the Holy Spirit that Jesus cast out demons that saying Belzubub was the power behind the casting out was the ultimate of rejection against the heavenly King and the Kingdom.
The vexing of the Spirit has more to do with quenching of the Spirit that effects the conscience's ability to aply the cleansing blood. Once the blood has been applied, the conscience is cleansed and the sins are forgotten, as far as the east is from the west. In holding onto past sins the denial of the power of the Godhead is evidenced. And the vexing, the limiting, of His power.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

This is a good message but it omits the most serious offense against the Holy Spirit;blasphemy which is the one sin that can never be forgiven.

Matthew 12:31-32 (King James Version)

31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Most Christians have heard mention of the "unforgivable sin" but have no idea what it actually is. Since it is the one and only sin that is guaranteed to send everyone who commits it to hell don't you think that ministers would frequently discuss it?Why do you suppose it is almost never even mentioned in churches?

The most common reason is that most ministers teach that God is in reality none other than The Big Sugar Daddy In The Sky who grants admission to heaven to everyone who requests it.Of course if true the angels would quickly want to flee because of all of the spiritual perverts in the neighborhood.

Looking not at flesh and blood but to the power behind the behavior. Even Peter was seen by Jesus as being of the Spirit at one moment and of the spirit of satan the next. Every sin is forgivable except that of saying the Holy Spirit is satanical. I remember once a long time ago, I was doing a study with a bible and concordence and the last verse was going to prove my point. The title of the study was 'if God is everything then he must be both good and evil'
The last verse I looked up said something to the effect WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION MY NAME....
I don't startle easily but I nearly had a heart attack and my life went for a spin for many years after (not saying it was related but) I believe that was the nearest I came to the unforgivable sin.
But this is different from the OP title imo

The second most common reason that the "unforgivable sin" is never discussed in church is because the minister himself has committed the sin and therefore refuses to acknowledge it.In fact some ministers periodically teach blasphemy against the Holy Spirit from their pulpits.If you read the context verses for those printed above you'll see that specifically what Jesus was referring to are statements attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan,an activity some ministers seem to revel in as they teach that the Holy Spirit's gift of speaking in tongues is actually a satanic manifestation.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Here it shows how Lot was vexed

2Peter 2:7-8 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds)

Job 19:2 How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?

That is vexation of the human soul from contact with the world ... so unaviodable isn't it

Ephes 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Sealed being the keyword...anyone who would attribute satan to works of the Spirit would not be in this category

1) to make sorrowful
2) to affect with sadness, cause grief, to throw into sorrow
3) to grieve, offend
4) to make one uneasy, cause him a scruple


Psalm 119: 58 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

The Holy Spirit and the spirit of mankind are so closely related when in communion with Him that it's hard to distinguish as each is in each other

Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts...

Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

A man of sorrow and acquanted with grief is very much representative also of the Holy Spirit's vexation with us

Back as early as this...

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

No I think that was not the human spirit that was in action but the flesh and intellect turned against God. It wasn't until Abraham that God found the will that He could work thru.

Heb 3:12 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

They fell thru unbelief not willing to go forth

Heres just a few for your thread

Thanks Fireinfolding

 

[brinny]

...getting back to vexing the Holy Spirit...it seems God does not take too kindly to it...and also seems to be one o' those times that it be'z best ta listen to His warnings not to.

It may not seem to relate at first glance, but it would be a phenomenal study on how the "vexing" of the Holy Spirit ties into the "fear of the Lord" or lack thereof.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

...getting back to vexing the Holy Spirit...it seems God does not take too kindly to it...and also seems to be one o' those times that it be'z best ta listen to His warnings not to.

It may not seem to relate at first glance, but it would be a phenomenal study on how the "vexing" of the Holy Spirit ties into the "fear of the Lord" or lack thereof.

As pointed out vexing of the soul is a personal thing that is found in the world, while vexing of the Spirit isn't. So more on topic.
Fear of the Lord otoh is just a beginning of knowledge, again more of the intellect, but doesn't necessarily involve a willingness to follow.
More to the point, before the flood the world was destroyed because of the pollution of the flesh. Then Babel was brought about from the exaltation of the intellect in rebellion. Those were the things that vexed God because they were set against His plan for human kind. It wasn't until He had the Spirit working thru mankind in Abraha's willingness that He had a foundation on which to build His purpose. Anything ie: knowledge that exalted itself against Christ ... (even a lack of trust in His forgiveness) is thrawting His purpose and therefore a vexation of the Spirit. Not a vexation of the soul which is a human thing.

 

[Fireinfolding]

That is vexation of the human soul from contact with the world ... so unaviodable isn't it

Sealed being the keyword...anyone who would attribute satan to works of the Spirit would not be in this category

The Holy Spirit and the spirit of mankind are so closely related when in communion with Him that it's hard to distinguish as each is in each other


A man of sorrow and acquanted with grief is very much representative also of the Holy Spirit's vexation with us
No I think that was not the human spirit that was in action but the flesh and intellect turned against God. It wasn't until Abraham that God found the will that He could work thru.

They fell thru unbelief not willing to go forth


Thanks Fireinfolding

Yeah sure.

Thanks for whatever that response was suppose to be about (even four years later).

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Yeah sure.

Thanks for whatever that response was suppose to be about (even four years later).

yw

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Isaiah 63:10
But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit;
So He turned Himself against them as an enemy,
And He fought against them.
　
Grieving the Spirit by inconsistancy of walk is rebellion that results in limiting God.
　
Psalm 78:8
And may not be like their fathers,
A stubborn and rebellious generation,
A generation that did not set its heart aright,
And whose spirit was not faithful to God.
40:How often they provoked Him in the wilderness,
And grieved Him in the desert!
41 Yes, again and again they tempted God,
And limited the Holy One of Israel.
　
Stephen warned against resisting the Holy Spirit
　
Acts 7:51
"You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.
　
The Holy Spirit is brought into every one of our situations, there in times of need, whether we call for help or not.
　
Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

But even the Holy Spirit cannot keep us from despising our inheritance
　
Hebrews 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

Ok so here is where I'm trying to define the difference:
David feared the Lord but his actions limited God's work because he was a man with blood on his hands.
Other things that limit His work, that vex the Holy Spirit:
~ the nation of Israel who knew the Lord but acted as if He had never led them. Isa 63
~Or ones who did not pass on His teachings to others Ps 78
~or those with uncircumcised hearts and ears Act 7
~that still argued amonst themselves eph 4
~not persevering in faith Heb 10
so the fear of the Lord may or may not limit God's work

 

[brinny]

Interesting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on that.

David feared the Lord and that is why he was called the "apple of God's eye" and a "man after God's own heart". He sinned, you bet'cha he did, BIG TIME. YET, he returned to the Lord, and that is because above and beyond ev'rything else, he loved and feared his God and because of it, sought God's forgiveness, and received it. David DELIGHTED in God. He didn't seek to grieve God's Holy Spirit. He prayed to God asking Him to re-new a right spirit within him. And God did.

The ones spoke of in the verse in Isaiah didn't give a hoot about God and as God describes in other parts of His Word, "despised" God. They never ever had a heart for Him and never intended to. Along with God's description of a rebellious and stiff-necked people were the words "despised God" in their hearts, and had no "fear of God" in their hearts.

The lack of the "fear of the Lord" is what grieves God's Holy Spirit. To not fear God deems Him to be an "after thought". This grieves Him.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Interesting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on that.

David feared the Lord and that is why he was called the "apple of God's eye" and a "man after God's own heart". He sinned, you bet'cha he did, BIG TIME. YET, he returned to the Lord, and that is because above and beyond ev'rything else, he loved and feared his God and because of it, sought God's forgiveness, and received it. David DELIGHTED in God. He didn't seek to grieve God's Holy Spirit. He prayed to God asking Him to re-new a right spirit within him. And God did.

The ones spoke of in the verse in Isaiah didn't give a hoot about God and as God describes in other parts of His Word, "despised" God. They never ever had a heart for Him and never intended to. Along with God's description of a rebellious and stiff-necked people were the words "despised God" in their hearts, and had no "fear of God" in their hearts.

The lack of the "fear of the Lord" is what grieves God's Holy Spirit. To not fear God deems Him to be an "after thought". This grieves Him.

Do you believe lack of prayer limits God's work?

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Interesting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on that.

David feared the Lord and that is why he was called the "apple of God's eye" and a "man after God's own heart". He sinned, you bet'cha he did, BIG TIME. YET, he returned to the Lord, and that is because above and beyond ev'rything else, he loved and feared his God and because of it, sought God's forgiveness, and received it. David DELIGHTED in God. He didn't seek to grieve God's Holy Spirit. He prayed to God asking Him to re-new a right spirit within him. And God did.

The ones spoke of in the verse in Isaiah didn't give a hoot about God and as God describes in other parts of His Word, "despised" God. They never ever had a heart for Him and never intended to. Along with God's description of a rebellious and stiff-necked people were the words "despised God" in their hearts, and had no "fear of God" in their hearts.

The lack of the "fear of the Lord" is what grieves God's Holy Spirit. To not fear God deems Him to be an "after thought". This grieves Him.

Do you believe lack of prayer limits God's work?

Hmmm interesting question....lack of prayer? It limits God's work in our hearts, minds, and souls, doesn't it? Prayer is for OUR benefit, not God's, isn't it?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Hmmm interesting question....lack of prayer? It limits God's work in our hearts, minds, and souls, doesn't it? Prayer is for OUR benefit, not God's, isn't it?

Along with the various other ways that limit His work to vex the Holy Spirit:
~ the nation of Israel who knew the Lord but acted as if He had never led them. Isa 63
~Or ones who did not pass on His teachings to others Ps 78
~or those with uncircumcised hearts and ears Act 7
~that still argued amonst themselves eph 4
~not persevering in faith Heb 10

He prayed to God asking Him to re-new a right spirit within him. And God did.

there is also the matter of prayer. David had to pray so that God could make the type of right spirit within David to be of use to Him. Not only does it grieve the Spirit to not have that fellowship but is also a vexation to His work because it does not free the way for the Holy Spirit to work.

 

[brinny]

^ re: the above the bottom line would be a heart condition that would prompt what you listed above, wouldn't it? All of what you listed is summarized in a basic heart condition, isn't it?

David prayed BECAUSE he was prompted by the Holy Spirit to do so. David's heart condition was ALWAYS that he wanted more than anything else, to be in fellowship with God Who he loved with all that was in him. THIS is what God saw. THIS is why David was drawn to pray to God for forgiveness.

It isn't the lack of prayers that grieves God's Holy Spirit, it's the heart condition behind the prayers. God reads our hearts before we open our mouths to say a word, doesn't He?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

^ re: the above the bottom line would be a heart condition that would prompt what you listed above, wouldn't it? All of what you listed is summarized in a basic heart condition, isn't it?

David prayed BECAUSE he was prompted by the Holy Spirit to do so. David's heart condition was ALWAYS that he wanted more than anything else, to be in fellowship with God Who he loved with all that was in him. THIS is what God saw. THIS is why David was drawn to pray to God for forgiveness.

It isn't the lack of prayers that grieves God's Holy Spirit, it's the heart condition behind the prayers. God reads our hearts before we open our mouths to say a word, doesn't He?

The heart condition is the reason for prayer. At the throne of grace the recipient recieves mercy to relieve the conscience. If the 'pardon' if you will, is not recieved and guilt remains where forgiveness has been obtained and sins forgotten then that would be a vexation of God's ability to work within that person.

So the heart condition has remained the same. There's a lack of perseverence in the faith. God calls that an uncircumcised heart because the ears are not open to His teachings.

If say as a church/body the vexation would be seen in not passing on teachings by perhaps teaching philosophy in it's place. Or having strife going unattended. Or acting as if they were leading themselves rather than God leading them.

So I think what may be not in your replies is how God is affected and limited by all these things.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
^ re: the above the bottom line would be a heart condition that would prompt what you listed above, wouldn't it? All of what you listed is summarized in a basic heart condition, isn't it?

David prayed BECAUSE he was prompted by the Holy Spirit to do so. David's heart condition was ALWAYS that he wanted more than anything else, to be in fellowship with God Who he loved with all that was in him. THIS is what God saw. THIS is why David was drawn to pray to God for forgiveness.

It isn't the lack of prayers that grieves God's Holy Spirit, it's the heart condition behind the prayers. God reads our hearts before we open our mouths to say a word, doesn't He?

The heart condition is the reason for prayer. At the throne of grace the recipient recieves mercy to relieve the conscience. If the 'pardon' if you will, is not recieved and guilt remains where forgiveness has been obtained and sins forgotten then that would be a vexation of God's ability to work within that person.

So the heart condition has remained the same. There's a lack of perseverence in the faith. God calls that an uncircumcised heart because the ears are not open to His teachings.

If say as a church/body the vexation would be seen in not passing on teachings by perhaps teaching philosophy in it's place. Or having strife going unattended. Or acting as if they were leading themselves rather than God leading them.

So I think what may be not in your replies is how God is affected and limited by all these things.

LOL! Not following you. The bottom line re: vexation/grieving of God's Holy Spirit is a bottom line of what pleases God and what doesn't, isn't it?

If God is not pleased, what difference does anything man does make? It's merely going through the motions, isn't it?

Reminds me of King Saul and how he presumed to be a priest and sacrificed to God taking upon himself that role, and then Samuel the prophet came and told Saul what an abomination he had done. Above and beyond what Saul did or did not do was the condition of his heart. He didn't give a hoot about God and discarded both God and what pleased and honored God, which highlighted the condition of his own heart towards God. He had no regard for God and no Godly fear of Him, bottom line.

If there is no Godly fear of God, it doesn't much matter what someone does or doesn't do. It's merely going through the motions and casting aside God in the process as if He's just an after-thought.

Kinda' reminds me of this:

...it don't much matter how much ya' pray for others or seek a ministry, if yu don't love God with all yer heart, mind, soul and strength and "walk" and "talk" with Him and thus "know" Him. Cuz if yu don't, yu might as well just leave it be. Cuz what IS it are ya' tryin' to accomplish? That it's possible to do ANY of this WITHOUT God?

Is it?