What is "Bapticostal?

[2win]

I am curious to know what a "Bapticostal is, and are there any on the Baptist forums here.

 

[DawnStar]

Baptist beliefs. Pentecostal style worship such as speaking in tongues and prophecy.

 

[OzSpen]

I am curious to know what a "Bapticostal is, and are there any on the Baptist forums here.

I'm a Baptist (Baptistic) who is charismatic in my beliefs about the continuing gifts of the Spirit. However, I'm not Bapticostal if that means I am a Baptist who is a Pentecostal who believes in tongues as the initial physical evidence of the baptism with the Holy Spirit (which is the theology of some Pentecostal denominations).

Oz

 

[DeaconDean]

I'm a Baptist (Baptistic) who is charismatic in my beliefs about the continuing gifts of the Spirit. However, I'm not Bapticostal if that means I am a Baptist who is a Pentecostal who believes in tongues as the initial physical evidence of the baptism with the Holy Spirit (which is the theology of some Pentecostal denominations).

Oz

You hit the nail on the head.

There are unfortunately some "Baptists" who adhere to the Pentecostal belief that unless you speak in tongues upon baptism, you have not been filled with the Holy Spirit.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[OzSpen]

You hit the nail on the head.

There are unfortunately some "Baptists" who adhere to the Pentecostal belief that unless you speak in tongues upon baptism, you have not been filled with the Holy Spirit.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Dean,

The main Pentecostal denominations do not speak of tongues as a manifestation in association with baptism in water.

In the Statement of Faith of the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, it states:

5.6.3 BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT
The baptism in the Holy Spirit is an experience in which believers yield control of themselves to the Holy Spirit.Through this the believer comes to know Christ in a more intimate way and receives power to witness and grow spiritually. Believers should earnestly seek the baptism in the Holy Spirit according to the command of our Lord Jesus Christ. The initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. This experience is distinct from and subsequent to the experience of the new birth.
​

The Assemblies of God in Australia (now called Australian Christian Churches) has a similar statement:

4.13 The Baptism in the Holy Spirit
We believe that the baptism in the Holy Spirit is the bestowing of the believer with power to be an effective witness for Christ. This experience is distinct from, and subsequent to, the new birth; is received by faith, and is accompanied by the manifestation of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, as the initial evidence (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4-5, 8; 2:1-4; 8:15-19; 11:14-17; 19:1-7).​

Oz

 

[DeaconDean]

Dean,

The main Pentecostal denominations do not speak of tongues as a manifestation in association with baptism in water.

In the Statement of Faith of the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, it states:

5.6.3 BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT
The baptism in the Holy Spirit is an experience in which believers yield control of themselves to the Holy Spirit.Through this the believer comes to know Christ in a more intimate way and receives power to witness and grow spiritually. Believers should earnestly seek the baptism in the Holy Spirit according to the command of our Lord Jesus Christ. The initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. This experience is distinct from and subsequent to the experience of the new birth.
​

The Assemblies of God in Australia (now called Australian Christian Churches) has a similar statement:

4.13 The Baptism in the Holy Spirit
We believe that the baptism in the Holy Spirit is the bestowing of the believer with power to be an effective witness for Christ. This experience is distinct from, and subsequent to, the new birth; is received by faith, and is accompanied by the manifestation of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, as the initial evidence (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4-5, 8; 2:1-4; 8:15-19; 11:14-17; 19:1-7).​

Oz

Listen brother, while that may be true in Canada, and in Australia, it is unfortunately true here in the U.S.A.

Especially up in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

"Many new churches and missions were founded across America which carried the new emphasis on seeking the baptism of the Spirit as evidenced by speaking in tongues."

Source

I know some here near (within 2 miles) of where I live that practice it.

It is still preached by some televangelists too.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[lismore]

It's a very interesting subject.

I was speaking to a friend the other day, he asked if there was still prophecy today and if so, if it was God speaking why it were not added to the bible? (Implication being that the Canon being closed was evidence enough that prophecy had ceased). He mentioned having met some extreme views and practices of prophecy from Charismatic believers and having his opinion formed that way.

For me, I'm a member of a Baptist Church, I don't believe in cessationalism or in the gifts as presented by any Charismatic/ Pentecostal Christians I have met.

What does that make me?

 

[OzSpen]

Listen brother, while that may be true in Canada, and in Australia, it is unfortunately true here in the U.S.A.

Especially up in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

"Many new churches and missions were founded across America which carried the new emphasis on seeking the baptism of the Spirit as evidenced by speaking in tongues."

Source

I know some here near (within 2 miles) of where I live that practice it.

It is still preached by some televangelists too.

God Bless

Till all are one.

That does not deal with the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues and this happens when one is baptised. I used to be an ordained minister with the Assemblies of God USA and it did not believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit happened at baptism. It may have happened for some, but that was not the doctrinal emphasis in the A/G's Statement of Faith.

Oz

 

[DeaconDean]

It's a very interesting subject.

I was speaking to a friend the other day, he asked if there was still prophecy today and if so, if it was God speaking why it were not added to the bible? (Implication being that the Canon being closed was evidence enough that prophecy had ceased). He mentioned having met some extreme views and practices of prophecy from Charismatic believers and having his opinion formed that way.

For me, I'm a member of a Baptist Church, I don't believe in cessationalism or in the gifts as presented by any Charismatic/ Pentecostal Christians I have met.

What does that make me?

It makes you a Baptist.

There are a lot of people and denominations that believe since the canon was closed, a lot of things ceased.

Prophesy, speaking in tongues being two.

If people would read the scriptures, they'd see these things are "gifts of the Spirit", made to equipt the body.

Of all the gifts, prophesy was the highest of all. But also, not everybody receives the same gift.

Paul wrote:

"But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." -1 Cor. 13:10 (KJV)

And groups and individuals use this to justify cessation.

But why would Paul refer to something that had already come? (Jesus is the only "perfect person I know of)

Some groups use this to refer to gifts such as speaking in tongues. Here again, why would Paul refer to something that already happened?

Some groups use this to say that since the canon is closed, speaking in tongues has ceased since the "scriptures are perfect".

Refer to my previous questions.

Hope this helps.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

That does not deal with the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues and this happens when one is baptised. I used to be an ordained minister with the Assemblies of God USA and it did not believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit happened at baptism. It may have happened for some, but that was not the doctrinal emphasis in the A/G's Statement of Faith.

Oz

I have an ex brother-in-law, who was born and raised Pentecostal in the mountians of North Carolina.

He related to me his experiences in the Pentecostal church where he was raised, and this was definitely a commonly held belief.

His family moved down to the Piedmont area and in the 1970's through the 2000's, this was still a commonly held belief and practice.

While it may not have been held to by the churches in your area, it is still held to in this area.

And like Baptists, what you choose to accept, may or may not be held to by another Baptist church.

Same with Pentecostals.

Sorry.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

That does not deal with the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues and this happens when one is baptised. I used to be an ordained minister with the Assemblies of God USA and it did not believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit happened at baptism. It may have happened for some, but that was not the doctrinal emphasis in the A/G's Statement of Faith.

Oz

My apologies.

I was not aware that Assemblies of God, Church of God, and Pentecostal were "one-in-the-same".

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[OzSpen]

My apologies.

I was not aware that Assemblies of God, Church of God, and Pentecostal were "one-in-the-same".

God Bless

Till all are one.

Dean,

Assemblies of God, Church of God (Cleveland TN), Foursquare Gospel, International Pentecostal Holiness, Open Bible Standard Churches, Elim, and Church of God in Christ (largely African-American & largest Pentecostal denomination in USA) are examples of Pentecostal denominations.

There is the Church of God denomination based in Anderson IN that is not Pentecostal.

Oz

 

[DeaconDean]

Dean,

Assemblies of God, Church of God (Cleveland TN), Foursquare Gospel, International Pentecostal Holiness, Open Bible Standard Churches, Elim, and Church of God in Christ (largely African-American & largest Pentecostal denomination in USA) are examples of Pentecostal denominations.

There is the Church of God denomination based in Anderson IN that is not Pentecostal.

Oz

Like I said, here in No. Carolina, 99.9% of all Church of God churches are Pentecostal, and they do teach and preach Holy Spirit Baptism.

My brother, in spite of being raised Baptist, for 15 years attended a Church of God, and he can also vouch for what I say.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[now faith]

Some Pennacostal Churches teach that true salvation comes with speaking in tongues upon receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Then some go hog wild and drink poison ,and play with rattlesnakes.

One such person was carried out via Ambulance, after drinking a drain cleaner.

Besides the uncommon type I mentioned ,the name Babticostal is a unusual term for me, though I have heard it before.

In my experience there has always been a hard line between the two denominations, tongues is the biggest issiue then followed by the rest of the gifts of the Spirit.

I completely agree with Deacon on his interpretation of 1st Corinthians.

Here is the most debated verse I have been taught:1 Corinthians: 13. 10. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. - Bible Offline

It is a common belief (that which is perfect is the completed Bible or canon).

But the problem is they stop there,and new believers simply believe the gifts are gone, and a new Bible dispensation has occurred.
I personally believe we are in the dispensation of the Church age ,until Christ's return.

Logic has to prevail on this interpretation ,Dean's points of Paul not teaching the past is a great example.
Here's another:1 Corinthians: 13. 11. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. - Bible Offline

Philippians: 3. 12. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14. I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. - Bible Offline

It's clear that perfect equates to Christ , a Bible does not have a face even though I believe it is devine.

1 John: 3. 2. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I guess to sum up a long post,I was asked by a very legal independent Baptist Pastor: what denomination are you ?
I suppose he wondered because I fellowship with Baptist and nondenominational, Church of God etc..
I replied to him Full Gospel I am a follower of Christ and a believer in his whole Word.

 

[DeaconDean]

Dean,

Assemblies of God, Church of God (Cleveland TN), Foursquare Gospel, International Pentecostal Holiness, Open Bible Standard Churches, Elim, and Church of God in Christ (largely African-American & largest Pentecostal denomination in USA) are examples of Pentecostal denominations.

There is the Church of God denomination based in Anderson IN that is not Pentecostal.

Oz

Be that as it may, it still falls in the same category.

While they may be classified as "Pentecostal", they may not all believe the same things.

While they may share the "Pentecostal" banner, it does a great injustice to lump them all one category, with one belief, doctrines, etc.

Same with Baptists. There are Independents, Free-Will, Landmarkers, Full-Gospel, Bapticostal, Fundamentalist, Arminian, Calvinist, etc.

While they may be classified "Baptist", they all don't believe the same things.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[actionsub]

Like I said, here in No. Carolina, 99.9% of all Church of God churches are Pentecostal, and they do teach and preach Holy Spirit Baptism.

My brother, in spite of being raised Baptist, for 15 years attended a Church of God, and he can also vouch for what I say.

God Bless

Till all are one.

In North Carolina, the chances are fairly good that a Church of God will be aligned with the Cleveland, TN headquarters, which is definitely Pentecostal. This Church of God organization stemmed from a holiness revival on the TN/NC state line in which tongues broke out a good 20 years prior to Azusa Street.
The other major Church of God group is headquartered in Anderson, IN, and they are anti-tongues. This group is more prominent in the upper midwest. They were started by a former Methodist, I believe, that thought the Methodists and other denominations didn't go far enough in preaching holiness. The founder, D.S. Warner, called for like-minded people to come out of the denominations (all of them) and join him in seeking a reformation of Christian unity based in holy living.

 

[DeaconDean]

Thank you for the history lesson. I was already aware of this.

Here again, I only speak from what I personally know and have experienced.

And Pentecostals in this area are definatelty Holy Spirit baptism.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[actionsub]

Thank you for the history lesson. I was already aware of this.

Here again, I only speak from what I personally know and have experienced.

And Pentecostals in this area are definatelty Holy Spirit baptism.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Just backing you up, DD.

 

[Spirit of Pentecost]

A regular Pentecostal church believes in repentance, baptism, and the eventual infilling of the Holy Spirit, although most of them don't believe that receiving the Holy Spirit and the gifts that follow as a necessity for salvation. These churches believe in the Trinity and they will baptize in titles (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost/Spirit). There are multiple churches that would fall under this category around my area, like the Churches of God, the Assemblies of God, and some so-called Community churches. These churches are Pentecostal, meaning they share the beliefs surrounding the baptism of the Holy Spirit, worship styles, et cetera. However, they may different in some areas, such as on "holiness standards" or things of that area.

On the other hand, Oneness Pentecostal (the church I attend) churches do not believe in the Trinity. They believe that Jesus was God himself manifested in human flesh, and upon Christ's ascending into Heaven, he left is Holy Spirit behind as a comforter for Christ's believer's on Earth. They reject the idea of three separate beings being "equal". They believe that they are all one in the same. Therefore, they will not baptize in titles, but instead in Jesus Name, as Peter commanded in Acts 2:38. Oneness Pentecostals usually believe that repentance comes first, then baptism (in Jesus Name), and then receiving the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Most Oneness churches believe that receiving the Holy Ghost is a necessity for salvation, and in these churches, most of the women won't cut their hair, won't wear makeup or jewelry, the men don't wear shorts, et cetera. However, almost all of them will agree that these things are a matter of personal conviction.

On the subject of Bapticostal, I use to attend a Full Gospel Baptist church when I was younger, and I recall my father (and maybe some others) referring to our church as "Bapticostal". They believed in repentance, water baptism (in titles), and the eventual infilling of the Holy Ghost. They did not, however, preach that receiving the Holy Ghost was a must. As far as I know, they didn't believe in "once saved, always saved" (like most Baptists do). Were like a regular Pentecostal church I would say; some did speak in tongues, others didn't; some cut their hair, wore pants, short sleeves, others didn't. We were a mixed possibly.

 

[Dave-W]

They reject the idea of three separate beings being "equal".

True trinitarians reject the idea of "three separate beings." That is known as tritheism and is a heresy.