what does "ave maria" mean?

[kayanne]

I know there are some ex-catholics here on the baptist board who probably know what "ave maria" actually means.
There are a lot of beautiful pieces for piano entitled "Ave Maria," but I am hesitant to use them with any of my non-catholic piano students (especially the baptists) because I don't want to offend them with something they would consider worship of Mary.
Obviously, as piano arrangements, we aren't even singing any words, but I'd still like to be sure of what the title means.

 

[GreenEyedLady]

A´ve Ma`ri´a
Noun1.

Ave Maria - a salutation to the Virgin Mary now used in prayers to Her Hail Mary
prayer - a fixed text used in praying

I also found this online...

Masato's submission is much closer to an actual English translation that what was seen earlier. After four (long-ago) years of high school Latin, I can provide the actual translation (complete with repetitions):

Ave Maria -- Hail Mary
Gratia plena -- Full of Grace
Maria, gratia plena [Mary full of grace]
Maria, gratia plena [Mary full of grace]
Ave, ave dominus [Hail, hail the Lord]
Dominus tecum -- the Lord is with Thee
Benedicta tu in mulieribus -- Blessed art thou amongst women
Et benedictus -- [and blessed]
Et benedictus fructus ventris -- and blessed is the fruit of [a] womb
Ventris tui, Jesus. -- thy womb, Jesus
Ave Maria -- Hail Mary

Ave Maria -- Hail Mary (in the prayer, "Holy Mary")
Mater Dei -- Mother of God
Ora pro nobis peccatoribus -- Pray for us sinners
Ora pro nobis [pray for us]
Ora, ora pro nobis peccatoribus [pray, pray for us sinners]
Nunc et in hora mortis -- Now at at the hour of our death
Et in hora mortis nostrae [and at the hour of our death]
Et in hora mortis nostrae [and at the hour of our death]
Et in hora mortis nostrae [and at the hour of our death]
Ave Maria [Hail Mary]

I hope this helps you!
GEL

 

[Monica02]

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benidictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus.
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae.
Amen.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

The song Green Eyed Lady posted is , I believe , one of the most famous versions.
The one above is also very often sung. There are several versions out there and you might find one that does not have the "pray for us sinners now and out the hour of our death" in it. The rest of the prayer is taken from the Bible, so perhaps some Baptists would not object.

 

[Carrye]

Yes, it is simply the Latin version of the Hail Mary. Jewel has a beautiful version out.

 

[jbarcher]

Ave Maria is a nice song. One can see the left-hand control, eh...

Just thought I'd say that.

 

[Monica02]

. One can see the left-hand control, eh...

Just thought I'd say that.

What does this mean?

 

[BT]

I know there are some ex-catholics here on the baptist board who probably know what "ave maria" actually means.
There are a lot of beautiful pieces for piano entitled "Ave Maria," but I am hesitant to use them with any of my non-catholic piano students (especially the baptists) because I don't want to offend them with something they would consider worship of Mary.
Obviously, as piano arrangements, we aren't even singing any words, but I'd still like to be sure of what the title means.

Yeah I would recommend that you not use the ave maria with your non-catholic students, regardless of whether or not there are words that you use. The "hail mary" prayer is one that your baptist parents will not appreciate, and if you started to use it without telling them I suppose they would be pretty upset when they found out... It is true (and unfortunate) that there are many many many beautiful songs that were created for the catholic church and while several of them would certainly not offend anyone from any church.. the ave maria likely would. Since it not only carries the biblical account of the angel's greeting to Mary .. "Hail Mary.." it carries with it catholic doctrine ... "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death." Such doctrine as we would contend as error.

 

[jbarcher]

What does this mean?

Well, Ave Maria, the song, was originally a study of some sort (by Bach, I think), and then...er...Gonod, I think it was, put a melody on top of the original music, and THEN that piece became known as Ave Maria.

A simplified version I have starts off with a C-major broken chord going upwards from middle C. The left hand is almost always doing broken chords of some sort. When doing this repetitive, constant pattern, it is quite possible to evaluate the pianist's control by judging how they work with dynamics and so on. If the person consistently plays the middle C quite loud, then uh, their control isn't so good.

 

[Monica02]

The Hail Mary's use as a salutation and prayer began to be used frequently in the 11th and 12th centuries, though only the first half was regarded as the Hail Mary. One source attributes the distinct use of the first half to St. Idlefonsus in the 7th century.

Hail Mary, full of grace , the Lord is with thee. (Luke 1;42, with 'Mary' gradually added by the Church).

Blessed art thou amoungst women, and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. (Luke 1:42, with 'Jesus' added by Pope Urban IV in1261).

Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. (Based on the declaration of the Council of Ephesus in 431, this part appeared in the mid 15th century, being codified by the Council of Trent in 1568).

 

[bleechers]

Hail Mary, full of grace , the Lord is with thee. (Luke 1;42, with 'Mary' gradually added by the Church).

Blessed art thou amoungst women, and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. (Luke 1:42, with 'Jesus' added by Pope Urban IV in1261).

Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. (Based on the declaration of the Council of Ephesus in 431, this part appeared in the mid 15th century, being codified by the Council of Trent in 1568).

Bible... Bible... The Tradition of men.



"You make the word of God of none effect by your Tradition." (Mark 7; Matt 15)

 

[Monica02]

Bible... Bible... The Tradition of men.



"You make the word of God of none effect by your Tradition." (Mark 7; Matt 15)

Why did you capitalize the "T" in tradition? That is not how it is written in the Bible.

 

[bleechers]

Why did you capitalize the "T" in tradition? That is not how it is written in the Bible.

And neither is the doctrine to which I refer "in the Bible" (e.g. "Based on the declaration of the Council of Ephesus in 431").



Actually I didn't use a capital T with any intent, but the inference does fit.

Thanks for asking.

 

[Monica02]

And neither is the doctrine to which I refer "in the Bible" (e.g. "Based on the declaration of the Council of Ephesus in 431").



Actually I didn't use a capital T with any intent, but the inference does fit.

Thanks for asking.

I can't debate in this forum so I must be off. I just wanted to give y'all some info on the Ave Maria.

 

[Cright]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~josvg/cits/sb/sb1101.html

Here is a website.. shows as others have already mentioned that this song is the prayer "hail Mary" in Latin.

Carina

 

[@@Paul@@]

Hail Mary??

It's funny how we always turn everything into a slang to make it not so serious...

2. football last-minute pass: a long high pass into the end zone in football, in an effort to score a touchdown before time runs out in the half or game (slang)​

Sorry, couldn't resist...

 

[costlygrace]

As someone pointed out, Ave Maria is a Catholic prayer, and is mostly taken from the Bible, except the part at the end, which is doctrine not found in the Bible. So the title of the song and most of the words are Biblical, even while the ending is unBiblical.

 

[Lioness816]

I have a version by Celine Dion and i was wondering what the words meant. THANKS!!

 

[bleechers]

As someone pointed out, Ave Maria is a Catholic prayer, and is mostly taken from the Bible, except the part at the end, which is doctrine not found in the Bible. So the title of the song and most of the words are Biblical, even while the ending is unBiblical.

"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

 

[BT]

"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

 

[Carrye]

As someone pointed out, Ave Maria is a Catholic prayer, and is mostly taken from the Bible, except the part at the end, which is doctrine not found in the Bible. So the title of the song and most of the words are Biblical, even while the ending is unBiblical.

Unbiblical or extrabiblical?