What did Jesus mean when he said ...

[Exegete12]

This has recently puzzled me quoting from John 10: 33 to 36.
"The Jews answered him, saing, "For a good work we would not stone you; but for blasphemy; written in your law: 'I said, you are gods?'. If He [God] called them gods, to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken."

Can someone please explain why Jesus said that, and also what it means scripture cannot be broken.

These verse has always intrigued me.

 

[Optimax]

This has recently puzzled me quoting from John 10: 33 to 36.
"The Jews answered him, saing, "For a good work we would not stone you; but for blasphemy; written in your law: 'I said, you are gods?'. If He [God] called them gods, to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken."

Can someone please explain why Jesus said that, and also what it means scripture cannot be broken.

These verse has always intrigued me.

The word god is used as a magistrate or ruler. Any one who has been given authority (man) is a ruler. We are to rule over our part of the earth,(have dominion) and subdue our part of the earth by using Gods word.

He also made his statement specific by "unto whom the word of God came". We will rule and reign with Him in the millennium and eternity.
KJV



The scripture can't be broken means scripture can not be set aside, cancelled or annuled.

 

[SharonL]

I have a friend that is a minister - she says that because we have Jesus within us that we are small gods (small g) I have a hard time with this one - I feel that who am I to even think I am a small god (small g) - but is this what this verse means? Is she right?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Read Psalm 82 to get a better understanding about "gods".

 

[Exegete12]

I have a friend that is a minister - she says that because we have Jesus within us that we are small gods (small g) I have a hard time with this one - I feel that who am I to even think I am a small god (small g) - but is this what this verse means? Is she right?

I am just wondering if there is more of a mystery here that we don't know about. As the angels that fell, fell because they became jealous of man, although created a little lower than the angels, but something more was in store for them.
Also when we reign with Christ we will be co-heirs with Christ. Is this what Jesus was referring to? Knowing our place in heaven before the foundation of the world. I don't intend to raise any blasphemous thoughts, but maybe Jesus sees us higher than what we see ourselves? Thoughts? I am looking at ourselves as being redeemed, the manifested sons of God, the little-Christs (which is technically what we are meant to be).

You know Jesus could not really tell the Jews who He really was, because the time had not yet come, and then they started to cotton on that He was the Christ, and then Jesus knew He then had to tell them. I am just wondering if there are any parallel thoughts regarding the bride of Christ, and as we know what she is to become, can we not walk in that victory and honour now? And you know many of us don't.

OR is the time not ready yet for Christians to realise their rightful place next to Christ??? Please I do not wish to sound blasphemous, as I said, there's no way I would suggest we were gods, but the bride of Christ, the one who has made herself ready, metaphysically she will reign with Christ as His co-heir, being not equal to God, but part of God, through Christ. OR am I just touching on stuff way too over my head, in mysteries that have not yet been revealed, or have been revealed but the time is not yet right. Remember the Jews wanted to take up stones to kill Jesus for blasphemy and that's when He quotes that verse to them.

 

[sherri]

I am just wondering if there is more of a mystery here that we don't know about. As the angels that fell, fell because they became jealous of man, although created a little lower than the angels, but something more was in store for them.

And just to make it more confusing - that verse correctly translated from the original (and it is in some bibles) says we were created a little lower then God, not the angels.

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

We are already co-reigning in Christ, it's not in the future.

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus.
Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Christ;
Eph 1:4 according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Eph 1:5 having predestined us to the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, in which He has made us accepted in the One having been loved.


Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us
Eph 2:5 (even when we were dead in sins) has made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),
Eph 2:6 and has raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

 

[enoch son]

We are already co-reigning in Christ, it's not in the future.

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus.
Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Christ;
Eph 1:4 according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Eph 1:5 having predestined us to the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, in which He has made us accepted in the One having been loved.


Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us
Eph 2:5 (even when we were dead in sins) has made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),
Eph 2:6 and has raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Amen sister! We came from God's being and we are in God's being and will return to God's being. So would some one please tell me when did we leave God and became something other then a part of God? The ver. in question was written after the fall of Adam. Hello in there is anybody home?

 

[christianmomof3]

I have a friend that is a minister - she says that because we have Jesus within us that we are small gods (small g) I have a hard time with this one - I feel that who am I to even think I am a small god (small g) - but is this what this verse means? Is she right?

We are not gods or God, but, we have Him in us as our life. We are the Body and He is the head. We share His life, but not His authority.

 

[TreeOfLife]

Where does scripture say that the angels fell because they were jealous of man?!

 

[TreeOfLife]

The devil fell because of his trading, at least that what scripture says.

If it weren't important, I would not point it out.

 

[Exegete12]

Where does scripture say that the angels fell because they were jealous of man?!

Hi,
I am referring to, is it one third of the angels that fell?, not Lucifer in this instance.
Thanks

 

[Exegete12]

We are not gods or God, but, we have Him in us as our life. We are the Body and He is the head. We share His life, but not His authority.

Yes, I know we are not GOD, but Jesus Himself declared 'are you not gods". What was He referring to ... really the judges .... but we too will reign with Christ.
We have also been given that authority in His Name (and none other). As scriptures say we have authority but only in HIS NAME.

Now, what I want to know, if we were created before the foundations of the earth, does that mean metaphysically we once were already in heaven? but just now are born as humans setting in motion the purposes of God on this earth, before we return to our rightful place. I am taking Jesus Christ the Son of Man as our example here, for while on earth, He would receive revelation to His real eternal status and gradually declare that to mankind when they were ready for this revealing.

Like the manifestation of the sons of God ... and the latter rain ... well what is the stimulus to put this into action. As, without being too judgemental, most Christians are not living in that spiritual realm of victory or it is only looked at with the pastors, and evangelists, etc. But the Holy Spirit was for ALL believers.

And also could it be we have an eternal existence prior to this earlthy body now .... having being created before the foundations of the earth ... or is it just metaphorically that God had already thought of us in His mind?

As if we really realise this, can we not start doing exploits for our God while on this earth? Just as the bible says about those who will do exploits. Sorry but I will need some more time to actually find these bible references I am talking about, but I think it is in the book of Daniel, which says them that know their God will do exploits. And I assume we are talking about the supernatural here?

Many thanks, but often times these questions are not raised because people fear saying them, but it is so very interesting because to me it is the mystery that St Paul said had been revealed to us. This dispensation of Grace, and the 10 virgins with the oil, and only 5 made sure they had enough. What saith the Spirit? What's holding us back from revealing the glory of God? Or do we remain under our own insignificance because of fear of being thought proud, and our own sinfulness, but if only we realise it is Christ's righteouness that God sees on us now, because of the blood of Jesus shed once and for all, that we might be more willing to step out in faith knowing we are co-heirs with Christ.

I know people will come back to me quoting verses, which I agree, but it's not quite hitting the message ... i.e. where are YOUR exploits, in fact where are mine?

 

[TreeOfLife]

Hi,
I am referring to, is it one third of the angels that fell?, not Lucifer in this instance.
Thanks

No, you stated a reason for them falling and I requested scripture for it. So, once again, please provide scripture that states that one third of the angels fell BECAUSE they were jealious of mankind. Thanks.

 

[christianmomof3]

Yes, I know we are not GOD, but Jesus Himself declared 'are you not gods". What was He referring to ... really the judges .... but we too will reign with Christ.
We have also been given that authority in His Name (and none other). As scriptures say we have authority but only in HIS NAME.

Now, what I want to know, if we were created before the foundations of the earth, does that mean metaphysically we once were already in heaven? but just now are born as humans setting in motion the purposes of God on this earth, before we return to our rightful place. I am taking Jesus Christ the Son of Man as our example here, for while on earth, He would receive revelation to His real eternal status and gradually declare that to mankind when they were ready for this revealing.

Like the manifestation of the sons of God ... and the latter rain ... well what is the stimulus to put this into action. As, without being too judgemental, most Christians are not living in that spiritual realm of victory or it is only looked at with the pastors, and evangelists, etc. But the Holy Spirit was for ALL believers.

And also could it be we have an eternal existence prior to this earlthy body now .... having being created before the foundations of the earth ... or is it just metaphorically that God had already thought of us in His mind?

As if we really realise this, can we not start doing exploits for our God while on this earth? Just as the bible says about those who will do exploits. Sorry but I will need some more time to actually find these bible references I am talking about, but I think it is in the book of Daniel, which says them that know their God will do exploits. And I assume we are talking about the supernatural here?

Many thanks, but often times these questions are not raised because people fear saying them, but it is so very interesting because to me it is the mystery that St Paul said had been revealed to us. This dispensation of Grace, and the 10 virgins with the oil, and only 5 made sure they had enough. What saith the Spirit? What's holding us back from revealing the glory of God? Or do we remain under our own insignificance because of fear of being thought proud, and our own sinfulness, but if only we realise it is Christ's righteouness that God sees on us now, because of the blood of Jesus shed once and for all, that we might be more willing to step out in faith knowing we are co-heirs with Christ.

I know people will come back to me quoting verses, which I agree, but it's not quite hitting the message ... i.e. where are YOUR exploits, in fact where are mine?

You have some interesting questions. I am not sure what you mean by exploits or supernatural actions, so I would have to see which verses you are referring to.

I do not think that we existed before being born as in floating around in heaven waiting to be born - the Mormons believe that, but I don't think it is accurate. I think it is more like you said that we existed in the mind of God perhaps.

I think the mystery that Paul revealed to us is Christ in us the hope of glory.
It is really incredible that Christ Himself is in us. I think that many Christians miss this point. They think the purpose of their Christian living is to be a good person and think about what Jesus would do and try to live like that. But, that is not God's purpose for us.
He has put Christ Himself within us when we are born again.
He wants to express Himself through us.
2 Cor 13:5 says ... Jesus Christ is in you..., Romans 8:9.. the Spirit of God dwells in you, 10... Christ is in you...11... the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you...Eph 4:6...one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. John 17:11 Holy Father, keep them in Your name, which you have given to Me, that they may be one even as We are.
What the Bible shows us is that God desires to be the God in us.
He wants to express Himself through us.
We personally in and of ourselves cannot perform miracles or do anything supernatural nor should we try to or want to.
But, we have Christ in us and He can work through us if we allow Him to. But, we cannot tell Him what to do, nor should we go around trying to do supernatural stuff and asking Him to do that through us.
We should simply pray, read the Bible, give our entire beings to the Lord and allow Him to do what He wills to do with us and through us and in us.

In the parable about the 10 virgins, the oil represents the Spirit of God. The lamp represents their human spirits where God dwells and the vessel is their human souls. When we are born again, we gain God in our spirit - our lamp. But, we have to grow in His life and allow Him to grow in us by reading the Bible and praying and gathering together with other Christians and pursuing Christ in order for Him to be able to spread from our spirits to our souls so that we will have oil in our vessels.

 

[Exegete12]

Where does scripture say that the angels fell because they were jealous of man?!

This is an assumption I have made, I clearly did not say it was scriptural.
The assumption is an opinion from another thread, where Kaching was talking about the Book of Enoch. Now from memory it was mentioned in that Book. I do not count this book as being inspired, however, I think there may be valid comments in there. I will have to source that thread, but unfortunately cannot connect my homepage to show my list of threads to find what forum I was on.

 

[Exegete12]

....We personally in and of ourselves cannot perform miracles or do anything supernatural nor should we try to or want to.....

Correct, we cannot perform any miracle unless the Spirit of Christ does so within us.

However I disagree with your last comments ... do anything supernatural nor should we try to or want to ... ?

Why not?
Are we not to show the power of God:
The kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power – 1 Cor 4: 20.
If we are given the opportunity to heal someone, raise them from the dead, then Christ has given us the authority to do so, and the gumption as His vessel. He has given us the intiative, that His Name can be glorified.

To annul this part of the gospel is to annul the power of the Kingdom of God. Why downplay it ... where in the scripture does it say 'nor should we try to or want to'?

 

[christianmomof3]

Correct, we cannot perform any miracle unless the Spirit of Christ does so within us.

However I disagree with your last comments ... do anything supernatural nor should we try to or want to ... ?

Why not?
Are we not to show the power of God:
The kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power – 1 Cor 4: 20.
If we are given the opportunity to heal someone, raise them from the dead, then Christ has given us the authority to do so, and the gumption as His vessel. He has given us the intiative, that His Name can be glorified.

To annul this part of the gospel is to annul the power of the Kingdom of God. Why downplay it ... where in the scripture does it say 'nor should we try to or want to'?

It is God's power, not ours. In and of ourselves we should not try to or want to perform supernatural things. We should give ourselves and all things to the Lord. If the Lord wants to do a work of power through us then He will, but doing works of power is not something we should seek out. If that is the case we are seeking a thing and not the Lord. We should be those who are seeking the Lord and seeking His will.

 

[Atlantians]

I have a friend that is a minister - she says that because we have Jesus within us that we are small gods (small g) I have a hard time with this one - I feel that who am I to even think I am a small god (small g) - but is this what this verse means? Is she right?

Be alert: that is a very dangerous, possibly false and heretical doctrine that he teaches.

We are nothing without God's will, we most certainly are not gods, big or small g.

Saying "gods, but with a small 'g' instead of a big one."
Is just dumb.
The word 'god' is the same nomatter its capitolization. It is only capitolized because it signifies a place of authority and a name.
The word means the same.

We are mearly creations, we are not gods.

When God says "you are gods" he is not saying it in the sense that there is more than one God, God himself said there wasn't, and if we are all little gods then God would be a liar, and He is not rather He is the way the truth and the life.
He is God.

What He means is not that peope are devine, but rather when we are in authority we act as if we have the authority of divinity.
He means it sarcastically: "Oh you act like gods!"
It is a sarcastic statement to mock the pride of some who would pompously use their authority in a way as if to make them look better than they are.

 

[TreeOfLife]

Be alert: that is a very dangerous, possibly false and heretical doctrine that he teaches.

We are nothing without God's will, we most certainly are not gods, big or small g.

Saying "gods, but with a small 'g' instead of a big one."
Is just dumb.
The word 'god' is the same nomatter its capitolization. It is only capitolized because it signifies a place of authority and a name.
The word means the same.

We are mearly creations, we are not gods.

It would be horrifying to let ourselves lay down in the trusting of God wouldn't it?

A god we can understand, is no god at all, but just our own mind. Nothing more.

Remember this.

My God is definately bigger than your mind, or mine.

Go!