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Was Bible possesion banned by the Catholic Church

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The Catholic Church actually tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. Many try to deny it, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look.

1) Pope Innocent III stated in 1199:

... to be reproved are those who translate into French the Gospels, the letters of Paul, the psalter, etc. They are moved by a certain love of Scripture in order to explain them clandestinely and to preach them to one another. The mysteries of the faith are not to explained rashly to anyone. Usually in fact, they cannot be understood by everyone but only by those who are qualified to understand them with informed intelligence. The depth of the divine Scriptures is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding them, but also the educated and the gifted (Denzinger-Schönmetzer, Enchiridion Symbolorum 770-771)

Source: Bridging the Gap - Lectio Divina, Religious Education, and the Have-not's by Father John Belmonte, S.J.

2) COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.

The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:

Canon 1. We appoint, therefore, that the archbishops and bishops shall swear in one priest, and two or three laymen of good report, or more if they think fit, in every parish, both in and out of cities, who shall diligently, faithfully, and frequently seek out the heretics in those parishes, by searching all houses and subterranean chambers which lie under suspicion. And looking out for appendages or outbuildings, in the roofs themselves, or any other kind of hiding places, all which we direct to be destroyed.

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books. (Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Scolar Press, London, England pp. 194-195)

Some may doubt that there even was a Church Council in Toulouse France in 1229, so lets check.

After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse of Sacred Scripture on the part of the Cathari: "prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti laicis permittatur habere" (Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875). Source: The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia

... the Council of Toulouse (1229) entrusted the Inquisition, which soon passed into the hands of the Dominicans (1233), with the repression of Albigensianism. (Source: The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia)

1229 - The Inquisition of Toulouse imposed by Albigensian Crusaders forbids laymen to read the Bible. (Source: The People's Chronology.)

3) The Church Council of Tarragona of 1234 AD:

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion."(Source: D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France (1910) p.14.)

4) John Wycliffe

John Wycliffe was the very first to translate the entire Bible into English, which he completed in 1382. Wycliffe translated from the Latin Vulgate. One copy of an original manuscript is in the Bodlein Library in Oxford, England. Wycliffe's Bibles were painstakingly reproduced by hand by copyists.

In 1408 the third synod of Oxford, England, banned unauthorized English translations of the Bible and decreed that possession of English translation's had to be approved by diocesan authorities. The Oxford council declared:

"It is dangerous, as St. Jerome declares, to translate the text of Holy Scriptures out of one idiom into another, since it is not easy in translations to preserve exactly the same meaning in all things. We therefore command and ordain that henceforth no one translate the text of Holy Scripture into English or any other language as a book, booklet, or tract, of this kind lately made in the time of the said John Wyclif or since, or that hereafter may be made, either in part or wholly, either publicly or privately, under pain of excommunication, until such translation shall have been approved and allowed by the Provincial Council. He who shall act otherwise let him be punished as an abettor of heresy and error."(Source: The Western Watchman "The Word of God", The English Bible Before the Reformation, page 7.)

At the ecumenical Council of Constance, in 1415, Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury, as "that pestilent wretch of damnable heresy who invented a new translation of the scriptures in his mother tongue." By the decree of the Council, more that 40 years after his death, Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift river.

5) William Tyndale
William Tyndale completed a translation of the New Testament from the Greek in 1525, which the church authorities in England tried their best to confiscate and burn. After issuing a revised edition in 1535, he was arrested, spent over a year in jail, and was then strangled and burned at the stake near Brussels in October 6th, 1536. It is estimated today that some 90 percent of the New Testament in the 1611 King James Bible is the work of Tyndale. Tyndale was unable to complete his translation of the Old Testament before his death.

6) Prohibited lists of Books

In an attempt to combat the swiftly rising tide of Protestantism, the Catholic Church began maintaining lists of the prohibited books which were to be confiscated. We find on one of the lists it included:

The Revelation of AntiChrist
An exposition into the VII chapter of the Corinthians.
A disputation of purgatory, made by John Frythe.
The first book of Moses, called Genesis.
A prologue in the second book of Moses, called Exodus.
A prologue in the third book of Moses, called Leviticus.
A prologue in the fourth book of Moses, called Numeri.
A prologue in the fifth book of Moses, called Deuteronomy.
The New Testament in English, with an introduction to the epistle to the Romans.
Jonas in English.
A book made by Friar Reye against the Seven Sacraments.

Calendar of State Papers V, 18. (Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand, copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row, Inc., Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480, page 473.)

Seems as if there is much strong evidence showing that Bible possession was banned by the Catholic Church, and there is more....Catholicism's SHOCKING attitude toward the Bible!
 

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7) The Bible prohibited by INDEX LIBRORUM PROHIBITORUM

Pope Pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled and officially prohibited them in the Index of Trent (Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559. This is an excerpt:


Rule I

All books which were condemned prior to 1515 by popes or ecumenical councils, and are not listed in this Index, are to stand condemned in the original fashion.

Rule II

Books of arch-heretics - those who after 1515 have invented or incited heresy or who have been or still are heads and leaders of heretics, such as Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Hubmaier, Schwenckfeld, and the like — whatever their name, title or argumentation — are prohibited without exception. As far as other heretics are concerned, only those books are condemned without exception which deal ex professo with religion. Others will be permitted after Catholic theologians have examined and approved them by the order of bishops and inquisitors. Likewise, Catholic books written by those who subsequently fell into heresy or by those who after their lapse returned into the bosom of the Church can be permitted after approval by a theological faculty or the inquisition.

Rule III

Translations of older works, including the church fathers, made by condemned authors, are permitted if they contain nothing against sound doctrine. However, translations of books of the Old Testament may be allowed by the judgment of bishops for the use of learned and pious men only. These translations are to elucidate the Vulgate so that Sacred Scripture can be understood, but they are not to be considered as a sacred text. Translations of the New Testament made by authors of the first sections in this Index are not to be used at all, since too little usefulness and too much danger attends such reading.

Rule IV

Since experience teaches that, if the reading of the Holy Bible in the vernacular is permitted generally without discrimination, more damage than advantage will result because of the boldness of men, the judgment of bishops and inquisitors is to serve as guide in this regard. Bishops and inquisitors may, in accord with the counsel of the local priest and confessor, allow Catholic translations of the Bible to be read by those of whom they realize that such reading will not lead to the detriment but to the increase of faith and piety. The permission is to be given in writing. Whoever reads or has such a translation in his possession without this permission cannot be absolved from his sins until he has turned in these Bibles ...

Rule VI

Books in the vernacular dealing with the controversies between Catholics and the heretics of our time are not to be generally permitted, but are to be handled in the same way as Bible translations. ...

Die Indices Librorum Prohibitorum des sechzehnten
Jahrhunderts (Tübingen, 1886), page 246f. Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand, copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row, Inc., Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480, pages 474, 475.

8) POPE LEO XII condemns Bible being spread

From the Encyclical UBI PRIMUM of POPE LEO XII, MAY 5, 1824:


17. You have noticed a society, commonly called the Bible society, boldly spreading throughout the whole world. Rejecting the traditions of the holy Fathers and infringing the well-known decree of the Council of Trent,[16] it works by every means to have the holy Bible translated, or rather mistranslated, into the ordinary languages of every nation. There are good reasons for fear that (as has already happened in some of their commentaries and in other respects by a distorted interpretation of Christ's gospel) they will produce a gospel of men, or what is worse, a gospel of the devil![17]

18. To prevent this evil, Our predecessors published many constitutions. Most recently Pius VII wrote two briefs, one to Ignatius, Archbishop of Gniezno, the other to Stanislaus, Archbishop of Mohileu, quoting carefully and wisely many passages from the sacred writings and from the tradition to show how harmful to faith and morals this wretched undertaking is.

19. In virtue of Our apostolic office, We too exhort you to try every means of keeping your flock from those deadly pastures. Do everything possible to see that the faithful observe strictly the rules of our Congregation of the Index. Convince them that to allow holy Bibles in the ordinary language, wholesale and without distinction, would on account of human rashness cause more harm than good.

9) POPE GREGORY XVI condemns Bible possession, public reading of Bibles, and Bible Societies

From the encyclical INTER PRAECIPUAS (On Biblical Societies) by Pope Gregory XVI, May 8, 1844:


1. Among the special schemes with which non-Catholics plot against the adherents of Catholic truth to turn their minds away from the faith, the biblical societies are prominent. They were first established in England and have spread far and wide so that We now see them as an army on the march, conspiring to publish in great numbers copies of the books of divine Scripture. These are translated into all kinds of vernacular languages for dissemination without discrimination among both Christians and infidels. Then the biblical societies invite everyone to read them unguided. Therefore it is just as Jerome complained in his day: they make the art of understanding the Scriptures without a teacher" common to babbling old women and crazy old men and verbose sophists," and to anyone who can read, no matter what his status. Indeed, what is even more absurd and almost unheard of, they do not exclude the common people of the infidels from sharing this kind of a knowledge.

4. Moreover, regarding the translation of the Bible into the vernacular, even many centuries ago bishops in various places have at times had to exercise greater vigilance when they became aware that such translations were being read in secret gatherings or were being distributed by heretics. Innocent III issued warnings concerning the secret gatherings of laymen and women, under the pretext of piety, for the reading of Scripture in the diocese of Metz.There was also a special prohibition of Scripture translations promulgated either in Gaul a little later or in Spain before the sixteenth century.

11. ... We again condemn all the above-mentioned biblical societies of which our predecessors disapproved. ... Besides We confirm and renew by Our apostolic authority the prescriptions listed and published long ago concerning the publication, dissemination, reading, and possession of vernacular translations of sacred Scriptures.

12. ... In particular, watch more carefully over those who are assigned to give public readings of holy scripture, so that they function diligently in their office within the comprehension of the audience; under no pretext whatsoever should they dare to explain and interpret the divine writings contrary to the tradition of the Fathers or the interpretation of the Catholic Church.


Notice what it says there at the end, "contrary to the tradition of the Fathers or the interpretation of the Catholic Church." So people were not free to possess, read or try to understand for themselves what the plain word of the Bible said? Amazing......
 
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And it doesn't stop........

10) POPE LEO XIII

From Leo XIII, Apostolic Constitution Officiorum ac Munerum, Jan. 25, 1897, art. 1., "Of the Prohibition of Books," chaps. 2,3, trans. in the Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII (New York: Benziger, 1903):

CHAPTER III.
Of Vernacular Versions of Holy Scripture.

7. As it has been clearly shown by experience that, if the Holy Bible in the vernacular is generally permitted without any distinction, more harm that utility is thereby [p. 413] caused, owing to human temerity: all versions in the vernacular, even by Catholics, are altogether prohibited, unless approved by the Holy See, or published, under the vigilant care of the bishops, with annotations taken from the Fathers of the Church and learned Catholic writers.

8. All versions of the Holy Bible, in any vernacular language, made by non-Catholics are prohibited; and especially those published by the Bible societies, which have been more that once condemned by the Roman Pontiffs, because in them the wise laws of the Church concerning the publication of the sacred books are entirely disregarded.


I think I am seeing a pattern here, the mere layman is to be kept from possessing, reading, spreading the Bible to others, or printing them as they could not possibly understand what is in Gods Word.....Is that really what they meant, can that be......
 
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An extraordinary decision is found in the records of the First Council of Constantinople of 381-3, convened by Roman Emperor Theodosius. What was decided at that assembly presents an historical fact, and involved Pope Damasus, who was in attendance. He was a man so stained with impiety and so notorious with women that he was called the Tickler of Matron's Ears.(Lives of the Popes, Mann, c. 1905) The historical record shows Pope Damasus banned the Bible and the laity was strictly "forbidden to read the word of God, or to exercise their judgment in order to understand it."(The Library of the Fathers, Damasus, Oxford, 1833-45)

After he suppressed the Bible, Damasus created an array of formidable penances and additional anathemas "designed to keep the curious at bay."Early Theological Writings, G. W. F. Hegal). The chief tendency of the priesthood was to keep the Bible away from people and substitute Church authority as the rule of life and belief.

Owning a Bible was actually made a criminal offence by the Cathokic church. In 860, Pope Nicholas I, sitting high on a throne built specially for the occasion in the town square, pronounced against all people who expressed interest in reading the Bible, and reaffirmed its banned public use (Papal Decree). In 1073, Pope Gregory supported and confirmed the ban, and in 1198, Pope Innocent III declared that anybody caught reading the Bible would be stoned to death by "soldiers of the Church military."(Diderot's Encyclopedia, 1759). In 1229, the Council of Toulouse, "to be spoken of with detestation", passed another Decree "that strictly prohibits laics from having in their possession either the Old or New Testaments; or from translating them into the vulgar tongue". By the 14th Century, possession of a Bible by the laity was a criminal offence and punishable by whipping, confiscation of real and personal property, and burning at the stake.

With the Bible banned from public scrutiny by a series of Decrees, popes endorsed the public suppression of the Bible for twelve hundred and thirty years, right up until after the Reformation and the printing of the King James Bible in 1611.


Here is an excerpt from author Bernard Starr on this issue:

'Since the Church sequestering their sanctioned Bible from the populace makes no sense, I was not surprised that some readers bristled when I recently wrote about the historic prohibitions against Christians reading the New Testament on their own, or worse, translating the Bible into a native language. One called me a liar. That too was not surprising. A few years earlier I gave a talk at an American Psychological Association meeting and afterwards lunched with a group of young Christians, some of whom also challenged my statements about the Bible prohibitions. I later sent them references documenting my claims, but never heard back from them. I've always wondered how they reacted to the citations I sent, which included:

Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): "We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."

Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned..."

Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to "...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ's sentence." For this "heresy" Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council's decree "Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River."

Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 C.E.: William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. According to Tyndale, the Church forbid owning or reading the Bible to control and restrict the teachings and to enhance their own power and importance....'Why Christians Were Denied Access to Their Bible for 1,000 Years | HuffPost

And here is a excerpt from "Vatican Archives Reveal Bible Was Once Banned Book" by Jude Webber:

'But the archives do contain some surprises.....alongside the Inquisition archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books, which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed that even the Bible was once on the blacklist. Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires along with other "heretical'' works because the Church, whose official language was Latin, was suspicious of allowing the faithful access to sacred texts without ecclesiastical guidance.

Protestants, who split from Roman Catholics during the Reformation in the 16th and 17th centuries, were allowed to read holy works directly. The Index of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating to it were officially abolished in 1966 [only 3 years prior to I becoming a Christian!]. The Inquisition itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233 as a special court to help curb the influence of heresy. It escalated as Church officials began to count on civil authorities to fine, imprison and even torture heretics. It reached its height in the 16th century to counter the Reformation. The department later became the Holy Office and its successor now is called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which controls the orthodoxy of Catholic teaching....'
 
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Wow, you apparently really hate Catholicism (and by extension Catholics). How many threads like this have you started?

Ricker, you know that the bible clearly lays out that the papacy is the antichrist, beast power. You also know that disdain for a system of false worship does not mean a hatred for the innocent people within the system.

Why you would post such an inflammatory statement is beyond me... :confused:
 
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Ricker, you know that the bible clearly lays out that the papacy is the antichrist, beast power. You also know that disdain for a system of false worship does not mean a hatred for the innocent people within the system.

Why you would post such an inflammatory statement is beyond me... :confused:

I'm not sure I am the one posting inflammatory statements. Perhaps these threads should be posted in the Catholic boards to enlighten the innocent people, instead of here where they may do nothing but inflame anti-Catholic sentiment.
 
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I'm not sure I am the one posting inflammatory statements. Perhaps these threads should be posted in the Catholic boards to enlighten the innocent people, instead of here where they may do nothing but inflame anti-Catholic sentiment.
That was sarcasm, right?
 
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... is there anything good about catholicism?

Of course, reading the bible by the masses was never a goal of the catholic church - otherwise people would leave that church in masses and thats not something to be desired :). Its the people where the money comes from - for any church that is. Now, if you are catholic and start reading the bible you cannot really remain catholic, can you? :)
 
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I'm not sure I am the one posting inflammatory statements. Perhaps these threads should be posted in the Catholic boards to enlighten the innocent people, instead of here where they may do nothing but inflame anti-Catholic sentiment.

I was just thinking. Anti-Catholic sentiment - what is this?
I mean, I dont have anything against catho lics - they are just people who were born and raised in a church and some of them stick to their belief and some dont really care a lot - this could probably be said about all people who are born into a system.

However, when we talk about the catholic system - we talk about the hirarchs - the rulers of that system - the evil that is within it.

We know what we know!

So, are we gonna be nice towards that system? Just because we do not want to offend people. Because we might think that by being diplomatic we might get somebody to convert? Was Jesus diplomatic?

I think we should say out loud what we think about it - and not fear to spread it. After all we speak the truth, arent we?

I see no problem in discussing and exposing things - be it catholic or adventist. Lets be true - if somethings good then its good - if its not then we expose it and tell the world about it.
 
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... is there anything good about catholicism?

Of course, reading the bible by the masses was never a goal of the catholic church - otherwise people would leave that church in masses and thats not something to be desired :). Its the people where the money comes from - for any church that is. Now, if you are catholic and start reading the bible you cannot really remain catholic, can you? :)
But keeping the Bible from the masses was their goal, that is the whole point, if not for the invention of the printing presses they may have succeeded....
 
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Of course, reading the bible by the masses was never a goal of the catholic church - otherwise people would leave that church in masses and thats not something to be desired :)
Well - I do not think it would work out that way.

Thousands of Calvinists read their bibles every day, but are not leaving Presbyterian and Reform churches in droves. Thousands (or millions) of protestants read their bible every day but still consider Sunday the Sabbath. (so are not leaving in droves for SDA or Messianic or other Seventh Day groups)

So I really don't think that just reading the bible would get that many people to leave the RCC.
 
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But keeping the Bible from the masses was their goal, that is the whole point, if not for the invention of the printing presses they may have succeeded....

Of course it was their goal - otherwise none would have listened to them. The whole point back in those dark times was to have power over the common people. So, if people were suffering or facing hardships due the social and economic systems which prevailed back in the day, priests would tell them they should go on with everything as is. Their reward was in heaven - which in fact is not entirely wrong - but still, the forces behind it were definitely evil.

And even to this day they still have their grip on people. Most people who stick to the catholic church dont know too much about the bible at all and just believe in what they have been told to believe. They shun from question it. And many of those who question it become atheists and lose any interest in faith.
 
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And what success might that be?
The tjcii group was invited by Pope Benedict to review a new catechism they were about to publish, when one of the leaders pointed out that the description of the relationship between the church and Israel was incorrect. It went back into review for re-working.

I know that leader. I do not think any details of this were ever put on the web, either by the RCC or tjcii.
 
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The tjcii group was invited by Pope Benedict to review a new catechism they were about to publish, when one of the leaders pointed out that the description of the relationship between the church and Israel was incorrect. It went back into review for re-working.

I know that leader. I do not think any details of this were ever put on the web, either by the RCC or tjcii.

Hmmm...

OK...

You know, the problem of the catholic church is that actually nothing really fits together. The whole picture is a mess. Now, even if you get one piece of the mosaic right, it doesnt really change anything. As a matter of fact, I dont even see a point for them to change anything. They are who they are and they are gonna be until the very end of this timeline. Theres nothing that can be done about it. - you can just enlighten ordinary people and thats it IMHO.

The catholic church was never Gods messenger - it was just an institution that was protecting evil - to put it mildly.
 
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As a matter of fact, I dont even see a point for them to change anything. They are who they are and they are gonna be until the very end of this timeline. Theres nothing that can be done about it.
O ye of little faith......
The catholic church was never Gods messenger - it was just an institution that was protecting evil - to put it mildly.
You will see - God is not done with the Catholics.
 
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O ye of little faith......

You will see - God is not done with the Catholics.

This has nothing to do with faith however little or big.

Its about identifying who they are.

What do you think God will do with the catholic church?
 
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