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I know someone who is a non-denominational Christian who is asking me about converting to Catholicism. He has told me he had a vasectomy years ago and that he knows the Church's view on birth control and what he should do. I'm not quite sure what to tell him? Go to confession and talk to your Priest once you have become a Catholic? Try and get a reversal? The problem is I don't think he wants a reversal. He believes all that the Church does except that issue. He strongly opposes abortion and that's a big reason he said he got the procedure in the first place, so there wouldn't be any "mistakes" as he put it. He says he can't afford to have children as he and his wife barely get by as it is. Any advice for him? I don't think he's going to change his mind on the birth control issue but he wants to be a Catholic and believes in everything but that subject.
 

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I know someone who is a non-denominational Christian who is asking me about converting to Catholicism. He has told me he had a vasectomy years ago and that he knows the Church's view on birth control and what he should do. I'm not quite sure what to tell him? Go to confession and talk to your Priest once you have become a Catholic? Try and get a reversal? The problem is I don't think he wants a reversal. He believes all that the Church does except that issue. He strongly opposes abortion and that's a big reason he said he got the procedure in the first place, so there wouldn't be any "mistakes" as he put it. He says he can't afford to have children as he and his wife barely get by as it is. Any advice for him? I don't think he's going to change his mind on the birth control issue but he wants to be a Catholic and believes in everything but that subject.
I think the best advice would be for him to talk to a priest. With more of a deeper understanding of the Church's view on why birth control is not moral, he may come to feel remorseful about it. Sometimes it just takes time. But, at this juncture, he needs more info and prayer, I would guess.

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Would a Priest likely recommend to try a reversal or just repent once and that's it? Like I said though, the repenting wouldn't be sincere as he isn't sorry he got it done. They can't afford a child and aren't willing to never have sex in their marriage. Maybe if he was to have a reversal and if she did in fact get pregnant they could consider adoption if they truly can't afford to keep the child?
 
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Would a Priest likely recommend to try a reversal or just repent once and that's it? Like I said though, the repenting wouldn't be sincere as he isn't sorry he got it done. They can't afford a child and aren't willing to never have sex in their marriage. Maybe if he was to have a reversal and if she did in fact get pregnant they could consider adoption if they truly can't afford to keep the child?
Doesn't he just need to have imperfect contrition if he goes to confession?
 
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Most likely, a priest would not require him to get a reversal.

Regardless, all he has to do is bring this up during his first confession before he gets confirmed. He will then be given absolution, along with all the other sins he did in his life, and he'll be washed anew.

"Go and sin no more..." Christ's words echo in this exact same scenario, and I would think that the priest would tell him the same thing.

However, as a friend, you should explain to him why it's wrong. Explain to him about NFP, or point him to the right resources. Give him Pope John Paul's writings on the subject.

Procreation and the value of human life was one of the things that really defined Karol Wojtyla's papacy...

But don't let one issue with doctrine ever keep you from coming home. A person should pray and continue to pray on those issues.
 
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I've never shared this with anyone so I'll do it now. I had a vasectomy two years ago--it was one of the biggest mistakes I ever made. First problem, I didn't consult with a priest before I did it--I consulted the internet because that was "easier" to do and I found a wealth of information "justifying" a vasectomy for the reason I was doing it.

My wife had two rough pregnancies. My son had major surgery within his first year of life and my daughter spent her first 10 days in ICU because her lungs weren't developed and couldn't breath on her own. They both have serious food allergies that could kill them if the wrong food is ingested. My boy is allergic to peanuts and my wife is allergic to eggs. Neither of us smoked, used drugs, etc. or have a history of food allergies. Both my son and I receive allergy shots for environmental allergies.

After my daughter was born, my wife's OB told her that she NOT have any more children because of these complications. He told her that another baby would not be healthy for her and he was concerned for a future child. He recommended she get her tubes tied. I believe that he was honestly concerned about all of this.

So I took up research and after reading, I was convinced that for legitimate health reasons, this would be okay. I wasn't rejecting the Church's teachings. I also knew that having tubes tied on a woman was tough on them afterwards so I researched a vasectomy. I stepped forward and told my wife I would get a vasectomy so she wouldn't have to go through anything.

I honestly felt I was doing the right thing and was okay with this. So I got it done (it'll be two years ago this coming May). After I got it done, I started to feel guilty. And I read more and more and more. I was starting to feel what I had done was a sin because I what I had done doubted God's power to take care of us. I had mutilated my body.

About six months to a year after I had the vasectomy, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my sin. I went to Confession. It's one of two times I've broke down and cried in the confessional. I was scared that I would be judged harshly by the priest, God wouldn't forgive me, etc.

I was reminded that I was a layman and not a theologian and I should've consulted a priest first. I was reminded that a doctor is not a priest. I made an Act of Contrition, was given penance (which I promptly and prayerfully did) and was absolved of my sins. Reversals are expensive and the priest knew that. If someday I could ever afford one, he said I could check into it but that it's not necessary to get one. I had repented and was sincerely sorry.

My son is approaching six and my daughter is 2+. I really miss the days when my son was a baby and toddler. I honestly long for another child. I'm missing out because I doubted God. However, a vasectomy is only 99% effective. As small as a 1% chance sounds, with God, nothing is impossible.
 
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Jukes,

Awesome post. I'm in the same boat as you. Had it done about 13-14 years ago, for medical reasons related to my wife. But I wasn't exactly a "practicing Catholic" at the time, if you know what I mean. A few years later, when I began taking my faith seriously, I was overcome with guilt and grief. I took it to the Lord in sacramental confession. All these years later, I've still never been able to afford to have it reversed. I still may someday ... if we can ever afford it ... even though we're getting pretty old to be having more kids (I'm 43; my wife is 42) and pregnancy would still be very dangerous for my wife.
 
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Skripper said:
Jukes,

Awesome post. I'm in the same boat as you. Had it done about 13-14 years ago, for medical reasons related to my wife. But I wasn't exactly a "practicing Catholic" at the time, if you know what I mean. A few years later, when I began taking my faith seriously, I was overcome with guilt and grief. I took it to the Lord in sacramental confession. All these years later, I've still never been able to afford to have it reversed. I still may someday ... if we can ever afford it ... even though we're getting pretty old to be having more kids (I'm 43; my wife is 42) and pregnancy would still be very dangerous for my wife.
Thanks, geo.....Skrip, I'm saving for my kids' college now so getting a reversal may not happen. But if I can ever afford to, I'll get it done. Wanna know what the weird thing is? Insurance will pay for a vasectomy but not a reversal.
 
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jukesk9 said:
I've never shared this with anyone so I'll do it now. I had a vasectomy two years ago--it was one of the biggest mistakes I ever made. First problem, I didn't consult with a priest before I did it--I consulted the internet because that was "easier" to do and I found a wealth of information "justifying" a vasectomy for the reason I was doing it.

My wife had two rough pregnancies. My son had major surgery within his first year of life and my daughter spent her first 10 days in ICU because her lungs weren't developed and couldn't breath on her own. They both have serious food allergies that could kill them if the wrong food is ingested. My boy is allergic to peanuts and my wife is allergic to eggs. Neither of us smoked, used drugs, etc. or have a history of food allergies. Both my son and I receive allergy shots for environmental allergies.

After my daughter was born, my wife's OB told her that she NOT have any more children because of these complications. He told her that another baby would not be healthy for her and he was concerned for a future child. He recommended she get her tubes tied. I believe that he was honestly concerned about all of this.

So I took up research and after reading, I was convinced that for legitimate health reasons, this would be okay. I wasn't rejecting the Church's teachings. I also knew that having tubes tied on a woman was tough on them afterwards so I researched a vasectomy. I stepped forward and told my wife I would get a vasectomy so she wouldn't have to go through anything.

I honestly felt I was doing the right thing and was okay with this. So I got it done (it'll be two years ago this coming May). After I got it done, I started to feel guilty. And I read more and more and more. I was starting to feel what I had done was a sin because I what I had done doubted God's power to take care of us. I had mutilated my body.

About six months to a year after I had the vasectomy, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my sin. I went to Confession. It's one of two times I've broke down and cried in the confessional. I was scared that I would be judged harshly by the priest, God wouldn't forgive me, etc.

I was reminded that I was a layman and not a theologian and I should've consulted a priest first. I was reminded that a doctor is not a priest. I made an Act of Contrition, was given penance (which I promptly and prayerfully did) and was absolved of my sins. Reversals are expensive and the priest knew that. If someday I could ever afford one, he said I could check into it but that it's not necessary to get one. I had repented and was sincerely sorry.

My son is approaching six and my daughter is 2+. I really miss the days when my son was a baby and toddler. I honestly long for another child. I'm missing out because I doubted God. However, a vasectomy is only 99% effective. As small as a 1% chance sounds, with God, nothing is impossible.
Juke,

God bless you for having the courage to share this.

I think it's worth repeating that in some intances, IT TAKES TIME for the person to come to repentance and become remorseful. Just because fingerprint's friend isn't now, doesn't mean that he won't be some day, with a deeper understanding of things.

Michelle
 
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Skripper said:
Jukes,

Awesome post. I'm in the same boat as you. Had it done about 13-14 years ago, for medical reasons related to my wife. But I wasn't exactly a "practicing Catholic" at the time, if you know what I mean. A few years later, when I began taking my faith seriously, I was overcome with guilt and grief. I took it to the Lord in sacramental confession. All these years later, I've still never been able to afford to have it reversed. I still may someday ... if we can ever afford it ... even though we're getting pretty old to be having more kids (I'm 43; my wife is 42) and pregnancy would still be very dangerous for my wife.
Skripper, I missed this first time around.. God bless you, too.

I bet there are lots of married men out there, Catholic men, condemning themselves over things like this. When you share your stories, it makes it easier for them to go to confession.

Michelle
 
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I don't understand here- surely it is wrong for men who have had a Vasectomy to have sex with their wives- That's a contraceptive isn't it.

A priest can't forgive a man for the Vasectomyif he is still having sex with his wife

sure, he can forgive him for having it done- but he can't forgive him for the use of contraceptives if he is still having sex with his wife.

I mean the Vasectomy in itself is bad, but not that bad. The having sex after having the Vasectomy is surely worse.
 
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Markh said:
I don't understand here- surely it is wrong for men who have had a Vasectomy to have sex with their wives- That's a contraceptive isn't it.

A priest can't forgive a man for the Vasectomyif he is still having sex with his wife

sure, he can forgive him for having it done- but he can't forgive him for the use of contraceptives if he is still having sex with his wife.

I mean the Vasectomy in itself is bad, but not that bad. The having sex after having the Vasectomy is surely worse.

No it isn’t hard to understand. It is the mentality that a person has that makes them contracept , not the circumstance or the situation. David and Jukes no longer, sincerely have the mentality that they wish to closed themselves off to life. Therefor they commit no sin.
 
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Guys - thank you for sharing your personal experiences-- your courage will hopefully help others to see the great pain that can come from misuse of our bodies.

There are lots of babies out there needing to be adopted!! And also food allergies, and other medical issues for children and mothers-- is absolutely considered grave reason! Just to any who might be reading this thread-- the Church's position is not that one must keeping having babies- but allows for grave reasons such as those presented for a couple to avoid pregnancy....

I just wonder why exactly the man mentioned in the OP thinks they can't afford a baby... we make under $25,000 a year and have three children right now....I think it is more a matter of asking for God's help in the wealth needed to provide for your children-- I always remember "God will not be outdone in generosity."
 
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Shelb5 said:
Maybe this would be a good thread to break the news. I’m going to have another one, due Aug 31. I'm supposed to be high risk because of all the C-sections, but we'll see. Haven't had any problems yet.
I was just getting ready to log off but I am so glad that I saw this...congrats Michelle to you and your family!! :clap:

You've withheld the news for a long time. Shame on you. :)


Michelle
 
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