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Trump scrapped a proposed $2 drug program for seniors. But why?

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"As President Donald Trump entered office this week, one of his first major policy moves on healthcare was to roll back a Biden administration executive order aimed at lowering prescription drug prices. In doing so, he appears to have scrapped a below-the-radar federal effort to make more generic drugs available to Medicare patients for just $2 a prescription...." "...In late 2022, former President Biden signed an executive order urging federal healthcare regulators to devise new payment models for Medicare and Medicaid that would help lower prescription costs. The move was meant to build on the recent passage of the Inflation Reduction Act, which, for the first time, allowed Medicare to negotiate with manufacturers on drug prices.
In response, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation proposed a handful of potential projects, one of which would have invited Medicare prescription drug plans to voluntarily offer a standardized list of frequently used generic drugs with a $2 co-pay, making costs easier to predict for doctors and patients. The idea was borrowed partly from large pharmacy chains such as Walmart, which offers customers a straightforward $4 drug list." --Yahoo finance
Keep in mind, this program, as well as the program Biden crafted where medicare now has the ability to negotiate drug pricing, directly correlates to the cost of premiums those on Medicare have to pay. And btw, if the GOP has their way, they would kill that too. "GOP senators introduce bill to stop Medicare from negotiating lower drug prices." So it's a potential double whammy.

So, as for the "but why?" question from the articles title. This: "Pfizer executives descend on Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago for planning meeting." That was 2 weeks ago. The killing of any attempts to lower deductibles happened 3 days after his inauguration. Notice there are NO pledges to lower prescription costs, which he failed to do, this Trump go around. And no, kind of like Trump freezing federal funds but blaming it on a computer outage, there are no coincidences with this admin. Welcome to the oligarchs, USA style.
 

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I heard he's going to eliminate Medicare altogether so this seems like pretty small beans in his overall purely evil in every aspect imaginable agenda to make everyone except rich white men languish in suffering.
 
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I heard he's going to eliminate Medicare altogether so this seems like pretty small beans in his overall purely evil in every aspect imaginable agenda to make everyone except rich white men languish in suffering.
To be fair, I don't think Trump's largess and preference is limited to rich white men. Any sufficiently rich person seems welcome.

-- A2SG, just tryin' to be fair....
 
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President Donald Trump rescinded an executive order issued by former President Joe Biden aimed at finding new models for lowering drug costs. Trump’s action didn’t affect the caps on seniors’ drug costs or Medicare price negotiations that Biden signed into law. But social media posts have wrongly claimed otherwise.

Is this what's being discussed?


With regards to rolling back Biden actions on this, there a few different ways to look at it, and it's messy because objecting to some of the provisions can come from both a place of prudence, or it can come people a place of nefarious "protect the donors" selfishness.

One idea was to create a list, referred to as the “$2 drug model,” which would give beneficiaries access to a set of low-cost generic drugs for common conditions at a flat copay of $2 available through Medicare Part B plans. “The idea was basically to encourage more utilization of these lower-cost medications,” Cubanski said.

A second model was “designed to facilitate greater access through Medicaid programs to expensive cell and gene therapies” through multistate purchasing agreements, Cubanski said. “They are right now really difficult to purchase on an individual need because of the expense of these medications.”

The third model was called the “accelerating clinical evidence model. It was engineered I think to encourage pharmaceutical companies who had had their drugs approved by the FDA … to move more quickly through the confirmatory clinical trials that are needed in order to get full approval from the FDA,” Cubanski explained. The accelerated approvals would make some drugs available to patients faster and at a lower price.


Speaking as someone who's not an elected official, and who doesn't receive a dime from (nor invest in any Pharma companies), I put the one in green that I thought was a really good idea, and the 2 in red that I have some potential concerns in (and that the concerns have nothing to do with profits)


That first item... whenever you hear of these "$X Drug plan" initiatives, those are often misleading and capitalizing on a certain level of public ignorance about pharmaceuticals.

People have been conditioned into thinking "generics are just as good as name brand" and "all generics are the same". That's actually not true.

Canada did a study on one particular class of drugs (blood pressure medication), and studied over 130,000 individuals taking those medications both 2 years before and 1 year after the generic was available and they switched to it.

As reported by Harvard who reviewed the study's findings:
They found that
A) The generic versions can have up to a 20% variation in the active ingredient (while that may not be a game changer for something like amoxicillin, that's certainly a problem for other common cardiovascular drugs, and especially mental health drugs)
B) The found that adverse reactions climbed up in comparison to when the patient had been on the name brand.

The researchers looked at the numbers of emergency room visits and hospitalizations for 136,177 individuals ages 66 and over (60% of them women) who used any of three blood pressure medications: losartan (U.S. brand name Cozaar), valsartan (Diovan), and candesartan (Atacand). They examined data for the periods 24 months before and 12 months after the generic versions of these medications went on the market.

In the month after each of the generics went into use, the rates of these adverse events went up: 10% for losartan, 12% for valsartan, and 14% for candesartan.


(it should also be noted that 10-15% of patients have to switch back to name brand after having problems - whether it be reactions - or failure of condition control -- that percentage even higher specifically among people on psychiatric medications where dosage is extremely critical)

So, these "$2 drug plan" approaches can be misleading... they can take a drug where the Official (®) name brand costs $80, a mid-range generic costs $18, and a bottom shelf generic costs $4, and then simply negotiate the bottom shelf one from $4 down to $2, encourage people to take the bottom shelf one, and then pitch it as if they saved everyone $78 with their plan.



For the third one, I think it goes without saying that cutting corners and trying to rush approvals is going to be something that ultimately won't sit well with people of either political stripe. Folks on the left certainly aren't going to be hugely keen on "deregulate to make something cheaper", and if covid vaccines were any indicator, many on the right didn't respond well to the "take this pharmaceutical product that was quickly rolled out"


As far as the "nefarious selfish" objections I alluded to...well that one is pretty straight-forward, this can cut into profits, and for many politicians, phrama donors are a big part of who's buttering their bread so to speak.
 
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Amazon, Apple, Chevron, Citigroup, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Google, Meta, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, the pharmaceutical lobby, Pfizer, Microsoft, and Coinbase are among those that have pumped money into Trump's inaugural fund, which has raked in a record-shattering $150 million since Election Day—and could bring in over $200 million by January 20.
 
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In doing so, he appears to have scrapped a below-the-radar federal effort to make more generic drugs available to Medicare patients for just $2 a prescription...
When it become more than appearance - let's talk
 
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When it become more than appearance - let's talk
OK, lets talk:
"One Biden effort overturned by Trump, for example, had directed Medicare to look at ways to lower drug costs, including whether to impose a $2 monthly out-of-pocket cap on certain generic drugs." --NBC News

I mean why would any president stop any movement to lower drug prices for Americans? Also, any thoughts on the GOP's effort to take away Medicare's ability to negotiate drug prices, just like every country does but the one called the United States of America?
 
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OK, lets talk:
"One Biden effort overturned by Trump, for example, had directed Medicare to look at ways to lower drug costs, including whether to impose a $2 monthly out-of-pocket cap on certain generic drugs." --NBC News
To look at - doesn't mean it was done.

When you have proof of it happening in real life - -
 
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I mean why would any president stop any movement to lower drug prices for Americans? Also, any thoughts on the GOP's effort to take away Medicare's ability to negotiate drug prices, just like every country does but the one called the United States of America?
Actual proof of this happening please - It has been less than a month - what bill has been introduced? Please link to the effort you allude to.

Thanks
 
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Actual proof of this happening please - It has been less than a month - what bill has been introduced? Please link to the effort you allude to.

Thanks
The link is in the OP. The bill to overturn Medicare's ability to negotiate drug prices already exists.
 
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Did you read that link?

By Oliver Willis - October 07, 2022

That's three years ago - how is Trump responsible for a bill put out three years ago?

Did the bill pass? Or are clutching at pearls not paying attention to the fact it has not happened?
Please.
Stop.
Slowdown and read what you are responding to.
This is what I said. "And btw, if the GOP has their way, they would kill that too". Then you asked, "Actual proof of this happening please". I provided that proof. It already happened. The bill didn't pass because the Dems controlled the Senate. I doubt if it even seen the floor. What you should take from this, if you slow down, is yes, the GOP does want to take away Medicare's ( aka U.S. citizens ) ability to negotiate drug pricing. Again, take away that ability that every other county but the one called the U.SofA has the ability to do. With the GOP now controlling the Senate and with a president who caters to the CEOs of pharmaceuticals rather than those who would benefit from lowering drug costs, then look out. After that Mar A Largo visit he already did them a solid.
 
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To be fair, I don't think Trump's largess and preference is limited to rich white men. Any sufficiently rich person seems welcome.

-- A2SG, just tryin' to be fair....
He’s cares about the American people- not just the rich.
 
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The bill didn't pass
So it is a nothing burger -

Trump supposedly scrapped a program that doesn't exist and it was opposed by the GOP who did not pass it.

Gotcha
 
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So it is a nothing burger -

Trump supposedly scrapped a program that doesn't exist and it was opposed by the GOP who did not pass it.

Gotcha
No, You're confused. Two different things. Again, slow down.
1) Trump 2025, scrapped a program committed to lowering drug prices after wining and dining with pharma CEOs. That happened.
2) The GOP 2022 want to get rid of Medicare's ability to negotiate drug prices. The crafted bill to reflect that right after Biden got it done.
 
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I heard he's going to eliminate Medicare altogether so this seems like pretty small beans in his overall purely evil in every aspect imaginable agenda to make everyone except rich white men languish in suffering.
I assume you're joking. But, Is Trump planning to do this, or is that the project 2025 idea? If Trump put into the system. It wouldn't be smart to take Medicare away. But you never know what influences Trump has.
 
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