Three creations

[davetaff]

Hi been thinking about this passage

Matthew 13:33 ESV
[33] He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”

Matthew 13:33 He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.” | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”

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Dose the three measures of flour represent the three creations from the beginning to the flood from Noah to Christ and from Christ to his second coming when we will have man in the image of God that is the multitude that Christ will present to the Father on the seventh ďay of creation.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Aaron112]

There appears to be no basis in or through Scripture nor any revelation from God of this way of thinking.
I think, but might be mis-remembering , that the same way of thinking was already debunked on the forum not too long ago.
I forget if the source was ever revealed.

 

[davetaff]

Hi Aaron thank you for your reply but how do you interpret the parable then we have

Galatians 6:15 ESV
[15] For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Galatians 6:15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

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2 Corinthians 5:17 ESV
[17] Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

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So if God begins a new creation in Christ what was the old creation it was the creation of Israel and before that the creation of the first Adam so we have three creations of man in the image of God we must define what man in the image of God looks like I say our best example is Israel Gods son the son and Father would look the same don't you think.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Hi so Gods purpose is to create mankind in his image it would take 6 days long each day 1000 years long but then we read he would create a new creation in Christ the trouble is there aren't enough days left so Christ tells us.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi so Gods purpose is to create mankind in his image it would take 6 days long each day 1000 years long but then we read he would create a new creation in Christ the trouble is there aren't enough days left so Christ tells us.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Love and Peace
Dave

God did create mankind in His image. Nothing I can think of in the bible suggests that He took 6 days, each 1000 years long, to do it. Every person when he or she is born again is said in the bible to be a new creation. I don't see Matthew 24:22 as teaching that there aren't enough days left. Where do you find such teaching? I certainly think it's adding to Scripture to say that the three measures of flour in the parable refers to three creations.

 

[davetaff]

God did create mankind in His image. Nothing I can think of in the bible suggests that He took 6 days, each 1000 years long, to do it. Every person when he or she is born again is said in the bible to be a new creation. I don't see Matthew 24:22 as teaching that there aren't enough days left. Where do you find such teaching? I certainly think it's adding to Scripture to say that the three measures of flour in the parable refers to three creations.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply but we are told in Gods word that a day with the Lord i a thousand years

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day

There are 6 days of the creation from Noah to the present day the only thing God needed to create was mankind in his image the notion that every man is the image of God is rubbish what about women.
Man in the image of God is the body of Christ who he presents to the father on his return a whole multitude of believers.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened

So how do you interpret this verse it seams to me if we read the surrounding verses it seams to be pointing to the return of Christ.

We read in Genesis that the creation will take 6 days how do you interpret the three measures of flour.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Hi David you said

God did create mankind in His image

Did he really then why was God the Father still working at the time of Christ the only thing he could be working with was the creation of man in his image.

God did not say make man in my image he said

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

He said in our image take note in our image meaning more than one which would mean the multitude that Christ will present to the Father

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David you said

God did create mankind in His image

Did he really then why was God the Father still working at the time of Christ the only thing he could be working with was the creation of man in his image.

God did not say make man in my image he said

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

He said in our image take note in our image meaning more than one which would mean the multitude that Christ will present to the Father

Love and Peace
Dave

I agree with what you said about God's words, "Let us create ..... in our image." However, we know that all humans are in God's image (though marred by sin) from the fact that God uses the fact the people are created in His image as the reason for murder being a sin:

“"Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.” (Ge 9:6 NKJV)

 

[davetaff]

Hi David
Thank you for your post we really need to define how the word man should be interpreted I say it should be mankind and I understand the Jews interpret that way as for

“"Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.” (Ge 9:6 NKJV)

This is applied to Israel and Christ two men in the image of God Israel kills Christ and Christ will kill Israel we must all die to be changed and enter the body of Christ.
As for all men to be in the image of God what you are saying is you and me can produce men in the image of God I don't think so consider Peters vision

Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

This is depicting all the gentiles non of which could possibly be said in the image of God

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your post we really need to define how the word man should be interpreted I say it should be mankind and I understand the Jews interpret that way as for

“"Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.” (Ge 9:6 NKJV)

This is applied to Israel and Christ two men in the image of God Israel kills Christ and Christ will kill Israel we must all die to be changed and enter the body of Christ.
As for all men to be in the image of God what you are saying is you and me can produce men in the image of God I don't think so consider Peters vision

Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

This is depicting all the gentiles non of which could possibly be said in the image of God

Love and Peace
Dave

Sorry but I don't agree that mankind in the image of God only applied to Israel and Jesus Christ. Genesis 9:6 which I quoted, giving the fact that mankind was made in the image of God as the reason that murder is wrong, is recording God's words to Noah, long before the nation of Israel existed.

 

[soldier of light]

Hi been thinking about this passage

Matthew 13:33 ESV
[33] He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”

Matthew 13:33 He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.” | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”

bible.com

Dose the three measures of flour represent the three creations from the beginning to the flood from Noah to Christ and from Christ to his second coming when we will have man in the image of God that is the multitude that Christ will present to the Father on the seventh ďay of creation.

Love and Peace
Dave

Interesting. These parables were on my mind yesterday. We had:

1) the fall in the garden
2) the flood
3) Armageddon

In my fallible opinion.

 

[davetaff]

Sorry but I don't agree that mankind in the image of God only applied to Israel and Jesus Christ. Genesis 9:6 which I quoted, giving the fact that mankind was made in the image of God as the reason that murder is wrong, is recording God's words to Noah, long before the nation of Israel existed.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply how do you interpret the following

Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

God here is telling Peter to go to the Gentiles and preach the Gospel so in Gods eyes the Gentiles were on a level with the beasts of the field so there is no way they could ever be in the image of God.

Then we have

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt

So Israel is Gods son and as such would be the image of his Father God

Love and Peace
Dave.

 

[davetaff]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply how do you interpret the following

Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

God here is telling Peter to go to the Gentiles and preach the Gospel so in Gods eyes the Gentiles were on a level with the beasts of the field so there is no way they could ever be in the image of God.

Then we have

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt

So Israel is Gods son and as such would be the image of his Father God

Love and Peace
Dave.

Hi considering the above scripture from Acts it seams humanity was created on day 5 and God saw them on a level with the beasts of the field.
It was then that God said let us make man in our image this cration would be the same as the creation of Israel he would choose one man as he chose Abraham and start his process of creation it would follow the same root as Israel this was the first Adam.

Love and peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Some scholars and theologians see it as representing different periods of human history,

Hi Eli1746
Thank you for your reply the yeast is likened to the word of God yes it is three stages of human history from the beginning to the flood from the flood to the coming of Christ from christs first advent to the resurrection these are the three measures of flour the yeast the word of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Hi Eli1746
Thank you for your post yes the flood was a big event God destroyed everything he had created except for Noah and everything on the ark the only thing missing was Adam he was dead so with everything on the ark God began a new creation the onlything he needed to create was man in his image which would be realised in Christ at his second coming he is the last Adam.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Science cannot verify that all human genetic diversity originated from Noah's family following the flood.

Hi Eli1746
Thank you for your reply but I think if you have to verify everything God says then it means you don't believe what God says we must believe Gods word not try to proove it.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Hi Eli1746
Thank you for your reply but I think if you have to verify everything God says then it means you don't believe what God says we must believe Gods word not try to proove it.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Eli1746
Do you realise how complicated the building blocks of life are far more complicated than we can understand but we are talking about the God who created them and made them work and there is still the last stage to complete the changing us to spiritual beings let us pray it will happen soon.

Love and Peace
Dave