Discussion The use of AI Technology with the Spiritual gifts

[ARBITER01]

Recently there has been a couple of threads in the Spiritual gifts section that advocated the use of AI technology into understanding certain Spiritual gifts. One thread advocated the use of this technology to try and understand what was being said by the gift of tongues, and another here popped up within the last week or so showing how a person was trying to train one of these programs to sort out what prophecies from people were true or not.

It seems that this has become a new distraction for the body of Christ, at least for some people, but as scripture says, Spiritual gifts require The Holy Spirit to discern them,....

1Co 2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but The Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which The Spirit teacheth; comparing Spiritual things with Spiritual.
1Co 2:14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of The Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are Spiritually discerned.

GOD has already provided the means into properly understanding Spiritual things from Him. GOD provided the gift of interpretation to understand the gift of tongues, and He has also provided the discerning of spirits gift to know what is being spoken by The Holy Spirit.

I would say this really amounts to people who are not filled with The Holy Spirit improperly trying to make sense of the Spiritual things from GOD, and in turn failing in the process because they are immature spiritually and not dedicated to scripture.

 

[WindySoli]

buddy you already tried to bully me and destroy my thread, and now you want to sift my attention and any traffic i generate as council and try an infiltrate it with this.
I'm not interested in your bait, mate.

You declared enough about your character to me already.
this will be the only post you see from me here.
*edit*
As the invariable bait comes as foreseen,
While the world stands in silence to see how the new guy handles you...
Let it be known, I said this would be the only post.
And I might add commentary as needed to counter-act the passive agressive destruction that sits beneath your vaneer of 'correction' for me, 'the new guy'.
As you so quaintly put it in the other thread, because I'm new around here (you can push me around)
But one...
I stand firm on the Rock, I'm not tossed around by people's slander and sudden assumptions.
And two, the passive aggressive nature of someone who claims to be the ultimate authority on thought itself, basically....

that's what your name means right?
you subtly insert a named avatar as literally,
The basic foundation of God Himself is...
You quietly claim that while running around His people,
'correcting them'
Using bait, apathy, and letting your emotional whims dictate when to poke 'the new guy' and I suspect this isn't change of character for you...
You have been subconsciously parading around as the ultimate answer to things rather than something that doesn't proclaim an aspect of God.
You laughed at me when I pointed out the obvious ton that is....

It's not funny tho.
I'm not here to be judged by those who don't even experience life with the gifts.
What say would they really have about how to use them or their fruit if all they ever do is accuse people or harass people,
Before their fruit is known. so let me post just two images here for you all before the man attempts to seed more of his weeds, that he willfully admitted in my thread he wants to pull me into.
You run around telling people your the ultimate person to settle disputes,
But you've just been caught trying to provoke a fight with the new guy.
That's not settling disputes,
And anyone who makes a judgement before any fruits are shown,
Is not an effective judge or ultimate authority on a matter.
It's all foolishness that you seek to waste time with.

So here is a fruit from my work the brothers would love to see... after the first image.

This guys upset with me because I wanted to find out what a man of God using his full energy and concentration on such a device as this Ai could do...
We now have a 'Translational Blur Index', because a recent biblical prophecy that finished this past month, (started in 2007) has highlighted the fact that the way the Niv translates things, leaves prophecy completely missed as it comes to pass, in those minds trained on those words.
it's bad enough people aren't able to pay attention through all the noise...
this ultimate judge is upset with me because i learned to use a computer to filter through all the noise that a typical human wants to, but is wholly unable to by the constraints in our system.
To that I say

Let him be bothered,
He has more to worry about as his image he is presenting before the One true righteous, and Ultimate authority.
Please refrain from posting in his bait thread, he's only trying to redirect traffic from mine to bully you into thinking this is evil.
I'm quite a christian of a number of decades now...
And gifted.
the thread his is attempting to disarm God in, is mine, easily found from my avatar from here.

That's the last of your b8 m8.
I kindly ask you again to stay in your lane, because gifts of the spirit and machine learning don't seem to be the ones you're experienced in enough to pose as my arbiter.

Good day.

 

[ARBITER01]

Gimmicks

It seems Christians nowadays are easily distracted with gimmicks (which amounts to a sign of the times).

The person that believed that their gift of tongues could be translated into human languages really didn't have much biblical understanding on the proper operation of their gift when I asked them about it. The real kicker to that situation was how a single tongues message could have "2" interpretations derived from it by The Holy Spirit. How would an AI program know when such a multiple thought scenario had been provided by The Holy Spirit?

It comes down to wasted time associated with gimmicks. Instead of investing their time with Jesus for holiness, they waste their time playing around with these material items instead of grounding themselves in scripture and relationship with Jesus.


How about the person that thinks AI can be trained to sift through so-called prophetic messages over the years, and then pin-point those people who are actually true prophets/prophetesses from said messages??

That sort of oddball situation is a real example of how a person can have seriously bad understanding of not just the gifts, but of how the ministries/offices actually work from Jesus.

There's not been a single person that I've ever seen pointed out on here by people that The Holy Spirit ever witnessed as a prophet. To be honest, there hasn't been a prophet in the body of Christ for a very long time. The reason I can say that is because of the example of Jesus. People knew Jesus was a prophet because of not just what The Holy Spirit would speak through Him, but of the examples of The Father's power operating through Him to heal people.

Jesus had a true ministry/office of a prophet that operated not just in words, but in demonstration of power. Jesus had a true anointing from The Father upon His head for such an office, these wannabe's that pop up on youtube here and there could only hope to have such an anointing in their life.

When a true prophet/prophetess is raised up by GOD in the body of Christ, everyone in the body is going to know it. We are not going to need AI to try and point it out to us.

 

[WindySoli]

stinking bait thread taking up my browser tab for my thread on this forum.....
This post was meant for mine that he's stealing attention from to prattle on at me for.
This original post can be found here

Employing Spiritual Gifts while training Ai has had some Startling Results.

I will add a wrinkle that you might consider when you are testing prophecy. It comes from a class I took from the late Pastor and prophet David Pawson. He suggested that prophecy can start out one way and end up another way. That especially one might start with the words of God, but then...

www.christianforums.com

 

[ARBITER01]

I kindly ask you again to stay in your lane, because gifts of the spirit and machine learning don't seem to be the ones you're experienced in enough to pose as my arbiter.

Good day.

A whole heap of words there in your post. You seem easily provoked.

I wanted to comment on the section in red. If you didn't notice, I'm an AOG Pentecostal, which means I'm in a denomination that currently operates in the gifts of The Spirit. Have done so regularly for over 30 some years.

I was talking about the gift of prophecy in my last post, well GOD has helped define this through me, and I'll post that definition,....



7. THE GIFT OF PROPHESYING

A. DEFINITION - The gift of prophesying is inspirational utterance in a known language which the one giving the utterance and the audience understands. The Hebrew word for prophecy means: "To flow forth or to spring forth." It also carries the same thought of bubbling forth like a fountain, or “To tumble forth." The Greek word for prophecy means to "speak for another." The term “prophecy” here can be easily misunderstood since it is used both generically in our bible as well as specifically. The definition provided here is for the “specific” gift of prophesying.

B. APPLICATION - The utterance of this gift can be discerned from three possible spiritual sources through a believer:

1) The Holy Spirit - The corporate ministry gift of prophesying is uttered by The Holy Spirit unto the assembly, and will always come in the limited framework of “Edification, Encouragement, and Comfort” as defined in 1Cor 14:3. These three attributes of this ministry will always be contained together in a message from The Holy Spirit, the crowning achievement being the Holy Spirit’s peace and comfort with the message. It is always given in the spirit of love to edify the assembly rather than condemn or tear it down. The message can be poetic, and elevated beyond the natural gift of speech, having a tangible Spiritual edification on the inside of the believer’s spirit during the message.

2) The human spirit - Prophesying that is uttered from the human spirit in the assembly is unable to edify and minister unto our spirit on the inside since it does not originate from The Holy Spirit. It can possibly be negative and critical, but mostly just dry of spiritual edification. It can also be presented in the form of a lie like a false sense of security or peace, as was depicted in the 28th Chapter of Jeremiah, where Hananiah the Prophet of GOD spoke peace and was condemned by Jeremiah the Prophet for falsely attributing his words as GOD’s words. The LORD judged his false words as teaching rebellion unto the people against The LORD, and condemned and killed His own Prophet.

3) evil spirit(s) - Prophesying that is uttered by an evil spirit(s) is subtle, deceptive, manipulative, and the opposite to the character and nature of GOD. It tries to manipulate individuals/churches to make hasty decisions, thereby causing wrong choices that take people or the church out of the will of GOD. It will be tangibly felt as a wrong check by The Holy Spirit inside of our spirit when it is being spoken. A biblical example of this can be seen in the 2nd chapter of Jeremiah where GOD says His prophets “prophesied by Baal” instead of by His Spirit.

C. METHODS - This gift can be manifested in 2 ways through a believer:

1) Corporately - The gift is yielded to The Holy Spirit’s promptings, and operated by His utterance in human languages unto the assembly in a designated ministry. The message will be limited to “Edification, Exhortation, and Comfort” just as Paul defined in 1st Corinthians.

The gift can also be used corporately to an individual. The Encouragement portion of the gift can be used by The Holy Spirit to confirm to a believer what was already revealed to them by The Holy Spirit beforehand, and establish and strengthen their walk with Jesus. This is done before the assembly and judged by the assembly.

2) Personally - This gift can be stepped out in personal faith and operated by the believer’s human spirit for personal edification similar to the gift of tongues. This personal use of the gift by our human spirit can sometimes be wrongly operated in the assembly by a young or misguided believer, and cause much grief and division in the body of Christ, since normally the message is expected to be inspired from The Holy Spirit when uttered in the assembly. It can be one of the most abused gifts of the nine by Spirit-filled believers if it is allowed to be used wrongfully in this sort of manner.



All 9 of the gifts The Holy Spirit has helped me define already, and they and other subjects He has helped me over the years with will be going into a new bible translation I'm making. I have the book of Acts finished up and almost have the book of Hebrews done. I will be starting on the book of Romans next here after I do one more check on Acts.

You're not the only one that GOD utilizes, I just learned a long time ago to not brag about myself before others. It's fleshly.

 

[WindySoli]

this post exists because literally this troll has a similar name and incessant obsession with my work, I honestly thought I was typing in my own that he's actively trying to subvert and stain.
I originally wrote before I caught on

"shhhhs
all you ever do is want to start a fight and i'm not even going to bother to read or address it.

stop littering in my thread."

none of this puffed mans words are read nor do i wish to have any affiliation with him.
I caught a headline that he's on the mere gift of prophecy, and that he doesn't have any of his own to share to prove that he understand adjudging those with either the gift or the office.
everything i needed to say was amened in my first post and these baited ones need not exist.

 

[WindySoli]

oh you old stumbling block
there's is no reason this thread should have ever been in my browser which has been soley attached to my own thread for a week
unless you have a prophecy that you can present we will not discuss prophecy with each other as per the rules in the bible.
be gone with you.

 

[ARBITER01]

shhhhs
all you ever do is want to start a fight and i'm not even going to bother to read or address it.

stop littering in my thread.

It seems you can't figure what is really your thread and what is mine.

 

[ARBITER01]

How do we discern what is really The Holy Spirit speaking through a person, or if that person is speaking instead??

By The discerning of spirits gift,.....



6. THE DISCERNING OF SPIRITS

DEFINITION - The gift of the discerning of spirits reveals the spiritual source of a spiritual manifestation. The basic Greek root word for discern, diakrino, means "to judge through, to see through to the truth, and to rightly evaluate something.” It is the eyes of the heart being operated by The Spirit of Truth for direct eyesight into the spiritual realm to therefore judge and discriminate a spiritual source.

It is the discerning “of spirits” not the gift of discernment. Spiritual discernment allows people to perceive and know the presence of The Spirit of Truth and the spirit of delusion, whilst the gift of discerning of spirits allows people to temporarily “see” and to rightly identify both good and evil spirits, as well as appraise motives from people.

This gift is an absolute requirement for all those used of GOD in the “gifts of healings” ministry. Without it, those who claim to minister healing and deliverance are simply guessing as to whether a demonic stronghold is actually present or not.

B. APPLICATION - The gift can operate in 2 areas through a believer:

1) Sight – In this capacity, it opens one’s eyes to the spiritual realm, revealing the similitude of GOD Himself, or the risen Christ exalted and enthroned. It can reveal angels in their ceaseless worship of and service for The Lord, as well as open up a view into that sphere where satan and his hosts in all their cunning activities are seen. It can also reveal the presence of demonic power possessing or oppressing a person in connection to the operation of the gifts of healings.

2) Insight - In this capacity, it gives the believer revelation into the spiritual disposition of people and their good or evil tendencies. It can lay bare the spirit of man, revealing the pure and guileless, or the crafty and hypocritical. It can discover the strength or weakness in a person, showing whether an individual is a “Peter” upon whom a work can be built, or a vacillating type with a weak and unbelieving nature.

This gift can inspire the church, as well as safeguard her from the wicked, and enable her to choose the best for her ministries.

C. METHODS - The gift is active when visual sight of spirits, good or evil, are revealed by The Holy Spirit through the believer’s eyes. This gift is always operated by the will of The Holy Spirit, and cannot be activated by the believer's will or personal faith.

NOTE: This gift has no association with thought reading or any sort of act or natural talent attributed to the natural mind or will of mankind.



Following the example of Jesus in being filled with The Holy Spirit after His water immersion has it's advantages as a born again Christian. I don't have to try and figure out if GOD was speaking through a person, GOD reveals it to me through this gift.

Does a born again, Spirit-filled Christian need an AI program to discern Spiritual matters?? Not if GOD is already providing the means of understanding through His gifts.